View Full Version : No Maggie Kit for the TBSS
Supercoolin
07-09-2006, 12:45 PM
I just had breakfast with my best friend Jim, we ordered and picked up our trucks from the same dealer, same day. He went to CA last week and stopped by Magnacharger to offer to pay them to build a custom unit for his TBSS. They had already done it on two different TBSS's, one on the Radix 2500 intercooled and one on the Radix 1500 intercooled. Both truck ran into detonation problems when using pump premium fuels. The had to tune so rich and pull so much timming out that they were only getting 75-80hp gains and killing the fuel milage. So they won't be offering a kit for the truck.
The only way that they would work with Jimmy is if he installed 72cc heads and a cam with tighter lobe centers than stock to get the cylinder pressures down. He would have to install the Radix 2500 intercooled kit himself and they would provide a tune if he trailers it to their shop. They told him that with the static compression drop from the heads, not to expect more than 100hp gain. I don't know if $9k to $10k is worth 100hp unless you are just wanting to be able to claim you have a blown LS2 in your TBSS.
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
ugotmale2day
07-09-2006, 12:50 PM
Man NORCAL needs to read this thread, lol.
VTODD
07-09-2006, 01:03 PM
well, that is bad news!
why the detonation thought? i cant seem to figure out what the problem is. the weight cant be this big of an issue i wouldnt think. the SSS have high compression and they are more heavy than us. granted is a lq9, but the ls2 application has blowers on several vehicles. i am trying to figure out why there is such a big tuning problem with the TBSS.......
at this point, i just hope my cam works reasonably....
214 .559 intake w/ 3710 lobes
220 .564 exhaust w/ 3713 lobes
ICL 109
ECL 114
LSA 111.5
-6 overlap and +2 advance ground in
todd
Hmmm I was just at the goodguys show in Columbus, Ohio yesterday and talked to two different reps in the Magnacharger booth. They said the SSR model worked and all they need to do was reroute the air intake an finish the tune. He told me they were about 45 days out from a release to the public!
Supercoolin
07-09-2006, 02:06 PM
Hmmm I was just at the goodguys show in Columbus, Ohio yesterday and talked to two different reps in the Magnacharger booth. They said the SSR model worked and all they need to do was reroute the air intake an finish the tune. He told me they were about 45 days out from a release to the public!
Yes that is quite odd. Especially if they said they where going to use the SSR kit. The drive shaft and pulley would be so close to the TBSS fan and radiator that it would be impossible to get to the CAI tube past it without either removing the fan to run it in front or remove the hood to run it over. The Truck/SUV Radix kit is the only one that does not use the drive shaft and pulley which blocks the route to get the CAI over to the air filter. Did you get the names of the guys from MagnaCharger? I talked to my friend Jimmy and he is going to call them Monday to find out why he was told such a different story than you were. I am going to call Monday too and find out why you were told that a kit was 45 days from public release.
They also told Jimmy that the requests for a TBSS system vs a SSR system is three to one. They have recieved over a thousand inquiries for the TBSS and believe thay could sell over a 100 kits is the first 30 days, so it is not an issue of demand, it is an issue of making it work on the engine as it comes from the factory witout have to change cams and heads/pistons to make it reliable.
:mad: :mad: :confused: :confused:
PediDr2
07-09-2006, 04:31 PM
I just had breakfast with my best friend Jim, we ordered and picked up our trucks from the same dealer, same day. He went to CA last week and stopped by Magnacharger to offer to pay them to build a custom unit for his TBSS. They had already done it on two different TBSS's, one on the Radix 2500 intercooled and one on the Radix 1500 intercooled. Both truck ran into detonation problems when using pump premium fuels. The had to tune so rich and pull so much timming out that they were only getting 75-80hp gains and killing the fuel milage. So they won't be offering a kit for the truck.
The only way that they would work with Jimmy is if he installed 72cc heads and a cam with tighter lobe centers than stock to get the cylinder pressures down. He would have to install the Radix 2500 intercooled kit himself and they would provide a tune if he trailers it to their shop. They told him that with the static compression drop from the heads, not to expect more than 100hp gain. I don't know if $9k to $10k is worth 100hp unless you are just wanting to be able to claim you have a blown LS2 in your TBSS.
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
I find this hard to understand if they can do kits for the other LS1-2 lineup?
What makes our LS2 have these problems? Only difference is the intake?
02redhawk
07-09-2006, 04:38 PM
well, that is bad news!
why the detonation thought? i cant seem to figure out what the problem is. the weight cant be this big of an issue i wouldnt think. the SSS have high compression and they are more heavy than us. granted is a lq9, but the ls2 application has blowers on several vehicles. i am trying to figure out why there is such a big tuning problem with the TBSS.......
at this point, i just hope my cam works reasonably....
214 .559 intake w/ 3710 lobes
220 .564 exhaust w/ 3713 lobes
ICL 109
ECL 114
LSA 111.5
-6 overlap and +2 advance ground in
todd
Don't wanna hijack this thread, but Todd I hope you are still looking into the DCR issues with this! The highest I've seen anyone successfully run is an 8.7 DCR on 93-octane, and that was with .040" gaskets and very careful tuning... With the calculated 8.9 DCR on yours (and a bigger quench at .054"), nobody wants to see your SS go down due to it. :worried: Offing the cam and losing ~$50-100 on it is far better than scorching the LS2.
VTODD
07-09-2006, 04:50 PM
Don't wanna hijack this thread, but Todd I hope you are still looking into the DCR issues with this! The highest I've seen anyone successfully run is an 8.7 DCR on 93-octane, and that was with .040" gaskets and very careful tuning... With the calculated 8.9 DCR on yours (and a bigger quench at .054"), nobody wants to see your SS go down due to it. :worried: Offing the cam and losing ~$50-100 on it is far better than scorching the LS2.
i did look into this. the gentleman who is tuning for the cam, and who actually designed the cam assures me that it will work just fine. he tells me all of his custom cams for the LS2's he tunes are from 8.5 - 9.0 dynamic compression. when you brought this up, i too was concerned. i immediatly called the designer and talked, and he is very confident. thanks for the concern though red, and i really hope you are wrong on this one! :)
todd
Bill Steiskal- performance parts manager
Yes that is quite odd. Especially if they said they where going to use the SSR kit. The drive shaft and pulley would be so close to the TBSS fan and radiator that it would be impossible to get to the CAI tube past it without either removing the fan to run it in front or remove the hood to run it over. The Truck/SUV Radix kit is the only one that does not use the drive shaft and pulley which blocks the route to get the CAI over to the air filter. Did you get the names of the guys from MagnaCharger? I talked to my friend Jimmy and he is going to call them Monday to find out why he was told such a different story than you were. I am going to call Monday too and find out why you were told that a kit was 45 days from public release.
They also told Jimmy that the requests for a TBSS system vs a SSR system is three to one. They have recieved over a thousand inquiries for the TBSS and believe thay could sell over a 100 kits is the first 30 days, so it is not an issue of demand, it is an issue of making it work on the engine as it comes from the factory witout have to change cams and heads/pistons to make it reliable.
:mad: :mad: :confused: :confused:
This does not mean that they would use it as a whole unit. the way he talked it sounded like it would be a rear inlet type similar to the silverado, in which an elbow comes from the rear of the blower housing around to the Pass side where it bolts to the throttle body. but I don't think there is enough room there either. I sent them an e-mail today. He said he would know more once he got back to their shop. I asked him if the were basing the kit off of the SSR kit and he response was "essentially." Take that for what it's worth. maybe he just ment that was the starting point etc. Or that they are using the intercooler portion and blower housing from the SSr and everything else was going to be model specific? It will be interesting to find out because i am going to annoy the hell out of him until I get an answer.
Vader
07-10-2006, 12:17 AM
I'm sure they will make it work in time. As more of these trucks get on the road and demand increases, you'll see that they'll find a magical solution. If they don't do it, maybe procharger will. :)The LS2 in the TBSS is really no different than any other LS2. Heat was probably the biggest prob. I noticed after a drive the cold air box gets hot as hell!:eek:
i Agree if demand continues they won't be able to leave that money on the table like that
Supercoolin
07-10-2006, 02:43 PM
This does not mean that they would use it as a whole unit. the way he talked it sounded like it would be a rear inlet type similar to the silverado, in which an elbow comes from the rear of the blower housing around to the Pass side where it bolts to the throttle body. but I don't think there is enough room there either. I sent them an e-mail today. He said he would know more once he got back to their shop. I asked him if the were basing the kit off of the SSR kit and he response was "essentially." Take that for what it's worth. maybe he just ment that was the starting point etc. Or that they are using the intercooler portion and blower housing from the SSr and everything else was going to be model specific? It will be interesting to find out because i am going to annoy the hell out of him until I get an answer.
I just got off the phone with Randy @ Magnacharger and he said they had another truck in but haven't done any more with it. He didn't believe that they would have anything specific in the near future, if at all. He didn't sound very optimistic that they would actually produce a kit for the truck, there is a clearance issue with the cowl and the blower housing height.:( :( :(
PediDr2
07-10-2006, 02:52 PM
I just got off the phone with Randy @ Magnacharger and he said they had another truck in but haven't done any more with it. He didn't believe that they would have anything specific in the near future, if at all. He didn't sound very optimistic that they would actually produce a kit for the truck, there is a clearance issue with the cowl and the blower housing height.:( :( :(
Who wants to start calling/bugging Kenne Bell?
I sent them an email before I picked the truck up and the response was they were working on a superchager and should have it done in the near future. (What is near, I know...)
Supercoolin
07-10-2006, 07:15 PM
i Agree if demand continues they won't be able to leave that money on the table like that
After I got off the phone with Randy @ Magnacharger I started thinking about your post and what system would be the closest to working on the TBSS. That would be the SSR system accept the CAI tube would not fit because the drive is to close to the fan. Then I remembered the ADM Performance electric fan upgrade. Install the electric fan conversion and not only could you now route the CAI back to the stock filter, by removing the stock fan shroud, you might be able to adapt the SSR CAI box to the TBSS.
Being said, I called a good friend that has a SSR with a Maggie about noon and we just got finished measuring the front and back of the supercharger and all you will have to do is remove a little insulation from the hood and it fits. I have my ADM Performance fan conversion coming and the SSR kit from Magnacharger is 1 to 2 weeks backordered. I am going to order some Phase 3 heads from Patriot and I am waiting for Danny @ Crower to give me some grind choices for a custom blower cam. I will post pictures as soon as I get it and start the installation. Andy at ADM Performance will give me a custom tune for the TBSS w/ the Maggie. And if it don't fit the first time I will buy a big hammer.
ScarabEpic22
07-11-2006, 03:36 AM
After I got off the phone with Randy @ Magnacharger I started thinking about your post and what system would be the closest to working on the TBSS. That would be the SSR system accept the CAI tube would not fit because the drive is to close to the fan. Then I remembered the ADM Performance electric fan upgrade. Install the electric fan conversion and not only could you now route the CAI back to the stock filter, by removing the stock fan shroud, you might be able to adapt the SSR CAI box to the TBSS.
Being said, I called a good friend that has a SSR with a Maggie about noon and we just got finished measuring the front and back of the supercharger and all you will have to do is remove a little insulation from the hood and it fits. I have my ADM Performance fan conversion coming and the SSR kit from Magnacharger is 1 to 2 weeks backordered. I am going to order some Phase 3 heads from Patriot and I am waiting for Danny @ Crower to give me some grind choices for a custom blower cam. I will post pictures as soon as I get it and start the installation. Andy at ADM Performance will give me a custom tune for the TBSS w/ the Maggie. And if it don't fit the first time I will buy a big hammer.
DUDE!!! You will be a hero if you can get the entire blower to fit with those minor mods!! Remember that under the SS airbox is the windshield wiper fluid resovior, but that can be relocated if its an issue.
I cant wait to see pics and the dyno charts. The after is going to be crazy!!!:drool: :drool: :drool:
Ohh, is your SS AWD or 2WD?
2005SSR6Speed
07-11-2006, 01:43 PM
There is no word about the kits not working, dont know who started this. Hold tight and be patient they have a TBSS in and being used to develope the kits right now.
Foopenhiemer,
I have a TBSS and we will be putting one on my rig as soon as we can. I'll
keep you informed of how the progress goes.
Bob Roese
Sales and Marketing Manager
Magnuson Products
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ScarabEpic22
07-11-2006, 07:07 PM
Tell him about the site so he can keep us all updated on it!:yes: