Front brake cooling system (pn 19154753)

[travd]

Got mine today!! Here are some pictures. I won't be putting it on until it gets warm. It's around a high of 22 degrees and I don't have a heated garage.


http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4781959
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4781960

[CARBONGSXR]

Got mine today!! Here are some pictures. I won't be putting it on until it gets warm. It's around a high of 22 degrees and I don't have a heated garage.


http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4781959
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4781960

what was the cost?? :undecided

[Knightslugger]

Just like F1! Cool!

bu-dum dum psssh!

[Liquiddi]

That's a lot of money for some plastic ducts. Why not just go to home depot and get some tubing if you are going to be auto crossing for the day?

[LMMJ]

GM list $399 :crazy:

[travd]

That's a lot of money for some plastic ducts. Why not just go to home depot and get some tubing if you are going to be auto crossing for the day?


That's the cheesy way. Do it right the first time. Why re-invent something that is very functional and bolt-in so you don't have to try to fabricate brackets and things.

I don't pay the list price. I have a hook up at the dealer. Everybody should get one.

[BOTLFED98]

just curious how much did it cost?

[vetruck]

Cool, let us know if it helps with the brake dust at all. Thanks :D

[travd]

Everybody should get one.

I meant everybody should get a hook-up at the dealer.

I paid $350 but, I had to wait about 1 month to get it though.

Cool, let us know if it helps with the brake dust at all. Thanks :D

Definatly will but, it won't be going on anytime soon unless you have a heated garage. It's 20 degrees during the day and getting down to singles at night.

[ltz03]

Definatly will but, it won't be going on anytime soon unless you have a heated garage. It's 20 degrees during the day and getting down to singles at night.


dress up!!! it will only take a few min to put them in

[travd]

dress up!!! it will only take a few min to put them in

Yeah your right, I shouldn't be such a puss, I'll put them in on Sunday.

[Liquiddi]

I could build brake ducts with zip ties and duct for less then $10. I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder. You can't even see the things.

[Sparkz28ss]

I could build brake ducts with zip ties and duct for less then $10. I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder. You can't even see the things.

i bet you could also build some kind of flying machine with stuff from home depot .........the question is would you want to.:no:

[BluavalancheZ71]

How do you think stuff gets invented? From stuff people have lying around and they slap it together. May not be exactly from home depot, but look at the Wright brothers! Henry Ford for the production line. If people were not building things we would still be riding horses!

[Hawaiian SS]

There is no question that the brake duct kit is made well and fits good, but it is $399. I saw this kit at my local dealer and it really is made with about $30 worth of parts. It is nice, but GM could get away with only charging about $129 for it.

[Liquiddi]

That's what I'm saying. That is just way too much for something you could easily build yourself. The only reason you would need the brake cooling is if you are autocrossing. Otherwise it's completely useless for normal driving..

[travd]

There is no question that the brake duct kit is made well and fits good, but it is $399. I saw this kit at my local dealer and it really is made with about $30 worth of parts. It is nice, but GM could get away with only charging about $129 for it.

How much do you think it would be to buy the equipment to produce a preformed piece of plastic? How about the time in R&D to make the molds needed to produce the preformed plastic? How about the machine to stamp out the brake dust shield? All these things cost money and I think the price that they are asking is a little high but so is gas. A quality product cost money to produce and it's not like they are making 500,000 of them either. Support GM and the R&D they do for you or the company won't be around for much longer and your warranty won't be worth snot and you wont be able to purchase a GM vehicle ever again. Constantly complaining and whining about how you can make the samething for less is getting ridiclous. Build the same quality product and sell it for $129 and I'll buy 2 of them.

[ltz03]

it should have come on the SS!! plain and simple...

[travd]

it should have come on the SS!! plain and simple...

So Gm get's confussed some times, just like the Monte Carlo SS from 1985-1987. They should have put the 350 TPI in it but didn't. List can go on and on what Gm could have and should have done.

[a990dna]

How much do you think it would be to buy the equipment to produce a preformed piece of plastic? How about the time in R&D to make the molds needed to produce the preformed plastic? How about the machine to stamp out the brake dust shield? All these things cost money and I think the price that they are asking is a little high but so is gas. A quality product cost money to produce and it's not like they are making 500,000 of them either. Support GM and the R&D they do for you or the company won't be around for much longer and your warranty won't be worth snot and you wont be able to purchase a GM vehicle ever again. Constantly complaining and whining about how you can make the samething for less is getting ridiclous. Build the same quality product and sell it for $129 and I'll buy 2 of them.

I'm with travd ... if you can afford a SS, you can afford genuine GM Performance Parts. Back in the good old days you could order a cross ram manifold and air cleaner for a Z28 ..

only if we knew then what we know today.

[CARBONGSXR]

i bet you could also build some kind of flying machine with stuff from home depot .........the question is would you want to.:no:


:undecided

LMFAO!!!! :dielaugh: :dielaugh: :laugh: :laugh: that was funny..

[topprolmc]

So Gm get's confussed some times, just like the Monte Carlo SS from 1985-1987. They should have put the 350 TPI in it but didn't. List can go on and on what Gm could have and should have done.

No. They didn't because it came with the T-Tops and GM learned from the Firebird GTA that the 350 put out enought Torque to flex the roof and pop and shatter the glass T-Tops and the rear glass. That is why the 5 speed was only offered in the GTA with the 305 and the auto with the 350. My buddy had a GTA and even with the 305 you could hear the seals squeak if he go on it. The rear hatch really groaned...

A 350 Monte woulda ruled the world back in 86, and I wish they woulda made 'em.

[Nukedog]

No. They didn't because it came with the T-Tops and GM learned from the Firebird GTA that the 350 put out enought Torque to flex the roof and pop and shatter the glass T-Tops and the rear glass. That is why the 5 speed was only offered in the GTA with the 305 and the auto with the 350. My buddy had a GTA and even with the 305 you could hear the seals squeak if he go on it. The rear hatch really groaned...

A 350 Monte woulda ruled the world back in 86, and I wish they woulda made 'em.


Then why did they make the GN with T-Tops? The 80's 350's didn't make nearly enough TQ for flex of anything - suspension included...:dielaugh:

Actually you are correct (partly). Your reasoning is correct but it wasn't because the motors where overwhelming it was because 3rd Gen cars where just that poorly designed...

[blautens]

It is a little steep for what it is, but I always thought it would be one of those little purchased, hard to get later, factory options that would be VERY cool to have 10-20 years from now when you're showing the car.

Anything that sets your car apart, but is still "factory" is generally appreciated at shows.

[topprolmc]

Then why did they make the GN with T-Tops? The 80's 350's didn't make nearly enough TQ for flex of anything - suspension included...:dielaugh:

Actually you are correct (partly). Your reasoning is correct but it wasn't because the motors where overwhelming it was because 3rd Gen cars where just that poorly designed...


The GTA was a trans am so it was Unibody. A hot V6 could flex them badly.

[Clayton]

I'm trying to revive the main topic of this thread...so I don't have to post a new one...

My question is, does the front brake cooling system fit on the 06 TB LT (non-ss)?

I was looking at it but I was under the impression it was only for the SS.

Edit: Oops...I guess I could post this under the proper category...

[travd]

No. They didn't because it came with the T-Tops and GM learned from the Firebird GTA that the 350 put out enought Torque to flex the roof and pop and shatter the glass T-Tops and the rear glass. That is why the 5 speed was only offered in the GTA with the 305 and the auto with the 350. My buddy had a GTA and even with the 305 you could hear the seals squeak if he go on it. The rear hatch really groaned...

A 350 Monte woulda ruled the world back in 86, and I wish they woulda made 'em.

Monte Carlo was a full frame car compared to the unibody Camaro/Firebird but, all the G-body cars had problems even the hardtops. Right up in the top corner of the window is where all G-bodys crack. To much flex. How about the GNX it had some extra bracing behind the rear seat to keep the car together. Oh well, this is off-topic and back to the should have done it cause.:offtopic:

[travd]

I'm trying to revive the main topic of this thread...so I don't have to post a new one...

My question is, does the front brake cooling system fit on the 06 TB LT (non-ss)?

I was looking at it but I was under the impression it was only for the SS.

Edit: Oops...I guess I could post this under the proper category...


Fits the SS only, unless maybe you change the front end over to the SS

[BuffaloSS]

Well, good luck with the install, regardless of the cost. Enjoy the weather!

[matts]

i understand the costs involved with designing and building something of this nature, but GM don't have to try and start making a profit within the first 1,000 sold either. i'm with the majority in saying $399 is too high for what you're getting, even $350 is still way too high in my opinion.


some companies would rather sell low volumes with high profits. i guess i'm strange as i would rather sell high volumes with lower profits. i think that in the end the higher volume/lower profit would actually net you more profit.

[blktbz]

Cool part, but I don't think I'd drop that kind of money for something I could build myself:no:

[Sparkz28ss]

i think that in the end the higher volume/lower profit would actually net you more profit.

......:x

[matts]

......:x

what?

[AJSZR2326]

i've had mine in for over a year now make sure u install splash shields also. only notice it on road course. on everyday driving you cant tell. it does stiffen up the bumper with fog light brackets also.

[dubzman]

I agree that its too pricey.....plus it doesnt really do you much good anyway. I also agree that they should have come standard with the SS. Look for them on ebay or craigslist in a couple months for $150 once enough of them have fallen off the truck.;)

[ScarabEpic22]

$350 huh, little high as Part4Chevy.com on here sells them for $299 (I think)...

[travd]

$350 huh, little high as Part4Chevy.com on here sells them for $299 (I think)...

He's actually $335 plus shipping.

[a990dna]

i understand the costs involved with designing and building something of this nature, but GM don't have to try and start making a profit within the first 1,000 sold either. i'm with the majority in saying $399 is too high for what you're getting, even $350 is still way too high in my opinion.

some companies would rather sell low volumes with high profits. i guess i'm strange as i would rather sell high volumes with lower profits. i think that in the end the higher volume/lower profit would actually net you more profit.

R&D, tooling and production forecasts drive standard manufacturing costs ...

It's obvious GM doesn't plan on selling a billion of these units since they're only for the TBSS.. and they would simply use a ratio of the planned production run over the product life to establish a reasonable forecast. Be glad a product manager thought of offering a ram air package in the first place.

At ths point, GM is probably losing money on these since TBSS's aren't flying off dealer lots.

[machineman]

Its alot of scratch! Although I would love to have it just so I could point it out to anyone who didn't ask! :cool:

[wads ss]

they probably wont sell even 1000 of those overall

[matts]

they probably wont sell even 1000 of those overall


they would if they were cheaper lol, cause i'd buy some just to say i had them too :yes:

[BigKahuna13]

Wow. $399 is a blingin ripoff. This is why GM is in the toilet.

We went through the same thing with our Impala SS's. Everyone ran out and got the $250 K&N Ram Air kit. Then someone figured out how to build it for the cost of some cheap yet nice looking parts from Home Depot and just buy the filter. Total cost under $50.

I think these are cool but I will wait to see if I can do it myself. These big brakes cool down pretty good as it is, unless you are auto crossing or road racing and will need to worry about brake fade.

No knock on anyone paying for these, it's what you want to spend your money on. I have no issue with that. It's your truck, mod it the way that makes you happy.

[Silver Ecstasy]

I sort of agree about GM being super stubborn on parts pricing.

Back when I had my GTO, they had a painted OEM body kit available (sport appearance package) that was painted silver and someone had ordered but never picked up. I asked what they'd "offer" for me if I wanted to take it off their hands. They wanted full price. I was like, sorry, g'luck selling it. I called a couple months later and THEY THREW IT AWAY!! Those effing bastards...I could have easily took it off their hands but instead they'd rather throw it out in the garbage?

Anyhow, I'm going to look into how much this will cost, I have a guy who gets me wholesale parts. Yes, gotta love hook-ups.

[BigKahuna13]

I called a couple months later and THEY THREW IT AWAY!!

Yeah, that's the talent level that works behind the counter at most dealerships! I got REAL lucky, I have a good tech at my local dealer who also races his 10 sec '70 Chevelle. So he understands what the deal is and he's a talented guy too.

[webxfx]

I'm with travd ... if you can afford a SS, you can afford genuine GM Performance Parts. Back in the good old days you could order a cross ram manifold and air cleaner for a Z28 ..

only if we knew then what we know today.


Good post, I'm only disapointed that there are not more options released from GM for the Trailblazer SS.... eg. exust options, air intake.... They have these out for the full-size trucks

[Silver Ecstasy]

Good post, I'm only disapointed that there are not more options released from GM for the Trailblazer SS.... eg. exust options, air intake.... They have these out for the full-size trucks

Nismo = Nissan Performance
Mazdaspeed = Mazda OEM performance
Toyota = TRD Racing Development
Dodge = Mopar
Ford = SVT..eh..r.i.p.
GM = ???

Atleast Nissan provides parts for their signature car. What does GM provide for their signature SS series? Nothing. Take pride in your vehicle, give the customer an option to buy from you and modify!

But GM's number one NEGATIVE, is they don't like anyone to modify their vehicles. They want society to only see their product one way and thats the way it was designed. This way it attracts more buyers to GM and that product. They see it on the road, they want THAT same car. They don't care about individuality or customization. They cater to the old muscler crowd more than they do us!

Prime example: When Fast & The Furious came out, Dodge came out with the SRT-4 and GM had the Saturn ION RedLine.

You could make that SRT-4 a monster, with OEM parts and still have a warranty! You couldn't modify a single thing on the RedLine's exterior without it still looking like an ugly Saturn, and it was STILL slower than the SRT-4. Boo!!

Swing batta batta, swing and a MISS GM GM GM. lol

[BigKahuna13]

"if you can afford a SS, you can afford genuine GM Performance Parts"

What kind of logic is that? I can afford any new car or truck I want, and chose a Chevy because that's the kind of person I am. I have a 69 Camaro SS 396 ragtop, a couple of heavily modded mid 90's Impala SS's with one of them over 700 HP, a modded Suburban, a modded Tahoe, and now my modded TB SS. I like Chevy's, what can I say? I love smoking cars twice the cost of mine at the track and on the street.

BTW, money has nothing to do with it. PISSING AWAY MONEY has everything to do with it.

And again, I am not saying you pissed away your money, but to me that price is steep for those ducts. No big deal, I did the same thing first time around with my Impala. You live and you learn.

But don't say things like "if you can afford the truck you can afford the high ripoff GM prices" because that's just plain silly talk. :crazy:

BTW, we have a pretty good GM parts guy too. Dal at Vandevere Olds in Ohio gets pretty decent pricing on all GM stuff. You can call him at 877-448-5451 or email him for a quote at lockitup@bright.net

[matts]

well aren't the Cobalt SS/SC stage kits "factory friendly" and still maintain your warranty?


where Subaru has STI, and Nissan has Nismo, etc, GM does have GM Performance Parts

[BigKahuna13]

Nismo = Nissan Performance
Mazdaspeed = Mazda OEM performance
Toyota = TRD Racing Development
Dodge = Mopar
Ford = SVT..eh..r.i.p.
GM = ???

Atleast Nissan provides parts for their signature car. What does GM provide for their signature SS series? Nothing. Take pride in your vehicle, give the customer an option to buy from you and modify!

But GM's number one NEGATIVE, is they don't like anyone to modify their vehicles. They want society to only see their product one way and thats the way it was designed. This way it attracts more buyers to GM and that product. They see it on the road, they want THAT same car. They don't care about individuality or customization. They cater to the old muscler crowd more than they do us!

Prime example: When Fast & The Furious came out, Dodge came out with the SRT-4 and GM had the Saturn ION RedLine.

You could make that SRT-4 a monster, with OEM parts and still have a warranty! You couldn't modify a single thing on the RedLine's exterior without it still looking like an ugly Saturn, and it was STILL slower than the SRT-4. Boo!!

Swing batta batta, swing and a MISS GM GM GM. lol

Like matts said, there is GMPP. I use them heavily. They rock.

They bang out some outstanding stuff, you can build monsters from the GMPP website. I guess I like to go fast, it's the most important thing. Looking fast is nice but I will never spend money on pretty parts if they didn't come from the factory that way. GM loves for people to spend money modifying their vehicles with GMPP items.

BTW, I refuse to even acknowledge an SRT-4 or an ION RedLine or even the fact that you think Fast and Furious is a point of reference for actual performance cars. Now if you have a real car like a Vette or a Firebird or a Camaro, you can build yourself anything your heart desires out off the GMPP site. My 94 Impala SS has a ZZ502 RamJet crate motor in it that pumps out 550 HP or so. I bought it with one part number. So please don't say GM doesn't have a kick ass aftermarket performance division. Maybe it doesn't support the crappy little ricer cars that well but who cares? Those aren't even real cars, are they?

[Silver Ecstasy]

BTW, I refuse to even acknowledge an SRT-4 or an ION RedLine or even the fact that you think Fast and Furious is a point of reference for actual performance cars. Now if you have a real car like a Vette or a Firebird or a Camaro, you can build yourself anything your heart desires out off the GMPP site. My 94 Impala SS has a ZZ502 RamJet crate motor in it that pumps out 550 HP or so. I bought it with one part number. So please don't say GM doesn't have a kick ass aftermarket performance division. Maybe it doesn't support the crappy little ricer cars that well but who cares? Those aren't even real cars, are they?

No no, i'm not saying they're real performance cars. I was simply criticizing GM's sales tactics and their means of bringing out a product the public wants, and failing miserably both on the base product and their support behind it as well.

It disappoints me there isn't more available. Theres only motors and small accessories for older cars.

[BigKahuna13]

Yeah Mike, I hear you. Just another reason not to buy a crappy low end GM car.

On the other hand there are a TON of go fast parts for the LSx motors. I am already trying to hide headers and other parts boxes that keep arriving at the house. ;)

[travd]

Nismo = Nissan Performance
Mazdaspeed = Mazda OEM performance
Toyota = TRD Racing Development
Dodge = Mopar
Ford = SVT..eh..r.i.p.
GM = ???

Atleast Nissan provides parts for their signature car. What does GM provide for their signature SS series? Nothing. Take pride in your vehicle, give the customer an option to buy from you and modify!

But GM's number one NEGATIVE, is they don't like anyone to modify their vehicles. They want society to only see their product one way and thats the way it was designed. This way it attracts more buyers to GM and that product. They see it on the road, they want THAT same car. They don't care about individuality or customization. They cater to the old muscler crowd more than they do us!

Prime example: When Fast & The Furious came out, Dodge came out with the SRT-4 and GM had the Saturn ION RedLine.

You could make that SRT-4 a monster, with OEM parts and still have a warranty! You couldn't modify a single thing on the RedLine's exterior without it still looking like an ugly Saturn, and it was STILL slower than the SRT-4. Boo!!

Swing batta batta, swing and a MISS GM GM GM. lol


How long did the SRT-4 last? I think it's gone all ready isn't it. Had a really good run of 2-3 years. Also, I know many guys with SRT-4's that after 15000-20000 miles are junk because they can't handle the power they are getting out of them.

Now on the other hand look at the Cobalt's motor. The ECO motor will handle 800Hp and live for quite a while. As far as offering Performance parts look for the GM performance catalog.

Swing and it's a hit!!!

[ScarabEpic22]

How long did the SRT-4 last? I think it's gone all ready isn't it. Had a really good run of 2-3 years. Also, I know many guys with SRT-4's that after 15000-20000 miles are junk because they can't handle the power they are getting out of them.

Now on the other hand look at the Cobalt's motor. The ECO motor will handle 800Hp and live for quite a while. As far as offering Performance parts look for the GM performance catalog.

Swing and it's a hit!!!

True, but the next batch of SRT-4s are coming out this year or next, but personally Im not sure Im going to like a Caliber SRT-4...:o


And, yea, the Ecotec engines are rock solid, those things handle tons of power! Hint, the Atlas LL8 handles power pretty well too, guys have turboed them up pretty well with only minor internal upgrades to over 800+hp...:woot: :D

[Silver Ecstasy]

I'm looking at it strictly from a marketing/sales standpoint, as well has how that ties into our availbility and abilities to mod through OEM.

Ecotec's weren't known to be rock solid until they were tested to the limits. And those tests weren't necessarily done by GM, they were done by tuners and aftermarket companies.

Then GM got the hint and started factory turbo charging them in the GXP, with potential for larger gains by the customer. They figure it out, just way later in the game.

As for the SRT-4, they're monsters and none of us really can deny it. Our trucks transmissions can barely handle 500+ forced induction power, so it's not a surprise a whimpy 4 banger can't handle 500hp. Just my 2cents.

[BigKahuna13]

I don't care if it's 1000 HP, if it's FWD I don't want it.

I race at the track very often and FWD SUCKS. Very few good FWD bracket cars due to the inconsistent traction. Plus, they are just plain GHEY. A FWD burnout looks like the car is heading in the wrong direction. :nono:

[travd]

I don't care if it's 1000 HP, if it's FWD I don't want it.

I race at the track very often and FWD SUCKS. Very few good FWD bracket cars due to the inconsistent traction. Plus, they are just plain GHEY. A FWD burnout looks like the car is heading in the wrong direction. :nono:

I agree!!

Also, big difference in price to get those FWD's to do what you can do with a RWD. I don't see any FWD's in Prostock, FunnyCar or Top fuel for some reason.

[Liquiddi]

I don't care if it's 1000 HP, if it's FWD I don't want it.

I race at the track very often and FWD SUCKS. Very few good FWD bracket cars due to the inconsistent traction. Plus, they are just plain GHEY. A FWD burnout looks like the car is heading in the wrong direction. :nono:

If it had 1000hp I would take it for a test drive. :D

[BigKahuna13]

If it had 1000hp I would take it for a test drive. :D

Oh hell yeah! I would bring it back with 2 front smoking rims after I burned the tires off.

Kind of like my test drive of the TB SS. Silver stripped down 2006 TB SS on the lot and salesman is busy so he flips me the keys. I'm gone for about 20 mins and he calls me on the cell. "Are you coming back anytime soon?" HAHAHA.

I beat that truck so bad the wheels were smoking when I brought it back. It had 190 miles on the odometer but it might as well have been 60,000 miles. Dealer says "why order one and wait when you can have this one now?" I was like "I feel sorry for whoever buys this thing!"

[Silver Ecstasy]

Oh hell yeah! I would bring it back with 2 front smoking rims after I burned the tires off.

Kind of like my test drive of the TB SS. Silver stripped down 2006 TB SS on the lot and salesman is busy so he flips me the keys. I'm gone for about 20 mins and he calls me on the cell. "Are you coming back anytime soon?" HAHAHA.

I beat that truck so bad the wheels were smoking when I brought it back. It had 190 miles on the odometer but it might as well have been 60,000 miles. Dealer says "why order one and wait when you can have this one now?" I was like "I feel sorry for whoever buys this thing!"

Being someone who must have bought a car that someone beat on like you did (My 05 GTO - everything was messed up with it), I won't be a jerk, but i'll just say that Karma is an absolute bitch and I hope you are smarter next time you decide to disrespect property that isn't yours.

[dubzman]

Nismo = Nissan Performance
Mazdaspeed = Mazda OEM performance
Toyota = TRD Racing Development
Dodge = Mopar
Ford = SVT..eh..r.i.p.
GM = ???


It's GM Performance division and they are doing some very cool things. You cant bring everythinng to the market that they come up with because of funding issues and marketability. Go to their website and just look at what they have done. Most of what they have accomplished are more impressive than anything Mazda, Toyota, Dodge, and Ford have ever done. Plus with Roush leaving Ford and comming to GM exclusively in 2008 you can bet on even more to come.:yes:

[BowenCT]

Wow...I gotta tell ya, I am shocked at the negative responses this poor guy had to take just for anouncing that he just picked up the cooling duct kit. This guy is stoked to install the kit on his SS and wanted nothing more than to tell us about it.

People got on him the same way most of the general public would get on all of us for buying a 400hp TrailBlazer. Are they correct? Maybe...in thier mind. Do we care? Hell no.

Personally, I would buy the brake duct kit for no other reason than to give those hidious gaping holes in the bottom of my bumper a purpose.

Flame suite on........peace.

[Silver Ecstasy]

It's GM Performance division and they are doing some very cool things. You cant bring everythinng to the market that they come up with because of funding issues and marketability. Go to their website and just look at what they have done. Most of what they have accomplished are more impressive than anything Mazda, Toyota, Dodge, and Ford have ever done. Plus with Roush leaving Ford and comming to GM exclusively in 2008 you can bet on even more to come.:yes:

Wow really? Thats awesome!! Well in that case, I can't wait for them to come out with some stuff! I'd love to pick up some GM certified performance parts/hp gains.

[BigKahuna13]

Being someone who must have bought a car that someone beat on like you did (My 05 GTO - everything was messed up with it), I won't be a jerk, but i'll just say that Karma is an absolute bitch and I hope you are smarter next time you decide to disrespect property that isn't yours.

Oh please. Why even have a performance vehicle? Do you even drive it like it's supposed to be driven? Are you one of those 50 year old guys I see driving a new Porsche or a new Vette doing 52 MPH in the right lane with the death grip of fear on the steering wheel? They just want to be SEEN in a nice ride, they don't actually have the balls to drive it like it was built to be driven. Please tell me you're not one of them?

A. Why would anyone buy a vehicle off the lot unless it had less than 5 miles on it? If you DO buy a vehicle with almost 200 or more miles you get what you pay for. You KNOW it was a demo and romped hard by the sales person and potential customers. Everyone knows this. People are either too impatient to wait or too cheap to pay for a true new vehicle so they take a demo to save some bucks. What do you think the demo of a performance vehicle is for? To sip tea in? How am I supposed to know that I want to plunk down $40K for a truck without seeing what it can do?

B. I didn't do anything to the vehicle I wouldn't do to my own. Like I said it was a stripped cloth, no sunroof, no options TB SS. I ordered mine loaded. I drive my own TB SS way harder than the demo, but I know where it's been. I can beat on my truck, I don't want a truck that someone else has beat up on. IT'S A PERFORMANCE VEHICLE, THAT'S WHAT'S IT'S BUILT FOR! If it can't handle a spirited test drive, who wants it for 100,000 miles?

A 190 mile stripped demo truck, that already looked like it was rode hard and put away wet, is not my cup of tea. Mine came with 3 miles on it, just because I know what happens to the dealer inventory.

Every car guy knows you NEVER buy a demo, you always order one just the way you want it. On top of that, it's ALWAYS cheaper that way, since the dealer doesn't have to pay the vig to GM while the vehicle sits on the lot. It comes in the door and I pick it up 2 days later saving the dealer interest on the truck.

[Silver Ecstasy]

Oh please. Why even have a performance vehicle? Do you even drive it like it's supposed to be driven? Are you one of those 50 year old guys I see driving a new Porsche or a new Vette doing 52 MPH in the right lane with the death grip of fear on the steering wheel? They just want to be SEEN in a nice ride, they don't actually have the balls to drive it like it was built to be driven. Please tell me you're not one of them?

A. Why would anyone buy a vehicle off the lot unless it had less than 5 miles on it? If you DO buy a vehicle with almost 200 or more miles you get what you pay for. You KNOW it was a demo and romped hard by the sales person and potential customers. Everyone knows this. People are either too impatient to wait or too cheap to pay for a true new vehicle so they take a demo to save some bucks. What do you think the demo of a performance vehicle is for? To sip tea in? How am I supposed to know that I want to plunk down $40K for a truck without seeing what it can do?

B. I didn't do anything to the vehicle I wouldn't do to my own. Like I said it was a stripped cloth, no sunroof, no options TB SS. I ordered mine loaded. I drive my own TB SS way harder than the demo, but I know where it's been. I can beat on my truck, I don't want a truck that someone else has beat up on. IT'S A PERFORMANCE VEHICLE, THAT'S WHAT'S IT'S BUILT FOR! If it can't handle a spirited test drive, who wants it for 100,000 miles?

A 190 mile stripped demo truck, that already looked like it was rode hard and put away wet, is not my cup of tea. Mine came with 3 miles on it, just because I know what happens to the dealer inventory.

Every car guy knows you NEVER buy a demo, you always order one just the way you want it. On top of that, it's ALWAYS cheaper that way, since the dealer doesn't have to pay the vig to GM while the vehicle sits on the lot. It comes in the door and I pick it up 2 days later saving the dealer interest on the truck.

Well I wouldn't call my 05 GTO a demo, but it did have 256 miles on it. Then after the dealer owner put the miles on it, he sat it back inside the showroom floor where it sat for a very long time. So it's been saved from the public, but probably not from him. I didn't have a chance to thorouhgly compare that GTO with another, to see what differences in noise and mechanicals or whatnot, but all I know is, the car got raped and I got stuck with it.

And, I'm also not going to pay $32k for a GTO when I got my 05 with only 200 miles on it for $25k. That's a big difference to pay for no mileage.

When I bought my truck, I didn't beat on it, but I wasn't too extremely gentle either. I bought my truck for performance and fun, but not so I can beat the snot out of it every day either. It's too expensive (gas, tickets) for that all the time. But trust me, it's in my blood to have fast cars, I can't handle anything less. With that being said, no, i don't drive slow and baby-ish all the time.

Personally, I think it's funny you took it to heart so much of what I said. It wasn't an attack on you, all I'm saying is that it's not cool to abuse property that isn't yours. So when that innocent buyer buys that truck you beat up on, and has problems for the period of their ownership, and decides never to buy another GM product again because of the consistency in issues..

Fact is, the truck isn't even broken in, and rippin around in it isn't doing anyone any favors.

For example, when a GTO is brand new, you're supposed to keep it under 55 for the first 500 miles to break in the new rear diff. How many people do that? Zero. So if you're blastin around, of course it's going to break in inproperly. Thus leading to issues, and my frustration of having numerous rearend/trans issues.

You're absolutely right, you own the truck, you know what it's been through. But don't think the service write-up guys at the dealership are going to be "gentle" with it because it ain't theirs..

[travd]

Wow...I gotta tell ya, I am shocked at the negative responses this poor guy had to take just for anouncing that he just picked up the cooling duct kit. This guy is stoked to install the kit on his SS and wanted nothing more than to tell us about it.

People got on him the same way most of the general public would get on all of us for buying a 400hp TrailBlazer. Are they correct? Maybe...in thier mind. Do we care? Hell no.

Personally, I would buy the brake duct kit for no other reason than to give those hidious gaping holes in the bottom of my bumper a purpose.

Flame suite on........peace.


Thanks man! All you hacks can kiss my A S S!

[travd]

Well I wouldn't call my 05 GTO a demo, but it did have 256 miles on it. Then after the dealer owner put the miles on it, he sat it back inside the showroom floor where it sat for a very long time. So it's been saved from the public, but probably not from him. I didn't have a chance to thorouhgly compare that GTO with another, to see what differences in noise and mechanicals or whatnot, but all I know is, the car got raped and I got stuck with it.

And, I'm also not going to pay $32k for a GTO when I got my 05 with only 200 miles on it for $25k. That's a big difference to pay for no mileage.

When I bought my truck, I didn't beat on it, but I wasn't too extremely gentle either. I bought my truck for performance and fun, but not so I can beat the snot out of it every day either. It's too expensive (gas, tickets) for that all the time. But trust me, it's in my blood to have fast cars, I can't handle anything less. With that being said, no, i don't drive slow and baby-ish all the time.

Personally, I think it's funny you took it to heart so much of what I said. It wasn't an attack on you, all I'm saying is that it's not cool to abuse property that isn't yours. So when that innocent buyer buys that truck you beat up on, and has problems for the period of their ownership, and decides never to buy another GM product again because of the consistency in issues..

Fact is, the truck isn't even broken in, and rippin around in it isn't doing anyone any favors.

For example, when a GTO is brand new, you're supposed to keep it under 55 for the first 500 miles to break in the new rear diff. How many people do that? Zero. So if you're blastin around, of course it's going to break in inproperly. Thus leading to issues, and my frustration of having numerous rearend/trans issues.

You're absolutely right, you own the truck, you know what it's been through. But don't think the service write-up guys at the dealership are going to be "gentle" with it because it ain't theirs..


I agree with Silver Ecstasy, This is just like another thread I read about the "KID" that put NOS on his TBSS and got a rod-knock so he want's to take it back to the dealer to get it covered under warranty after he removes the NOS. Just morally wrong in so many ways but, he didn't care.

[BigKahuna13]

And, I'm also not going to pay $32k for a GTO when I got my 05 with only 200 miles on it for $25k. That's a big difference to pay for no mileage.


So let me get this straight. You got $7K off a car and you are upset it had the balls beat off it? Why do you think they call it a DEMO? Because it's to DEMONSTRATE what the car can do. No one in their right mind buys a performance car demo since everyone knows what a demo was used for. I don't care what they TOLD you the history of the car was, it was hammered. That's the name of the game, you get one test mule per dealer and you show off what it can do to customers.

Oh, and if you wonder if I 'take it to heart' maybe you shouldn't use words like KARMA and DISRESPECT OTHER PEOPLES PROPERTY when you address me. I had the dealers full permission to drive it that way - the dealer is one of my minor sponsors for my Impala SS, they know how I drive.

I agree with Silver Ecstasy, This is just like another thread I read about the "KID" that put NOS on his TBSS and got a rod-knock so he want's to take it back to the dealer to get it covered under warranty after he removes the NOS. Just morally wrong in so many ways but, he didn't care.
Hahahaha. You think putting nitrous on a truck and trying to lie about it is the same as taking a test drive where I floored it a few times and then stomped on the brakes as hard as I could to see if the hype about these trucks was true? In a demo truck that was already hammered hard by my salesman and others as per his own admission? Oh my Lord, you Mary's deserve each other. You should hold hands and sing Kumbaya.

Anyone who buys a demo of a performance car deserves what they get for trying to be so cheap. It's a crapshoot and unfortunately it didn't work out for you with the GTO. Sorry to hear that but you can't act surprised. Nothing in this world is free so what did you think you were getting for $7K off?

I have to go now, I want to go look on-line for some $399 plastic tubing. I'm having a tough time, I can't find anything over $20 so far. :crazy:

[ScarabEpic22]

Wow, is all I can say.:duh:

And, there is a black 1SS AWD at the dealer close to my house, I was thinking about taking it for a test drive, but I just stopped in for a minute to check out the underside of it and didnt have time, but he said he loves taking it for test drives as he romps it often and so do the customers.

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BTW, Im a firm believer that you should drive your ride how you want to from the moment you take it off the lot. When I get an SS, Im not going to beat on it really hard for the first 200-300mi, but Im also not going to baby it either. It will definitely see a few WOT 0-60 bursts in that time period.

But, its your truck so do what you want with it.

[travd]

So let me get this straight. You got $7K off a car and you are upset it had the balls beat off it? Why do you think they call it a DEMO? Because it's to DEMONSTRATE what the car can do. No one in their right mind buys a performance car demo since everyone knows what a demo was used for. I don't care what they TOLD you the history of the car was, it was hammered. That's the name of the game, you get one test mule per dealer and you show off what it can do to customers.

Oh, and if you wonder if I 'take it to heart' maybe you shouldn't use words like KARMA and DISRESPECT OTHER PEOPLES PROPERTY when you address me. I had the dealers full permission to drive it that way - the dealer is one of my minor sponsors for my Impala SS, they know how I drive.


Hahahaha. You think putting nitrous on a truck and trying to lie about it is the same as taking a test drive where I floored it a few times and then stomped on the brakes as hard as I could to see if the hype about these trucks was true? In a demo truck that was already hammered hard by my salesman and others as per his own admission? Oh my Lord, you Mary's deserve each other. You should hold hands and sing Kumbaya.

Anyone who buys a demo of a performance car deserves what they get for trying to be so cheap. It's a crapshoot and unfortunately it didn't work out for you with the GTO. Sorry to hear that but you can't act surprised. Nothing in this world is free so what did you think you were getting for $7K off?

I have to go now, I want to go look on-line for some $399 plastic tubing. I'm having a tough time, I can't find anything over $20 so far. :crazy:


I'am not going to get into a shouting match with somebody who is obviously a "Hawaiian shaman" which means:

A Hawaiian priest or traditional healer -(wanabe) important person: an important or influential person.

I added the (wanabe) which obviously you are.

Let me see pictures of your brake cooling duct's and there "quality and function" and we will let the forum readers decide for themselves.

[BigKahuna13]

Wow. Great comeback. It still doesn't take away from the fact that you got reamed for almost $400 for $20 worth of plastic.

And I'll put one on of those pieces of junk on my truck when you can prove to me it works. I've never experienced one bit of brake fade and I definitely drive my truck harder than you ever will. Nice bang for your buck. What's next, a big spoiler on the rear to help with the downdraft? You will NEVER drive that truck to the point where your "cooled" brakes will perform any better than how it does now.

Oh, and you sound jealous. That's ok, not everyone gets to be the BK. But someone does have to be BK. Unfortunately it's not you. You DEFINITELY don't get to be BK. Ever. You definitely CAN go get your shinebox though, BK needs a polish.

BTW, I can back up all the talk. Can you? I've won National Championships both racing AND showing my cars. What have you done (except spend almost $400 for $20 worth of plastic that improves your truck not one bit)?

You should trade in that TB SS for a 6 cylinder Envoy before you hurt yourself.

Now I know why everyone slams TrailVoy, I came over here looking to see if there were any fun/cool/interesting people here and I get a lecture on how to drive a dealer beater mule. What a bunch of pussies! Now go back to Zaino-ing your disposable truck while the real men are out driving them.

[Hawaiian SS]

Wow. Great comeback. It still doesn't take away from the fact that you got reamed for almost $400 for $20 worth of plastic.

And I'll put one on of those pieces of junk on my truck when you can prove to me it works. I've never experienced one bit of brake fade and I definitely drive my truck harder than you ever will. Nice bang for your buck. What's next, a big spoiler on the rear to help with the downdraft? You will NEVER drive that truck to the point where your "cooled" brakes will perform any better than how it does now.

Oh, and you sound jealous. That's ok, not everyone gets to be the BK. But someone does have to be BK. Unfortunately it's not you. You DEFINITELY don't get to be BK. Ever. You definitely CAN go get your shinebox though, BK needs a polish.

BTW, I can back up all the talk. Can you? I've won National Championships both racing AND showing my cars. What have you done (except spend almost $400 for $20 worth of plastic that improves your truck not one bit)?

You should trade in that TB SS for a 6 cylinder Envoy before you hurt yourself.

Now I know why everyone slams TrailVoy, I came over here looking to see if there were any fun/cool/interesting people here and I get a lecture on how to drive a dealer beater mule. What a bunch of pussies! Now go back to Zaino-ing your disposable truck while the real men are out driving them.

If your ever in Hawaii, look me up, the beer's are on me:thumbsup:

[Chi-TownSS]

Anybody that reads Truckin' magazine, there is a article in the tech section(pg. 170) of this months issue that they installed these ducts on an SS. Tests showed no results in the first 5 stops, but then got better on the next 5 of 10 consecutive 60-0 MPH stops.

I don't see these helping much on daily driving, and I don't plan on doing any testing at Watkins Glen anytime soon.

I would put them on anyway, but I still can't see spending $400 for these, thats practically my month's payment.... for some plastic.:hissy:

[BigKahuna13]

Chi Town, what are you trying to say?

That the average guy won't slam on their brakes from 60 MPH six or more times in a 5 minute span? :yes: And that even after that the brake coolers only seemed to work better HALF the time? :)

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Hawaiian SS, I love Hawaii as you can tell. I've been nicknamed Kahuna since high school when we went there on vacation and I came back wearing an awesome array of hideous Hawaiian shirts to school. Been back a few times, Maui and especially Kapalua seem to be my favorites. Mahalo dude!

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Seriously, I have no problem with the brake ducts. It's your truck so do what you want. I may even do them some day, but not for that kind of money. Don't get me wrong, I have pissed away a lot of money on my cars over the years. A lot. I have learned to sit back and let other people try some of these mods first to find out what works and what's just pissing money away.

But one thing I'm not going to do it let some self-righteous guy who obviously doesn't know how the game works tell me about how to test drive a car. If I'm dropping $40K on a new truck I want to make sure I'm not disappointed.

I can't even imagine what his test drive was like. Did you check all the cupholders? Make sure OnStar buttons were clean? Make sure the buttons on the steering wheel were ergonomically correct? :D

Oh man I just can't stop. Someone take the keyboard away from me!

[travd]

Wow. Great comeback. It still doesn't take away from the fact that you got reamed for almost $400 for $20 worth of plastic.

And I'll put one on of those pieces of junk on my truck when you can prove to me it works. I've never experienced one bit of brake fade and I definitely drive my truck harder than you ever will. Nice bang for your buck. What's next, a big spoiler on the rear to help with the downdraft? You will NEVER drive that truck to the point where your "cooled" brakes will perform any better than how it does now.

Oh, and you sound jealous. That's ok, not everyone gets to be the BK. But someone does have to be BK. Unfortunately it's not you. You DEFINITELY don't get to be BK. Ever. You definitely CAN go get your shinebox though, BK needs a polish.

BTW, I can back up all the talk. Can you? I've won National Championships both racing AND showing my cars. What have you done (except spend almost $400 for $20 worth of plastic that improves your truck not one bit)?

You should trade in that TB SS for a 6 cylinder Envoy before you hurt yourself.

Now I know why everyone slams TrailVoy, I came over here looking to see if there were any fun/cool/interesting people here and I get a lecture on how to drive a dealer beater mule. What a bunch of pussies! Now go back to Zaino-ing your disposable truck while the real men are out driving them.


No come back needed as you proved you are a "know it all". Actually I paid less than $300 for it so get your facts straight first.

Secondly, who are you? never heard of you before. Oh yeah, that's who you are national winner of Bull S.

Thirdly, I am in the business of selling people stuff to make your vehicle win. Wait for the next eposode of "Pinks All Out" At Maple Grove Raceway. Out of the 350 cars that have entered, I have sold parts to about 30 of them, that I know of that are going to be running in the event so far. Don't even try to tell me I don't drive my TBSS hard. You don't even know me and where I live to know if I need the cooling duct's. I am seriously thinking about entering my truck in the Duryea/Pagoda hill climb this year here in Reading, PA.

Stop trying to be a know-it-all and seriously think about what you are saying before you say it. All, I said was I got my Brake cooling kit and some idiot can do it better but, haven't seen anything but, I have heard alot of BULL.

[mgawlik1]

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[SoCalSS]

So I have to ask.

Have you installed the damn things yet? Any pics?

[travd]

So I have to ask.

Have you installed the damn things yet? Any pics?

Going to do it this weekend no matter what! Look at weather.com and put in 18914 Chalfont, PA Today high 61, tomorrow high 33. Wonderfull weather in the north east. Will definatly get them installed this weekend with plenty of pictures.

[BigKahuna13]

No come back needed as you proved you are a "know it all". Actually I paid less than $300 for it so get your facts straight first.


Less than $300?

I guess you forgot about this post from page 1 of your own thread

I paid $350 but, I had to wait about 1 month to get it though.

You sling the crap in 100 lb bags boy. PIZZZZZOWNED! :raspberry

Now go get your shine box.

BTW, who cares if you sell stuff to racers? I actually race, I ain't the parts boy who supplies the racers.

Oh, and anytime you want to compare resumes on accomplishments behind the wheel of a car, put your money up. BTW, unlike your lies above, I have backed it up from the beginning in my sig. The link has been there since I joined up.

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mgawlik1, you are right, arguing on the internet is like humping travd. I am sorry I got sucked in to this, it will be my last reply on the subject. Unless of course I can't control myself if Mr. Liar posts again.

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$350? $300? Maybe by your next post you got it for $250?

[travd]

Less than $300?

I guess you forgot about this post from page 1 of your own thread



You sling the crap in 100 lb bags boy. PIZZZZZOWNED! :raspberry

Now go get your shine box.

BTW, who cares if you sell stuff to racers? I actually race, I ain't the parts boy who supplies the racers.

Oh, and anytime you want to compare resumes on accomplishments behind the wheel of a car, put your money up. BTW, unlike your lies above, I have backed it up from the beginning in my sig. The link has been there since I joined up.

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mgawlik1, you are right, arguing on the internet is like humping travd. I am sorry I got sucked in to this, it will be my last reply on the subject. Unless of course I can't control myself if Mr. Liar posts again.

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$350? $300? Maybe by your next post you got it for $250?


If I posted what I really paid for them I would get every cheap sucker like you wanting to buy them from me because they would be "cheap enough" for cheap people like you to afford. I up'ed the price so you wouldn't get jealous that I can get it so inexpensively but, I guess your just jealous anyways that I can afford it in the first place. A cheap MF'er like you can make something the same or better for $20 is just plain B.S. All I have to say is HA HA I have the real thing and you don't.

You wouldn't be racing if it wasn't for somebody like me. Your not the type of guy that built your cars yourself. I bet you paid somebody to build your car's haven't you? You don't have to answer I know the truth.

Also, advertising and selling product is not allowed in the forums.

And for my last post directly pointed to you, Being a 41 year old and talking the way you do is showing your lack of intelligence. I feel sorry for anybody that has to endure the embarrassment of a person that has such a limited supply of brain cells and diarrhea of the mouth. Move on and build your $20 brake cooling kit.

[mgawlik1]

Can the mods close this thread? It has gotten a bit out of hand, me thinks

[ScarabEpic22]

Can the mods close this thread? It has gotten a bit out of hand, me thinks

Yea, Im thinking so too. So one of you thinks they are a rip off, so do I but I would rather have them on my ride than some jerry-rigged setup that could some off and perhaps fly into the wheel or something and seriously f-something up. Thats just me, but I strongly believe in doing something right the first time because the second time usually costs more, a LOT more.

[Fishhunter911]

Thread is closed!!!