Brembo brakes

[my996duc1]

Has anyone installed a Brembo brake kit yet ???

[Foop]

I never had much luck with SSBC stuff, as far as complete conversions Drum to disc. Not a big fan of the multi layer sheetmetal brakets they send you. seem to get tweaked and make noise. But this should be different it's already four wheel disc. The force 10 calipers up front would be nice!

[vetruck]

I saw a SSS with Brembo's that really looked good. BTW, do our trucks have ss braided lines? It looks like it coming from the master cylender.

[my996duc1]

You can never go wrong with top quality (BREMBO).

I guess I did not buy a Kia Sportage... so why should I buy cheap quality brakes....

I am holding for the BREMBO :D

[Boilermaker-744]

http://www.lingenfelter.com/store/brem-1b1-8036a.html
Fronts only

[Foop]

I am curious in seeing how the Z06 conversion turns out myself. I would love to see Aerospace components release something too. I use there stuff on my S-10. It is great all billet, four piston calipers 13' rotors up front 11.5 in the rear. Check out their website is beautiful stuff.

[DrkPhx]

$3,000.00 plus is f-ing insane for brakes.

[C6 and TBSS]

$3,000.00 plus is f-ing insane for brakes.
it is pricy, but...
I powdercoat brakes for a living. I did a set of stock supra brakes, and 350z brembo brakes today. The supra brakes had to weight at least 3x what the brembos did, and unsprung weight is your enemy.

[1BADSS]

$3,000.00 plus is f-ing insane for brakes.

Then all they do is slow you down..lol:D

[wads ss]

given the size and quality of those brakes, that isnt a terrible deal, though i would rather pay like 4500 and get all four done...we will have to wait for some more options.

[GTPprix]

14.1"? Badass!! Time to get some run flats and ditch the spare since it wont fit lol :D

[fauxSS]

Installed mine the other day in silver.Took me 1.5 hrs including the bleed and puttin away the tools.AWSOME!!!

[Envoy Fan]

Installed mine the other day in silver.Took me 1.5 hrs including the bleed and puttin away the tools.AWSOME!!!

How about a pic.

[my996duc1]

How about a pic.
:iagree:

Cross drilled, slotted ?
Color Calipers ?
How did the brake lines fit ?

[TBSSTony]

Why spend that much? Just for looks? You can do a lot with $4-6K. I was interested in the PowerSlot Plus 14" rotors (rotors only, not a full kit) just for looks. Then paint or powder my calipers. It's not like it's a real performance gain - our trucks stop within a few feet +/- of the Jeep with it's Brembo's.

[NobleForums]

Why spend that much? Just for looks? You can do a lot with $4-6K. I was interested in the PowerSlot Plus 14" rotors (rotors only, not a full kit) just for looks. Then paint or powder my calipers. It's not like it's a real performance gain - our trucks stop within a few feet +/- of the Jeep with it's Brembo's.

As long as your stock brakes have the power to lock the tires, bigger aftermarket brakes won't make you stop any quicker. They just give you repeatability (fade resistance) and feel.

[my996duc1]

As long as your stock brakes have the power to lock the tires, bigger aftermarket brakes won't make you stop any quicker. They just give you repeatability (fade resistance) and feel.
Total BS.... You obvously have no idea what you are talking about :crazy:
GO drive a car with out Brembo do an install and go drive it again.
Huge difference !
The pedal feel will be different, the amount of force required by your foot to stop the vehicle will be alot less, and the stopping distance will be less. Have you done any research, read anywhere about it, or watched a test ?

Why spend that much? Just for looks? You can do a lot with $4-6K. I was interested in the PowerSlot Plus 14" rotors (rotors only, not a full kit) just for looks. Then paint or powder my calipers. It's not like it's a real performance gain - our trucks stop within a few feet +/- of the Jeep with it's Brembo's.

Comparing the Jeep stock Brembos to the Brembo GT kit and saying they are even simialiar is liking grouping the V8 Trailblazers (5.3 & 6.0) and trying to convince me they perform the same. Why not just buy the 5.3 and save the $$$ ? The only difference is the look of the SS, right ? :weird:

I have installed many Brembo kits on all types of vehciles... Chevy,Ford, Porsche, BMW, MBZ, Ferrari (upgrade).....all types Brembo GTR, GTP, GT kits...
The whole point of this thread was to see if anyone has done it yet on the SS. No question Brembo is $$$$ but, once again, we all drive a SS and not a Kia Sportage.

[NobleForums]

Total BS.... You obvously have no idea what you are talking about :crazy:
GO drive a car with out Brembo do an install and go drive it again.
Huge difference !
The pedal feel will be different, the amount of force required by your foot to stop the vehicle will be alot less, and the stopping distance will be less. Have you done any research, read anywhere about it, or watched a test ?
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I have done all of the above. Ask any race car driver, or race car engineer. They'll tell you the same. It's simple physics. As long as the stock brakes have the power to lock the wheels/tires at a given speed, bigger brakes will not decrease stopping distance from that speed. The only difference will be feel and repeatability.

Acceleration (of any kind) is limited to the weakest link.

Say your stock brakes have the power to lock the wheels at 80 mph. The weakest link in this case is the tires. Changing to bigger brakes will allow you to lock the brakes just the same, so you'll get the same braking distance. The only way to shorten it is to increase adhesion.

My daily driver weighs just 2300 lbs, roughly 1/2 of what my Trailblazer SS does, and has much greater aerodynamic downforce. However, it has bigger AND thicker front AND rear brakes than the Trailblazer SS, with much larger multi-piston calipers. They're AP Racing units, a Brembo competitor. The stock tires are also DOT-R semi-slicks, with a bigger total footprint than the Trailblazer SS, giving much MUCH higher levels of grip. Stock braking power is well over 1g, and stock cornering is over 1.2g.

http://www.nobleforums.com/images/onyxm400/brake_duct3.jpg

http://www.nobleforums.com/images/onyxm400/tirestretch.jpg

Will I be changing the brakes? Yep. However, just to improve pedal feel, and to allow for repeated 150+ mph stopping without fade.

Brembos are not magical. They obey the laws of physics, just like AP Racing, Stoptech, Wilwood, Rotora, Bradi, ATE, Balo, Zimmerman, or any others.

[my996duc1]

Say your stock brakes have the power to lock the wheels at 80 mph. The weakest link in this case is the tires. Changing to bigger brakes will allow you to lock the brakes just the same, so you'll get the same braking distance. The only way to shorten it is to increase adhesion.
My daily driver weighs just 2300 lbs, roughly 1/2 of what my Trailblazer SS does, and has much greater aerodynamic downforce. However, it has bigger AND thicker front AND rear brakes than the Trailblazer SS, with much larger multi-piston calipers. They're AP Racing units, a Brembo competitor. The stock tires are also DOT-R semi-slicks, with a bigger total footprint than the Trailblazer SS, giving much MUCH higher levels of grip. Stock braking power is well over 1g, and stock cornering is over 1.2g.
Will I be changing the brakes? Yep. However, just to improve pedal feel, and to allow for repeated 150+ mph stopping without fade.
Brembos are not magical. They obey the laws of physics, just like AP Racing, Stoptech, Wilwood, Rotora, Bradi, ATE, Balo, Zimmerman, or any others.
You are wrong.
It has been tested many times over. Bigger/better brakes (no matter what brand) will stop cars in shorter distances with the same TIRES.
Almost every car made can lock the brakes and slide the tires. Locking the brakes and slidding tires is not the quickest way to stop OR the way to test brakes. (your joking right).

And by the way AP Racing is owned by Brembo.
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[NobleForums]

You are wrong.
It has been tested many times over. Bigger/better brakes (no matter what brand) will stop cars in shorter distances with the same TIRES.
Almost every car made can lock the brakes and slide the tires. Locking the brakes and slidding tires is not the quickest way to stop OR the way to test brakes. (your joking right).

And by the way AP Racing is owned by Brembo.
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Supply even 1 test that shows this.

You are flat out wrong.

http://www.teamscr.com/grmbrakes.html

http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp_brakesystems_upgradeselections.shtml

I never said locking the brakes is the fastest way to stop. I said when the brakes have the power to lock the tires, additional brake size will not decrease stopping distance. There's a difference.

Yes, Brembo SPA owns AP Racing, but runs the companies separately.

[NobleForums]

Edit: I re-read what I wrote and I sound like a bit of a jerk. I don't mean to. I think healthy debate is good on forums.

I do understand how if your stock brakes do not have the torque required to lock the disks, aftermarket brakes can shorten stopping distance. Also, if your stock brakes have excessive front bias (they often do, but it's easily fixable with a brake bias system), correctly biased aftermarket brakes can shorten distance. Well designed aftermarket brakes can make modulation easier, which makes it easier for a driver to stop sooner.

This does not, however, change the fact that it's your tires that do the braking. If your brakes have the power to lock the wheels, the braking limit is controlled by the available grip.

What I think we're doing is we seem to be arguing two different things. You're arguing the practical (effective braking distances are shortened by the ease of modulation of properly designed aftermarket brakes), while I'm arguing the theoretical (if a stock braking system has enough power to lock the wheels, only the tires can affect braking distances).

[Jonnyss]

I think people here are missing the point. Firstly, who do you think would spend thousands on upgraded brakes and then leave the OEM tires on--probably nobody. Go from OEM Goodyears to KDW-2 and you've substantially increased your grip. Thus stock brakes would have a harder time to lock up the wheels.
Secondly, 2 people are driving at 80 mph--and both brake at the same instant, and with exactly the same force. The guy with OEM brakes takes 1.5 seconds to lock up the brakes. The guy with the Brembos takes 0.5 seconds. Who do you think will stop first?
It's not a question of will the OEM brakes lock up the wheels--they are designed to do just that--it's a question of how long will they take to do it. Once you change any parameters on the vehicle such as increasing grip with better tires, the shortcomings of the stock system quickly manifest themselves.

[C6 and TBSS]

not to mention the savings in unsprung weight with brembos (or any aftermarket aluminum calipers) vs. the heavy stock ones.

[1BADSS]

http://www.nobleforums.com/images/onyxm400/brake_duct3.jpg

http://www.nobleforums.com/images/onyxm400/tirestretch.jpg



You have a Fricken Noble?:drool:

[my996duc1]

What I think we're doing is we seem to be arguing two different things. You're arguing the practical (effective braking distances are shortened by the ease of modulation of properly designed aftermarket brakes), while I'm arguing the theoretical (if a stock braking system has enough power to lock the wheels, only the tires can affect braking distances).

I see what you are saying.
I agree that the tires will be a limiting factor.

[vetruck]

I have done all of the above. Ask any race car driver, or race car engineer. They'll tell you the same. It's simple physics. As long as the stock brakes have the power to lock the wheels/tires at a given speed, bigger brakes will not decrease stopping distance from that speed. The only difference will be feel and repeatability.

Acceleration (of any kind) is limited to the weakest link.

Say your stock brakes have the power to lock the wheels at 80 mph. The weakest link in this case is the tires. Changing to bigger brakes will allow you to lock the brakes just the same, so you'll get the same braking distance. The only way to shorten it is to increase adhesion.

My daily driver weighs just 2300 lbs, roughly 1/2 of what my Trailblazer SS does, and has much greater aerodynamic downforce. However, it has bigger AND thicker front AND rear brakes than the Trailblazer SS, with much larger multi-piston calipers. They're AP Racing units, a Brembo competitor. The stock tires are also DOT-R semi-slicks, with a bigger total footprint than the Trailblazer SS, giving much MUCH higher levels of grip. Stock braking power is well over 1g, and stock cornering is over 1.2g.

http://www.nobleforums.com/images/onyxm400/brake_duct3.jpg

http://www.nobleforums.com/images/onyxm400/tirestretch.jpg

Will I be changing the brakes? Yep. However, just to improve pedal feel, and to allow for repeated 150+ mph stopping without fade.

Brembos are not magical. They obey the laws of physics, just like AP Racing, Stoptech, Wilwood, Rotora, Bradi, ATE, Balo, Zimmerman, or any others.

Whatever that car is, it looks bad ass. Did you say that was you daily driver?

[oh20]

Comparing the Jeep stock Brembos to the Brembo GT kit and saying they are even simialiar is liking grouping the V8 Trailblazers (5.3 & 6.0) and trying to convince me they perform the same...
I'm curious as to the differences/advantages between the Jeep Brembo's and the GT kit you mention.

[my996duc1]

I'm curious as to the differences/advantages between the Jeep Brembo's and the GT kit you mention.
Same type of deal like almost all the OE Brembo stuff.. (Porsche, MBZ, Ferrari, Dodge, Jeep, Chevy, ect...)

The Jeep has a 4 piston caliper with a one piece 360mm plain rotor.
THe GT kits come in many sizes up to a 380mm rotor and up to a 8 piston caliper. They also have two piece rotors that are either cross-drilled or slotted. Big wieght savings...

Here is a direct cut and paste blurb from Brembo on the GT kits two piece rotors...

The floating disc mounting system, due to the aluminium alloy hat, reduces the “unsprung” weight for better handling and reduces heat-related stress: the mounting system is designed to allow a specific amount of float in both radial and axial directions. Brembo has engineered special springs that are used on every other fastener in order to slightly preload the assembly.

I am not sure which caliper is used on the Jeep so I am not going to pretend to know.
The GT kits can come with many different calipers, all different piston sizes and configurations.

[1BADSS]

Whatever that car is, it looks bad ass. Did you say that was you daily driver?

Totally bad ass.
http://wawawoum.images2.free.fr/images/uk/noble/2003_m12_gto-3r_3.jpg

[ugotmale2day]

:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: x 5 thousand, lol.

[fauxSS]

Cross drilled lines went in no problem Silver calipers.Lookin a camera this weeekend

[NobleForums]

Whatever that car is, it looks bad ass. Did you say that was you daily driver?

Well, it was a daily driver. However, itt's been in the shop for awhile getting more power (replacing the stock twin turbos with bigger ones, new fuel management, upgraded tranny, new injectors, fuel pump, etc). I'm aiming to get comfortably under the 4 lbs per hp level (roughly 600-700hp)... think roughly a Trailblazer SS with 1200+hp engine in the rear and 2x the tire width. Unfortunately, pretty much everything for that car must be custom made, so it takes a long time to get stuff made and put on. :(

Here are a few picts of it:

http://www.nobleforums.com/showthread.php?t=337

In terms of brakes, I doubt I'll do much to it. Slotted AP disks (instead of the stock crossdrilled), some more motorsport oriented pads, and some Castrol SRF fluid (more expensive than Motul, but may as well go for the best). That's pretty much it.

[vetruck]

Wow, that is a sweet car, especially your black one :yes: . Where is it made? Are they pretty exotic or just not real common in the US? Pricey? The upgrades are going to make that thing insane :crazy:

[1BADSS]

Wow, that is a sweet car, especially your black one :yes: . Where is it made? Are they pretty exotic or just not real common in the US? Pricey? The upgrades are going to make that thing insane :crazy:

Thing is with that power they only weigh around 2300 pounds.I believe you can't buy them with a motor. You buy them overseas have them shipped here and some company that Noble deals with here can put the motor and everything in them. I've read up on them long time ago and don't know the exact details, but I'm pretty sure it has more performance then most exotics. Around a $100000.00 I think too when all said and done.
Awesome car and you will never see too many around. It's a car built for the performance enthusiast. With the 425HP 6 cyl twin turbo motor they do 0-60 on 3.5 seconds.0-100 8.0 seconds, Top speed 185 MPH

[NobleForums]

They're fun little cars. Honestly, they're built more for the track then the drag strip.

The lower end one, the M12 GTO-3R (with 360 hp, lower end shocks and springs, no front sway bar, and DOT tires) pulls > 1.16g cornering. Car & Driver tested it at 3.3 seconds 0-60.

The M400 was over 4 seconds faster than the Ford GT supercar around a 1.7 mile track. Pretty huge difference for a tiny track:

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/5443/britainsbestdriverscar20050252.jpg

They're British vehicles, but the chassis is manufactured in South Africa. In the US, people order the rolling chassis from Ohio, then the suggested engine from Texas.

The M400 starts at about $87-90k or so (and goes up from there depending on options), and the M12 GTO-3R is about $11k less.

[vetruck]

That is a hell of a ride you have there, almost scarry with that amt. of power :D Thanks for all the info too, now I can say I learned something new today :cool: OK, what were we talking about :undecided , oh yes brakes...

[PbFut]

I was putting around Spring Mountain Raceway about a month ago. It was an informal weekend tracking event. The owner of a Nobel was having a difficult time putting the power to the track. He was an inexperience track driver, but it looked to me, the car was a real handful to manage.

[NobleForums]

Yeah, he probably had an M12 GTO-3R. The Noble really shouldn't be on DOT tires like the Bridgestone Potenza Pole Position S-03. You need DOT-R semi-slicks, like the ones that come on the M400. There's just way too much power to weight for 265mm wide DOT tires to handle.

[matts]

there's a M12 running around here, but i haven't seen it in a while. i think it's the same guy that has a ferrari, lambo, C6Z06, etc. he's super loaded lol

[tber]

Does Baer make a kit that fits the TB, they should be about half price compared to the Brembo's

[my996duc1]

Does Baer make a kit that fits the TB, they should be about half price compared to the Brembo's

I love it when people quote "price" and not quality.
Just like saying you can buy car stereo speakers at K-Mart for half the price of buying a set of speakers at a car audio shop.....
Thanks but no thanks. I vote quality over price.
I am sure all brands of brakes are of "good" quality but then again I am sure some are "better" than others.

To each his own.......:)

[ADM PERFORMANCE]

I love it when people quote "price" and not quality.
Just like saying you can buy car stereo speakers at K-Mart for half the price of buying a set of speakers at a car audio shop.....
Thanks but no thanks. I vote quality over price.
I am sure all brands of brakes are of "good" quality but then again I am sure some are "better" than others.

To each his own.......:)


Wow,Finally someone who lives life like me!:yes: :yes: