Roadie's Rock Sliders

[the roadie]

Hmmmmm, hours later than we figured, so the last pics are in the dark and relatively lame, the world's first Envoy with rock sliders is now driving around. Well, there might be another, but *I* don't know about it. :D

Primer will happen quickly. Herculiner will probably have to wait until after I get back from the Sierras in two weeks.

Material: 2" 0.25" wall square tubing. 1.5" 0.125" wall round tubing. Custom fabbed by Dallas Nunn of Stinkyfab - http://www.stinkyfab.com/

Daylight pics in the morning.

http://www.roadie.org/rock1.jpg

http://www.roadie.org/rock2.jpg

http://www.roadie.org/rock3.jpg

http://www.roadie.org/rock4.jpg

http://www.roadie.org/rock5.jpg

http://www.roadie.org/rock6.jpg

http://www.roadie.org/rock7.jpg

http://www.roadie.org/rock8.jpg

[OurZoo]

I wanna see 'em in action Roadie! :D

[ScarabEpic22]

Very nice roadie!!

Did you have to drill your own holes in the frame, or are there holes there? Im thinking you had to drill them, but not sure.

Also, did you have to mod any part of the frame/body/etc to get clearance for them?

They look awesome, now you can slid your Voy on some rocks!!



BTW, nice scratch in the last pic. Maybe some detailing later on???

[the roadie]

Did you have to drill your own holes in the frame, or are there holes there? Im thinking you had to drill them, but not sure.Nope. I'm fully committed. They're welded on. The flanges Dallas used were pre-drilled as an option for bolting, but they're a lot stronger welded. I'm going to use the HiLift jack tomorrow to lift the truck by the slider and measure the deflection. I figure 1/4". Faster to rotate tires when you can get a side up in the air instead of just one tire. :yes: :eek: Also, did you have to mod any part of the frame/body/etc to get clearance for them?Nope. Took off the plastic rocker panel protectors last Spring. No sheet metal mods.They look awesome, now you can slid your Voy on some rocks!! BTW, nice scratch in the last pic. Maybe some detailing later on???That's a surface scratch from some brush on a narrow trail. I tried buffing on other scratches, and it's mostly sap deposits, not into the paint. Got to spend an hour someday.

I wanna see 'em in action Roadie! :DGotta wait until Borrego cools off in 4-6 weeks to go to the desert. Going to Sequoia National forest and King's Canyon on Friday for a week. Still not ready for the Rubicon. Looking to ride shotgun sometime in the desert?

[ghoster]

Whats the likely hood of that slider getting forced up into the sheet metal? I know it looks really strong with the way its welded, just wondering how much force is too much? I assume it will easily take the weight of the vehicle, but will it take getting the wieght of the vehicle slammed on to it? Does that make sense? Its awefully late here.:D

[dntnvme]

I wanna see 'em in action Roadie! :D

I would love to see it in action :yes:

[blktbz]

Nice Running Boards:p ....just kidding, very cool, now lets see em in action!

[itstrick]

very nice dude, very nice

[FattyTBEXT]

Nice Running Boards:p ....just kidding, very cool, now lets see em in action!

Yeah... they look a lot like nerf bars to me. :raspberry

roadie = "they're not nerf bars!" :hissy:

[the roadie]

Whats the likely hood of that slider getting forced up into the sheet metal?...but will it take getting the wieght of the vehicle slammed on to it?Excellent question, and one I researched a lot. Dallas uses the same design on full-size Broncos. I've seen as many as four support bars on some bolted-on sliders on H2s. But if you drive as I do, pretty deliberately, trying to pick the best line within an inch or two, I shouldn't be slamming down. You can drive down the far side of a rock in a controlled way.

And if the entire bar gets bent up into the sheet metal, it's done its job and sacrificed itself to protect the rockers and door panels. At least it would touch in a lot of places at once and spread the impact instead of leaving an impression of the rock in the vehicle. :p

On the Coyote Canyon trail, I'd use them more for a sideways force, to pivot around a tall rock.

Now to replace the composite toy skid plates with real metal to protect the gas tank and transfer case. ;)

Yeah... they look a lot like nerf bars to me. :raspberry Hehe. Finally found a good comeback to the Weiner Dog raspberry, I see. :D
roadie = "they're not nerf bars!" :hissy:Har. Nerf bars aren't made with 0.25" wall tubing welded to the frame you can jack the car up with. ;)

[ieatglue]

roadie = "they're not nerf bars!" :hissy:

:rotfl:


Awesome work dude!! those look sweet. All you need now is a video of them in action :D

[FattyTBEXT]

Finally found a good comeback to the Weiner Dog raspberry, I see. :D

Nerf bars aren't made with 0.25" wall tubing welded to the frame you can jack the car up with. ;)

Yes, I'm jealous. I'll admit it. I need a better job so I can buy the sliders and BDS kit. :undecided

[Blulytes]

Looks good...

[the roadie]

Daylight pics:

http://www.roadie.org/rock9.jpg

http://www.roadie.org/rock10.jpg

Normal clearance to sheet metal = 1/2"
Jacking up to take weight off both wheels - deflection = 1/4"
Not a worry so far. Rubbed WD40 on 'em to slow down the rust while I get to the finishing. The shimming I had to do on the floor jack shows how much a HiLift jack is necessary for lifted vehicles. But I also have a nice place to stand now to get to the roof rack and wash the windshield. :woohoo:
http://www.roadie.org/rock11.jpg

[blktbz]

http://www.roadie.org/rock11.jpg
i think you should make it that high:yes: it would look awesome...nice running boards:p

[the roadie]

i think you should make it that high:yes:Tell me how, or sell me a kit. :D

[dntnvme]

Awesome job roadie, I must say I like the look of those. In my opinion I think you just made the next stage running boards for the TV's :yes: If they were powder coated or painted to match you'ld have a winner :D

[nheidmann]

how much did those bad boys run you? I likey. I have a pro welder in my neighborhood so do you think he would be able to weld me up somehing likethat? what are the specs as far as diameter and guaging... I will most likely rhino them if i can get some pretty cheap...

[blktbz]

i think you should make it that high:yes:

Tell me how, or sell me a kit. :D
well ya see, you get a few 2x4's and some duct tape lol....

[ieatglue]

well ya see, you get a few 2x4's and some duct tape lol....

cut the 2x4's into some squares, wedge them in the springs and duct tape them into place :rotfl:

[blktbz]

cut the 2x4's into some squares, wedge them in the springs and duct tape them into place :rotfl:
:thumbsup: you got it! my custom made kits start at $250..any takers?

[jmlock]

I must concur, very nice.

[the roadie]

cut the 2x4's into some squares, wedge them in the springs and duct tape them into place :rotfl:I KNEW the Glue would come up with the budget kit. Yay Glue! :woot: :hail:

[the roadie]

how much did those bad boys run you? I likey. I have a pro welder in my neighborhood so do you think he would be able to weld me up somehing likethat? what are the specs as far as diameter and guaging... I will most likely rhino them if i can get some pretty cheap...$350 and I consider it a bargain, considering the cost of living and renting a shop in southern CA. Took Dallas about 6 hours, including a run to the supply yard for the square tubing. The round was in stock already because he uses it for custom roll cages and exoskeletons. No, I'm not getting an exoskeleton next no matter how much Glue wants to see me in one. :D

I think they're 72" overall long. I wanted the side tubes a little more spaced out than typical because it's also a step to get to the windshield and roof rack.

Square tube is 2", 0.188" wall thickness (I was wrong when I said 0.25.) Round tubes are all 1.5" dia., 0.120" thickness. I picked them up a few times, and estimate 45 pounds each. Any pro welder/fabricator can hack these out if they also have a tube bender - if they also want to grind off the paint on the frame and install them. A removable installation would have involved a lot of difficult drilling and more billable time. I think Dallas would be able to clone these for anybody who wants to get them installed locally. Shipping would be the issue of raising cost. But since nobody is making a catalog product for us - custom fabrication is the ONLY way to go.

Oh, and very important! Remove the positive side of the battery before anybody does arc welding on your vehicle!

[LMMJ]

well ya see, you get a few 2x4's and some duct tape lol....

good way to make a body lift :x

[blak4x4]

Roadie those r gr8!!!! do you know the angle at the end of the connectors??? thats been the problem i'm runnin into.:mad: PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ tell me thyre not a simpl45 cuz i been tryin to get the angle all fancy to match just right

[the roadie]

Roadie those r gr8!!!! do you know the angle at the end of the connectors??? thats been the problem i'm runnin into.:mad:I will try to measure that tonight at home where I have a tool. Since they were custom fit and I got to approve every step of the process (and Dallas didn't even charge me extra for the privilege), it wasn't done on CAD first. You could always mock it up with cardboard or foam-core board. I do that a lot for prototypes at work, and foam-core is also a fine substrate to lay up fiberglass.

[blak4x4]

thanx, my prob is all my stuff is done at work, and it is a qtr mile walk back and forth to truck. so any info you could give me will be greatly appreciated:D

[kendico]

The sliders look great! :thumbsup:

Now, how about that fabricated front bumper! :D

[ghoster]

Wow. They seem to hold the weight well with the jack! Did you actually get both front and rear tires off the ground?? Skid plates next, and you are really set up. It would be awesome to get a couple more inches of lift, but you really are doing well working with what ya go!!:cool:

[the roadie]

Wow. They seem to hold the weight well with the jack! Did you actually get both front and rear tires off the ground??The front was off. The rear was unweighted, but the jack ran out of travel, even with 7 inches of shimming. I really wanted to use the HiLift jack since that's what the thing was made for, but ran out of time before I had to get to work. Later. Using the HiLift jack in that position instead of a jack under the vehicle is exactly what is done to get the tires lifted to get out of a mud stuck by piling stuff underneath. Or to escape being high-centered.

I'm going to take a few weeks off of modding in order to ENJOY the new ground clearance I have and actually use it. I might be out of touch for a week starting Friday but the pics will be worth it, I guarantee.

[the roadie]

The sliders look great! :thumbsup:
Now, how about that fabricated front bumper! :D Thanks for the encouragement. It helps keep me focused on the real agenda, which is to spend my money to make sure everybody gets entertained vicariously. :cool: I'm sure lots of folks are thinking "I'm never going to put my trailvoy in harm's way and risk a scratch, but I'm glad somebody's doing it."

[StvsDenaliXL]

the rockers look really nice roadie:thumbsup: , you never cease to amaze me:D ...keep up the hard work, I'm anxious to see them in action and to see go on the Rubicon, that will really be sweet;)

[ieatglue]

No, I'm not getting an exoskeleton next no matter how much Glue wants to see me in one. :D


an exo what :crazy: :D :rotfl:

[the roadie]

an exo what :crazy: :D :rotfl:
Like this:
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/2303000-2303999/2303256_25_full.jpg

[Sparty]

Like this:...........

Come on, you gonna let those jeepers show you up?!?

You could also use it to play bumper cars when someone pisses you off!!

[the roadie]

Come on, you gonna let those jeepers show you up?!?You gotta know when to hold 'em, and know when to fold 'em...:suicide:

[ieatglue]

Yeah i know what that is lol. I hang around on www.pirate4x4.com a lot LOL those crawlers are sweet :drool: :drool:

[the roadie]

Four of the most miserable hours I've ever spent on the car. 45 minutes with steel wool and ScotchBrite getting the rust patina off, 15 minutes with highly volatile, flammable, and brain-rotting Xylene solvent to prepare the surface, then three hours painting two coats of black Herculiner ($30 a quart - about 2/3 used on this project.) on the rocker panels and sliders. Icky, crappy, drippy work. But being black, it does make the Roadiemobile look a bit more lifted than it really is. Ground clearance under their lowest point is about 13".

http://www.roadie.org/Slider1.jpg

http://www.roadie.org/Slider2.jpg

http://www.roadie.org/Slider3.jpg

http://www.roadie.org/Slider4.jpg

[ieatglue]

That's time well spent! It looks like a million bucks!! :hail:

Maybe you could herculiner the rims :D

[the roadie]

Maybe you could herculiner the rims :DHerculined rims would get me thrown off the forum as an insult to the marque. :o Actually, after I get the wheel liners fastened down front and rear, I plan to Herculine them. Still dreaming of Mojave Teflons. :thumbsup:
http://www.4wheelparts.com/4wp/images/imagebank/americanracing/ar_3981_b.jpg

[Dacomputernerd]

Looks sweet roadie! :yes:

[geneelder]

Actually, 4WParts has the American Racing Mojave Beadlocks in 6X5 bolt part in a 17"X8" rim.

17x8 6x5
ARE1082-7838
$190.99$180.99 Add to Wish List (http://www.4wheelparts.com/4wp/products/productLine.asp?cat=WHE&prodline=3956&catName=WHEELS&man=ARE#)


http://www.4wheelparts.com/4wp/images/imagebank/americanracing/1082_c.jpg

[the roadie]

Actually, 4WParts has the American Racing Mojave Beadlocks in 6X5 bolt part in a 17"X8" rim. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: Beautiful wheel. If only it came in black. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
More poking around, and I see Pro Comp now has this 8089 model in 17-8 *and* 17-9 sizes in our bolt pattern. Maybe the world is looking up for Trailvoy wheel mods:

http://www.4wheelparts.com/4wp/images/imagebank/xtremealloys/PXA_8089x_b.jpg

[geneelder]

Roadie the 8089 has been out for over 6 months. I know because i have it as my avitar currently. I believe the Mojave beadlock is a much better rim though. If only we knew the specs on backspacing, we may be able to measure for 33"s without all the cutting, or wheel spacers.

[HOTRODSURFER]

sweet running boards

[the roadie]

Roadie the 8089 has been out for over 6 months. I know because i have it as my avitar currently. My goodness, I can be soooo unobservant sometimes! :o :o :o I believe the Mojave beadlock is a much better rim though. If only we knew the specs on backspacing, we may be able to measure for 33"s without all the cutting, or wheel spacers.I think even if we got to choose the optimum backspacing to avoid the need for spacers, we'd still have a lot of cutting to do. The steering axis is fixed, backspacing can move the tire in and out a bit, but the corners of the tire still have to trace out an arc when they turn, and they're still going to whack the wheel liners. It's been clear for a while that 33's are the minimum to reasonably run the Rubicon, so now I'm waiting for AlecG to be my pathfinder and put his on.

[AlekG]

My goodness, I can be soooo unobservant sometimes! :o :o :o I think even if we got to choose the optimum backspacing to avoid the need for spacers, we'd still have a lot of cutting to do. The steering axis is fixed, backspacing can move the tire in and out a bit, but the corners of the tire still have to trace out an arc when they turn, and they're still going to whack the wheel liners. It's been clear for a while that 33's are the minimum to reasonably run the Rubicon, so now I'm waiting for AlecG to be my pathfinder and put his on.

Well, after a :crazy: week I am *almost* happy with the new set of "offroad" wheels and tires. For pictures, check out my gallery.

I ended up having to cut more than I expected, including some metal. The metal however is on the inside of the wheel well so not really noticeable.

I am off to Canadian Tire to get some stuff for the finishing touches. I have lots of detailed pictures so I will find a place to post them and get back to everybody. Hopefully tomorrow night ...

AG5

[the roadie]

Well, after a :crazy: week I am *almost* happy with the new set of "offroad" wheels and tires. For pictures, check out my gallery.Beadlock rings rock! I think you're right to use spacers that go to 6X5.5, to get a bigger choice of wheels. Powder coating also rocks!

Suggest you start a new thread of your own now. This set of mods deserves to be showcased like the unique look that it is. Not subsidiary to one of mine. A BIG congratulations! The Roadie salutes you!!! :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[AlekG]

:thx very much Roadie, I appreciate the good words.

Actually, these are not true beadlock rims as I was not ready to go that far ... they are simulated beadlock. One of the best looking simulated beadlock rims however, IMHO.

I've got all my pictures together so I will start a new thread with insights into getting 33" tires to work (hopefully tonight).

AG

[the roadie]

Actually, these are not true beadlock rims as I was not ready to go that far ... they are simulated beadlock. One of the best looking simulated beadlock rims however, IMHO.Oh, I know that. I figured if I really, really wanted street-legal beadlocks, the Staun Internal Beadlocks were the optimum solution. Locks both beads, allows run-flat, and can even help stability after an at-speed blowout. http://www.staunproducts.com/beadlock.php
http://www.staunproducts.com/images/2_tyres.jpg
I've got all my pictures together so I will start a new thread with insights into getting 33" tires to work (hopefully tonight).
Yes, please. How else can I see how hard it is to go to 35's without seeing more about your 33's?:eek: [kidding!]

[EvilTwin v2]

Actually, 4WParts has the American Racing Mojave Beadlocks in 6X5 bolt part in a 17"X8" rim.

17x8 6x5
ARE1082-7838
$190.99$180.99 Add to Wish List (http://www.4wheelparts.com/4wp/products/productLine.asp?cat=WHE&prodline=3956&catName=WHEELS&man=ARE#)


http://www.4wheelparts.com/4wp/images/imagebank/americanracing/1082_c.jpg

I just got off of the phone with 4 Wheel Parts. That is a typo on their site. Should have read 6x5.5. Those wheels don't exist in 6x5. :no:

[the roadie]

I just got off of the phone with 4 Wheel Parts. That is a typo on their site. Should have read 6x5.5. Those wheels don't exist in 6x5. :no:Now I understand why they weren't on AR's web site in 6X5. Thanks for following that up, even if it does dash one of my hopes.

[EvilTwin v2]

Now I understand why they weren't on AR's web site in 6X5. Thanks for following that up, even if it does dash one of my hopes.

Well, if you don't mind the look (or lack of it) of steelies, you might be able to get a set custom built. National Tire and Wheel (www.ntwonline.com (http://www.ntwonline.com)) is a local company...actually, there are 3 related businesses that are owned by the same family (National Tire, Wheeling Tire, and Eaton Wheel). I'm trying to get ahold of the Eaton Wheel guys to see if they can custom build me a set in 6x5. They offer 17" sizes in black steelies... http://www.ntwonline.com/acb/showdetl.cfm?&DID=48&Product_ID=1234&CATID=11... for $73.95. It may not be pretty, but it may be a possibility for a wheel that we might be able to get an appropriate backspacing in which we might not need additional spacers.

I'll report more here if I find anything out.

On a related note, you might be able to find a better equipped sompany that can custom cut a set of wheels...maybe even bead locks!!!

[the roadie]

Well, if you don't mind the look (or lack of it) of steelies, you might be able to get a set custom built.....It may not be pretty, but it may be a possibility for a wheel that we might be able to get an appropriate backspacing in which we might not need additional spacers.I had found that site, thanks for mentioning it here. Since I already had my spacers, I wasn't really tempted, but for anybody coming into this project for the first time, a custom steelie that includes the right backspacing could avoid $75 spacers and essentially pay for themselves. Then you can have your OEM rims and tires, and swap them back on when you need better mileage, or don't want the steelie look.
On a related note, you might be able to find a better equipped sompany that can custom cut a set of wheels...maybe even bead locks!!!I've mentioned this a couple of times, but the fake bead lock ring look is actually enough for me, if I upgrade rims. There have only been a couple of trails where being aired down might have helped traction, but the reduction in ground clearance for the soft tires would have been FAR too high a price to pay. So I had to stop and stack rocks because of a front tire spinning in the air, a place where a front locker would also have helped. Soft, soft sand is another place where airing down could help, but last weekend, three of us went through some pretty loosy-goosy sand (two with stock tires) and nobody needed a pull. Add that to the problem of true bead-locks being illegal in some states for road use and it's just too many drawbacks.

But, beadlock rings do look very cool. You heard it here first, folks. The Roadie is attracted by a non-functional mod for appearance only. :o

[vaG8tor]

All, I've been reviewing posts about backspacing and still have questions. If I were to have custom steelies built, what backspacing would be required to run wider tires without the spacers? Not looking to push the tires out too far.

[the roadie]

All, I've been reviewing posts about backspacing and still have questions. If I were to have custom steelies built, what backspacing would be required to run wider tires without the spacers? Not looking to push the tires out too far.Teebes, my #1 offroad wingman, went looking for exactly this kind of rim, custom-made from Stockton Wheel http://www.stocktonwheel.com/. After going back and forth, they finally admitted they didn't have a center piece suitable for our 6X5" lug pattern to weld into a 16" or 17" rim. So he went down the path of AlekG, who abandoned the 6X5" in favor of 6X5.5", where the offroad wheel selection is probably 100 times larger. To adapt from 6X5" to 6X5.5", you have to use a spacer/adapter, so a custom steelie isn't required. Normal backspacing available in 6X5.5" lug pattern stock wheels works OK. (This might have been better as a new thread rather than resurrecting an old one, though. Let's see if people notice it).

That said, I bet Teebes still has his calculations, and can drag them out in case you find a supplier willing and able to do a custom for you. Oh, Teebes. Paging Teebes: http://llamasery.com/forums/images/smilies/whistle.gif

[Gearhead2012]

Oh...when the Roadie speaks, people take notice, even if it's in an old thread, lol. I am all for functionality, but steelies are just ugly. I'd rather go with some bigger tires, with a modest negative offset, as it can later harness wider tires than factory...although I suppose a custome set could too. As far as removing the steelies for appearance, to put stock wheels back on...it wouldn't be too much more difficult to remove a spacer too, and bolt the factory wheel back up, if you went with spacers and new wheels. I'm really looking at the Predators from MB, at tires.com. Kiddnewt also has a set, although I believe he's selling them. I'd really like to get a set of forged american racing sidewinders, but they're too much...like 1200, which isn't all that much in the wheel world, but a lot in the Gearhead world right now.

[the roadie]

...I'd really like to get a set of forged american racing sidewinders, but they're too much...l:hijacked I totally agree on the lack of good value of forged. Weld Racing has some to die for, but outrageous prices. My current wish list has these Mickey Thompson Classic Locks with a blue simulated beadlock ring.

http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/images/products/classic_lock.jpg

[Mean_I-Sixer]

I've always loved those rims!! That same rim with the blue beadlock ring would look sweet on my blue TB!:yes: May:yes: be next years taxes will go towards new rims and some 6x5.5 wheel spacers.

[gordinho80]

Four of the most miserable hours I've ever spent on the car. 45 minutes with steel wool and ScotchBrite getting the rust patina off, 15 minutes with highly volatile, flammable, and brain-rotting Xylene solvent to prepare the surface, then three hours painting two coats of black Herculiner ($30 a quart - about 2/3 used on this project.) on the rocker panels and sliders. Icky, crappy, drippy work. But being black, it does make the Roadiemobile look a bit more lifted than it really is. Ground clearance under their lowest point is about 13".

http://www.roadie.org/Slider1.jpg

http://www.roadie.org/Slider2.jpg

http://www.roadie.org/Slider3.jpg

http://www.roadie.org/Slider4.jpg

Bill, how has the Herculiner stood up?

Mario

[the roadie]

Bill, how has the Herculiner stood up?Poorly, but given how I scrape and abuse them I doubt anything, even Line-X, would have been any better. Now they need recoating. About 20% is gone. No plans yet to change products. I forget what Teebes did on his. I'll ask.

[JamesDowning]

As I understand it, there's a third bedliner that is supposedly even better than line-x... xtreme liner. Much more expensive though. (They quoted me $250 vs $150 for line-x.) It may be worth looking into for extreme cases... such as roadie's sliders.

[the roadie]

I find it difficult to care about them much anymore. :bonk: (Fresh pics.) Certainly not $100-250 worth! :eek:

http://www.roadie.org/slider5.jpg

http://www.roadie.org/slider6.jpg

[Dizzlenator]

Would you mind too terribly sir, taking a few measurements please?? I gotta build some while I do my bumpers. I still think that they look awesome Bill, even though they are beat up.

[the roadie]

You can estimate the sizes involved by looking at the pictures at the beginning of the thread, knowing the square tubing is 2" and the round is 1.5". Teebes had his fabbed to the vehicle, not made up ahead of time. Like me.

But assuming the rain doesn't come too early tomorrow morning, I can measure a few things. What's a critical measurement to you?

[Dizzlenator]

Nothing really all that critical....just wondering if you had them standing by.....If ya don't, it's all good. I'm just going to be fabbing mine up while I do my bumpers. Starting the cutting on those Monday (holiday from work :excited:). But, I'll be getting some measurements, etc off the truck, and just add that to my steel purchase.....thanks though brother!!

[oregtrailblaz]

I find it difficult to care about them much anymore. :bonk: (Fresh pics.) Certainly not $100-250 worth! :eek:

But doesn't it wheel better when it's pretty?:dielaugh:? You know, like how cars go faster when you put a chrome motor trim kit on!! Well... I guess its lights under the doors now days:hopeless:crackup:

[the roadie]

But doesn't it wheel better when it's pretty?:crazy: Nope. I wheel it SLOWER when it's clean, in a hopeless attempt to keep it that way. But you know that. :yes:

I posted before about how a clean truck is a safety liability offroad, since the owner might take a dangerous line to avoid brush pinstriping or a rock, and put themselves at risk by doing that. :duh:

[oregtrailblaz]

[QUOTE=the roadie;676349I posted before about how a clean truck is a safety liability offroad, since the owner might take a dangerous line to avoid brush pinstriping or a rock, and put themselves at risk by doing that. :duh:[/QUOTE]

Haha.. I like that, I'm going to have to use that!!

[the roadie]

Even better, playing the SAFETY card is way to get spousal approval of otherwise marginal mods and upgrades.

As long as they're functional also - you don't want to do appearance-only stuff that's going to force me to mock you.

Remember, safety first:

http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/safetyfirst.jpg

[Foosh]

roadie, i donno what your talking about, thats perfectly safe! i do it all the time, hahah i think not!

[oregtrailblaz]

Even better, playing the SAFETY card is way to get spousal approval of otherwise marginal mods and upgrades.

As long as they're functional also - you don't want to do appearance-only stuff that's going to force me to mock you.

Remember, safety first:

http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/safetyfirst.jpg

I love this pic, actually have it in my shop!!! The best thing is it looks like he is either welding on, or extremely close to the fuel tank.......