Looking for beta tester for 2002-2006 I6 fan kit [Archive] - Chevy TrailBlazer, TrailBlazer SS and GMC Envoy Forum

AlvinPCMforless

02-21-2007, 05:12 PM

ENVOY2LOW43

02-21-2007, 05:22 PM

Heck, if you were just in IL i would be on my way. What's the time frame for the kit to be available? I'm up for one. :woot: :woot:

Bodyslide

02-21-2007, 05:40 PM

I'm about 4 hrs away. I can drop it off on a Saturday and then spend the night in Charlotte and come by your shop and get the Case Relearn done....Let me know.

Gregg

deathbynosleep

02-21-2007, 06:33 PM

so what kind of gains are you looking for with the I6 fans? Would they be about the same as the SS kits?

RTM

02-21-2007, 06:36 PM

Damn, two cylinders too many......

Let me know if you need any SS volunteers..... :D

(Not Likely, I know...)

I've got to get up to S'Mooresville anyway. I'm shooting for late Spring when my schedule opens up.....

:woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot:

AlvinPCMforless

02-21-2007, 07:30 PM

umm.. We already have a SS fan kit! :crazy: :cool:

ieatglue

02-21-2007, 08:28 PM

Maybe if you take a sledgehammer to it, you can make an inline 8!! then just punch out 2 cylinders :crazy:

LMMJ

02-22-2007, 12:08 AM

Yep, looks like we are going to have a kit out very shortly.

I would prefer someone in the charlotte area that can stand to be without thier truck for 1-2 days. If not we will look for someone non-local.

Must have good attitude and willing to work with us.

What all would be needed for someone non-local? Would you fly out or just send it in and have us report back to you? I'm in northern IL and would be willing to help.

Maybe if you take a sledgehammer to it, you can make an inline 8!! then just punch out 2 cylinders :crazy:
or if you're good with a dremel :crazy: X2

RTM

02-22-2007, 02:49 AM

umm.. We already have a SS fan kit! :crazy: :cool:

Yeah, I figured....

I just wanted to pop in and say hi.

I've gone from putting a K&N filter in to considering your PCM tune/Fan Kit and maybe a CAI if it'll help bump the Highway mileage up past 20mpg. When I'm not standing on it, that is....:crazy:

ScarabEpic22

02-22-2007, 03:30 AM

I'll do it! Lemme know the details, and the approx cost!:D

Only requirements is that I have to be able to tow full capacity.

joe_jeep

02-22-2007, 03:37 AM

you go guys! the fan kits should be a big hit! id be interested in hearing how it works out. my factory fan is squeaking at startup on cold mornings now.
keep us posted. thx

Trailblazin

02-22-2007, 04:20 AM

is here a chance we could get rid of our manual fans if this kit comes out?? I need to replace my fan clutch but would rather spend it on this item and get more power and more cooling then replace it with the crappy fan clutch GM offered us!

AlvinPCMforless

02-22-2007, 10:20 AM

I'll do it! Lemme know the details, and the approx cost!:D

Only requirements is that I have to be able to tow full capacity.

I wouldn't use a Efan on a vehicle that tows a heavy capacity. you may be ok but you need the be the type of person who is going to watch coolant and tranny temperatures.

ScarabEpic22

02-22-2007, 08:46 PM

I wouldn't use a Efan on a vehicle that tows a heavy capacity. you may be ok but you need the be the type of person who is going to watch coolant and tranny temperatures.

OK, thanks for letting me know. I have EFILive, so when I tow I usually have it hooked up and logging the ECT and TFT PIDs to make sure Im not getting too hot. Even when I dont have FS V2 hooked up I still have my eye on the temp guage on the dash, mine seems to be fairly accurate, it will sure spike when the coolant gets hot!

And, usually when I tow its only for a brief time, maybe 30min-1hr around town and on hwys. I do drag my boat back from ID every year, so thats 330mi each way but its all hwy and in 3rd I shouldnt have a problem.

Let me know, and I dont think the towing thing will be a big problem as I have a trans cooler plus 4Klbs really isnt a huge load, if it was more like 5000+lbs all the time I wouldnt do it but since its not, Im game.

BTW, dont all new GMT900s use efans now?:undecided

AlvinPCMforless

02-23-2007, 12:12 AM

You would probally be OK. If you are interested in going further with it give me a call and we will work out the details.

Anyone else interested?

toster

02-23-2007, 12:23 AM

I am interested. I have EFIlive, and a 2004 TB with ~20k miles. Mostly just normal driving, but it does get muddy from time to time! :thumbsup:

lifeboatdriver

02-23-2007, 01:27 AM

I'm interested in helping as well. You guys have allways been good to me :)
02 4x4 TB w/ 80K miles. Lots of highway and some under 1K lb towing. LMK if I can do anything
:cool:

ScarabEpic22

02-23-2007, 01:44 AM

You would probally be OK. If you are interested in going further with it give me a call and we will work out the details.

Anyone else interested?

Will do, expect a call tomorrow afternoon (so a little later, probably about 4pm PST or 7pm EST).

Im so pumped for this!!! Booyah!:woot: :woot: :hail: :hail:

Trailblazin

02-23-2007, 09:10 AM

i'm down, but i live in Kuwait. HP Tuners over here, big tires and no towing at all.. again, with the use of the Efans, can we get rid of the fanclutched mechanical fan we're using if all goes to plan??

sk_trailblaz

02-25-2007, 07:26 PM

Yep, looks like we are going to have a kit out very shortly.

I would prefer someone in the charlotte area that can stand to be without thier truck for 1-2 days. If not we will look for someone non-local.

Must have good attitude and willing to work with us.

Alvin, for those of us who have the Westers tune, would we still be able to buy the 4.2 E-fan kit and simply have Lyndon retune the PCM to accomodate the new fan set-up?

ScarabEpic22

02-27-2007, 01:38 AM

Hey Alvin, sorry I havent called you guys yet, I forgot Friday and was gone Sat and then had to do a couple things around the house yesterday and today. Look for a call tomorrow afternoon though!

LMMJ

02-28-2007, 10:21 PM

Hey Alvin, sorry I havent called you guys yet, I forgot Friday and was gone Sat and then had to do a couple things around the house yesterday and today. Look for a call tomorrow afternoon though!

Did you call and set something up? I really hope this goes through :D

ScarabEpic22

02-28-2007, 10:29 PM

Did you call and set something up? I really hope this goes through :D

I called and PMed him, got a PM back today. We will see if this goes through, but I dont know if I can spend the extra dough right now, have to see how much it costs over just replacing the fan clutch (finally starting to make the airplane sound longer and longer on cold starts).

AlvinPCMforless

03-07-2007, 12:15 PM

Hey,

Whats the status? I forgot where we left off.

ghoster

03-07-2007, 12:33 PM

Hey,

Whats the status? I forgot where we left off.

Looks like we all forgot.:D Whats the status on your end? This is a project I have been waiting for for a while now.:cool:

AlvinPCMforless

03-07-2007, 12:55 PM

Looks like we all forgot.:D Whats the status on your end? This is a project I have been waiting for for a while now.:cool:

I'm ready to go! I think Scarb was still needing the fans.

I'm looking for someone who has Hptuners or EFIlive, that doesn't tow huge loads, and is willing to work with us. (See not be a pain in the ass :crazy: )

ghoster

03-07-2007, 01:39 PM

I wish I had one of them. I am patiently waiting for this....really....I am very calm. I swear I won't harass you at all.:D :raspberry

juventus1983

03-07-2007, 05:10 PM

put me in coach!
too bad your not around me

ghoster

03-07-2007, 05:15 PM

put me in coach!
too bad your not around me

tell me about it. I tried to talk the wife into letting me drive down there. But with travel costs, hotel room, and then the parts cost it would be too much.....dang it.:mad:

juventus1983

03-07-2007, 05:19 PM

yeah WAAAAAY too much. i wonder what were looking at for cost on this...

ghoster

03-08-2007, 05:35 PM

yeah WAAAAAY too much. i wonder what were looking at for cost on this...

You and me both!! I am SOOOO ready to rip that stupid fan and clutch out of my truck.

ScarabEpic22

03-08-2007, 11:16 PM

I'm ready to go! I think Scarb was still needing the fans.

I'm looking for someone who has Hptuners or EFIlive, that doesn't tow huge loads, and is willing to work with us. (See not be a pain in the ass :crazy: )

Yea, working on a set of fans now guys. Just cant decide if I want to spend the extra $$$ on a new set of fans now or later (if I get an SS I will swap them out).

Alvin, sorry man, I need to talk to you a little more about a couple tune things when you mod a PCM for me. But, as of now Im into this 100% everyone, money's a little tight but all available funds are going into this project now.

LMMJ

03-09-2007, 12:49 AM

But, as of now Im into this 100% everyone, money's a little tight but all available funds are going into this project now.

:hail:

this should be awesome!

ScarabEpic22

03-09-2007, 12:51 AM

:hail:

this should be awesome!

Yeah, Ive been checking ebay for LS1 fans, but most are either used and like $80 or new and $300+, but I might have to convince myself that a new set is worth it in the long run as they will be coming out when I sell my TB.

Edit 1:
Scratch that, just looked at ebay and a new set is like $190+ 15ship, so I will probably spend the extra $100 for a new set to make sure I dont have any issues, especially since Im one of the first ones of these out there.

Edit 2:
Does it make any difference if I get a set of 98-02 Camaro fans or 98-04 Vette fans? Im not thinking so, but there is a $10 difference between them on ebay, so just checking.

ghoster

03-09-2007, 12:55 AM

Yeah, Ive been checking ebay for LS1 fans, but most are either used and like $80 or new and $300+, but I might have to convince myself that a new set is worth it in the long run as they will be coming out when I sell my TB.

So we will need to buy our own LS1 fan? Or is this just what you are doing? Is there a harness involved?? Answers man I need answers!! Can you see I am a little excited about this??? Mine is sitting in the garage covered in dust, the rear bumper is off for some experiments. I could jsut start ripping parts out of the engine bay at any moment!!!!!

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/merenjay/chdance.gif

ScarabEpic22

03-09-2007, 02:14 AM

So we will need to buy our own LS1 fan? Or is this just what you are doing? Is there a harness involved?? Answers man I need answers!! Can you see I am a little excited about this??? Mine is sitting in the garage covered in dust, the rear bumper is off for some experiments. I could jsut start ripping parts out of the engine bay at any moment!!!!!

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/merenjay/chdance.gif

Going off of what Alvin has said, basically you need the exact same setup as the SS guys as far as hardware is concerned, there is a big difference in PCM tuning though (big surprise, right?;) ).

So, you need a set of LS1 fans, a PCM4Less wiring kit, and a PCM4Less tune. If Im missing anything here Alvin, let me know, okay? Pretty much what Im going to do is buy the fans on my own, then have Alvin put together whatever I need to do this conversion right and ship it to me.

ghoster

03-09-2007, 02:22 AM

Going off of what Alvin has said, basically you need the exact same setup as the SS guys as far as hardware is concerned, there is a big difference in PCM tuning though (big surprise, right?;) ).

So, you need a set of LS1 fans, a PCM4Less wiring kit, and a PCM4Less tune. If Im missing anything here Alvin, let me know, okay? Pretty much what Im going to do is buy the fans on my own, then have Alvin put together whatever I need to do this conversion right and ship it to me.

Are you just pulling the fan and clutch off and leaving it at that? I assume the fan shroud will have to come off and go in the junk pile. I hope all the fancy tuning works right.....with minimal bugs!

BullNettles

03-09-2007, 02:55 AM

Wish you guys were in TX, you could have mine in a heartbeat,

juventus1983

03-09-2007, 12:10 PM

Wish you guys were in TX, you could have mine in a heartbeat,

Yeah me 2. Maybe a road trip??
How hard will install be in wonder?!?

ScarabEpic22

03-09-2007, 07:30 PM

Are you just pulling the fan and clutch off and leaving it at that? I assume the fan shroud will have to come off and go in the junk pile. I hope all the fancy tuning works right.....with minimal bugs!

Well, not into the junk pile. It will probably end up in my attic along with my stock rear swaybar, intake, coil springs (and anything else Im leaving out). Its all going to come off when I sell my TB, unless someone wants to pay me my cost for the parts b/c I can probably use them again (TB SS).

Trailblazin

03-12-2007, 09:55 AM

so let's say once you've purchased the fans... whats an ETA of the kit going into production?? It's about to get hot and i just purchased another fan clutch from the scrap yard and it's already starting to get problems... so I seriously wanna get rid of my fan clutch and fan ASAP! ill get you 3 orders to kuwait guaranteed...

Bader

juventus1983

03-18-2007, 05:02 PM

any news :D

ScarabEpic22

03-19-2007, 01:41 AM

any news :D

Not much, my TB is in the transmission shop and has been since last Monday, hoping to get her back tomorrow PM. Then, later this week go ahead and order all the parts I need.

Alvin, expect a call mid-week from me regarding the efans.:yes:

Sorry for the delays everyone

juventus1983

03-22-2007, 01:48 PM

:sleepy:

haha

ylab

03-22-2007, 02:13 PM

So has the prototype been done with the efans for an I6? And if so, what sort of gains were seen?

Trailblazin

03-25-2007, 12:57 PM

hey guys, how's this coming along??

ScarabEpic22

03-25-2007, 09:06 PM

You guys are gonna hate me, I talked with Alvin last week and he changing the I6 harness a little bit but when I get on the phone and talk with him (last week was emails), all should be good.

So, Ive been procrastinating for too long, and I know there are a bunch of guys who want this and some are probably waiting on ordering tunes, so Im going to try and order all the parts this week so next week I can install everything.

idreama300

03-25-2007, 10:56 PM

So I assume you got the TB back from the trans shop and everything is working right now? You just need to get the parts and install it now?

sk_trailblaz

03-27-2007, 07:47 PM

For those of us who have the Westers tune, would we still be able to buy the 4.2 E-fan kit and simply have Lyndon retune the PCM to accomodate the new fan set-up?

LMMJ

03-27-2007, 08:05 PM

For those of us who have the Westers tune, would we still be able to buy the 4.2 E-fan kit and simply have Lyndon retune the PCM to accomodate the new fan set-up?

I doubt it. Lyndon would've had a kit out already if Westers had the tuning for it. When this comes out I'll have a stock, Westers and PCM4LESS tunes to compare.

Trailblazin

03-30-2007, 03:25 AM

ttt :p (As you can see I'm really anxious to see if this will work or not)

Trailblazin

04-04-2007, 04:44 AM

was this just a scam???

ScarabEpic22

04-04-2007, 05:33 AM

was this just a scam???

No, no, no, no!!!

Its my fault, blame me!!! :hissy: :hissy: Im serious, I want to do this but it kinda occurred at a really bad time. So much junk has been going on, Im still recovering from being sick since Monday and with work and all the everyday junk going on, Im sorry.

I vow to call PCM4Less later today (April 4, 2007) and order the efans harness and tune for the 2002-2005 4.2L I6.

juventus1983

04-04-2007, 12:22 PM

well get better first.

but then get your butt in gear and do this hahaha

TrailBlazzin

04-04-2007, 03:03 PM

curious to what kind of fan would work?? i think i would like to have this done as well.... want to start looking for a fan

pogbobo

04-04-2007, 03:13 PM

Going off of what Alvin has said, basically you need the exact same setup as the SS guys as far as hardware is concerned, there is a big difference in PCM tuning though (big surprise, right?;) ).

So, you need a set of LS1 fans, a PCM4Less wiring kit, and a PCM4Less tune. If Im missing anything here Alvin, let me know, okay? Pretty much what Im going to do is buy the fans on my own, then have Alvin put together whatever I need to do this conversion right and ship it to me.

maybe? sounds like an expensive project, well for me at least ... I'm still all about it tho, can't wait to hear about the results...

TrailBlazzin

04-04-2007, 03:17 PM

thanks must have missed that,

what would be the advantage of this one over let's say:

flexlit one (http://www.1motormart.com/parts/1/2002/2003/chevrolet/trailblazer/electric_cooling_fan/parts.do?t=T1162314251W4547820be57f0&k=02+03+Chevrolet+Trailblazer+Electric+Cooling+Fan )

pogbobo

04-04-2007, 05:15 PM

anybody?

I didn't even know they made that... even if you can actually order that, I would still rather wait for the guys at pcm4less to do it ... ;)

ScarabEpic22

04-04-2007, 06:04 PM

I just called PCM4Less a minute ago; it is really hard for me to get away and call them before they close. The time zone difference is playing the major part in this, but I will call back tomorrow and get it all figured out.

Once again, my bad for not seeing it was really close to 3pm (or 6pm est) and grabbing the cell and calling sooner. I really want to do this, and now that it is April my mod budget will go toward this.

BTW, any aftermarket fans will throw tons of SES and REP lights, thats why you need a special tune to get them to work. The flexlite fans might work if you can get everything turned off (cant even be done via EFILive or HPTuners...), but the reason for using LS1 fans is they are almost a direct bolt up (need some brackets) and are factory GM made.

TrailBlazzin

04-05-2007, 12:23 AM

thanks for the explentation....

i guess and ls1 fan would be cheaper too!!

:thx

GMtb42

04-05-2007, 11:23 AM

BTW, any aftermarket fans will throw tons of SES and REP lights, thats why you need a special tune to get them to work. The flexlite fans might work if you can get everything turned off (cant even be done via EFILive or HPTuners...), but the reason for using LS1 fans is they are almost a direct bolt up (need some brackets) and are factory GM made.

What ?

ScarabEpic22

04-05-2007, 05:53 PM

What ?

Cant just swap the fan clutch for efans. You will go into reduced engine power (REP) mode and limp home at >20-30mph.

For the I6 EFILive or HPTuners cant turn the codes off for this yet nor can they allow you to bolt up a set of efans. Has to be done in the PCM via hex editing (manually changing operating code inside the PCM).

idreama300

04-05-2007, 06:07 PM

Erik did you get ahold the Alvin today?

ScarabEpic22

04-05-2007, 08:50 PM

Erik did you get ahold the Alvin today?

No, I called PCM4Less at 2:35 pst and again at 2:55 pst and left a message. I cant get away earlier than that, maybe I will try to get up early tomorrow and call then.

GMtb42

04-06-2007, 12:22 AM

ScarabEpic22

04-06-2007, 01:02 AM

I have a 05 tune open in hex do you know which line the fans are at ?
2005 Chevrolet Trailblazer Truck Automatic LL8 4.2 Litre (PCM 12595726).tun , I opened it with hexedit , but don't know which line or lines to change , do you ?

Umm, I have no idea. I just know that EFILive cant do it and the only way to do it is via hex.

Ive never played with a hex editor before, but I downloaded hexedit now and Im going to play around with it (not flash it to my TB though...).

edit:
Just played with it a little, and i have no idea what values to enter, so Im going to not try this unless someone (who I trust) tells me what and where to edit.

ghoster

04-10-2007, 12:21 AM

Anything?

GMtb42

04-10-2007, 12:41 AM

Umm, I have no idea. I just know that EFILive cant do it and the only way to do it is via hex.

Ive never played with a hex editor before, but I downloaded hexedit now and Im going to play around with it (not flash it to my TB though...).

edit:
Just played with it a little, and i have no idea what values to enter, so Im going to not try this unless someone (who I trust) tells me what and where to edit.

From what I found out the Hexedit and Khexedit in Linux will open it but , you have to have the hex editor that the .bin or .tun was written with are you don't do any good . Did find reference to the types of hex program used to design the tune files but are all commercial in nature so cost big bucks .
But am going to ask some of my Linux friends and see if they may have any ideas .
Also , I found out that a Tech2 can do what is needed but talking someone into doing that might be hard .
Seen some post about the e-fans on other TBs and they said a MIL would show up but nothing about the Limp mode .

mijon61

04-12-2007, 06:48 AM

Any updates??

Jozuah

04-12-2007, 10:00 AM

fan roaring this AM. replaced it with one from the dealer here in town, its a loaner till this project is done. even the dealer guys are waiting!.

what stage are we at now.
Did you get parts and harness?

about how long is this going to take to complete? of course i totally understand logistics and all, and perfection takes time :WINK:(right alvin?) im very excited about this project and would like some time frame as to when we can order these give or take 2 months.

Josh:grouphug:

AlvinPCMforless

04-12-2007, 10:28 AM

TrailBlazzin

04-12-2007, 11:09 AM

alvin i sent you a pm...

ghoster

04-12-2007, 01:20 PM

Me and Scarab seem to be playing phone tag. I might just go rent a local I6 that way I can be sure its all working before selling.

Anyone who can be wihtout their TB for a few days and would like a free harness (you supply the fans) are more welcome to contact me. We are in charlotte area.

:mad: :mad: 2 weeks ago I could have driven down and stayed with my wife who was there on business. You could of had mine for a week!!! POOOOOOP.

Guess I have to wait now.:sadcry: :sadcry: :sadcry: I am blaming Scarab for this. Its all his fault.:D

Just messin with ya Erik.:cool:

TrailBlazzin

04-13-2007, 01:00 AM

would someone hurry up and test this setup out!!! I can't wait any longer.... my efan is on its way and seeing it sit in a box is just going to make things worse!!

ecniv

04-14-2007, 04:44 PM

Argh! I'm ready to buy! Fans are on the way! :suicide:

pcoffee

04-14-2007, 06:20 PM

Hello.
This is my first post

How soon do you think the e-fan fix will be ready?
will this be a add on module or a reprogramed PCM?

My clutch fan bearing on a 2002 trailblazer LTZ has gone out and I would like to use e-fans if I can.

TrailBlazzin

04-14-2007, 06:25 PM

well hopefully soon, I know i can't wait

ghoster

04-14-2007, 06:28 PM

They are working on it. I think they are as anxious to get it done as we are to spend our money on it!!:D

pcoffee

04-14-2007, 06:33 PM

I hate to ask a question that probbly all ready been ask befor

What happens if you use the e-fan and just let the SES light stay on.
and what is the MPG gain from a e-fan over an OEM fan. I read is a post some where that they got 4mpg more. does any one have any more info on this?

Thanks
sorry if this has been asked befor.

ghoster

04-14-2007, 06:48 PM

Actually, I haven't seen where anybody had successfully completed this project so far. So a true measure of MPG gains probably isn't available yet. No telling what the consequences of not having yuour PCM tuned for this would be. Since its not been done (on here at least) we will just have to wait and see.

If I were to guess, the MPG gains would be miniscule. The best way to increase mpg, is going to be a tune that was designed just for that purpose.

Jozuah

04-14-2007, 07:48 PM

mijon61

04-20-2007, 07:27 AM

Times a wastin!! Any updates??

juventus1983

04-21-2007, 08:04 PM

ummmmmm whats the deal?

AlvinPCMforless

04-23-2007, 12:17 PM

umm... so how did a request for a beta tester turn into some deadline to have them out!? We did a little more testing this weekend. All is looking good at the moment.

ghoster

04-23-2007, 12:25 PM

umm... so how did a request for a beta tester turn into some deadline to have them out!? We did a little more testing this weekend. All is looking good at the moment.

We're all just a little excited!!:D We (being the owners of the I6 eingines) generally feel neglected by the aftermarket performance parts community. So any little bit of attention gets us all worked up and excited!!!:p :dielaugh:

Envoy Fan

04-23-2007, 02:49 PM

We're all just a little excited!!:D We (being the owners of the I6 eingines) generally feel neglected by the aftermarket performance parts community. So any little bit of attention gets us all worked up and excited!!!:p :dielaugh:

So...you are saying the I-6 guys are easily excited when a new mod is mentioned???? :undecided

Sounds like a lot of pent up money just waiting to be spent. :laugh:

ghoster

04-23-2007, 02:50 PM

So...you are saying the I-6 guys are easily excited when a new mod is mentioned???? :undecided

Sounds like a lot of pent up money just waiting to be spent. :laugh:

Or in my case..... alot of low balance credit cards just waiting to be maxxed out!!!:dielaugh: :dielaugh:

ylab

04-25-2007, 02:03 PM

Hey Alvin,

Any chance you could share any more information about the testing? I'd really like to know what sort of rwhp increase we could be talking about for the I6 motor. If it yields the same 15 rwhp increase as the SS, that should be a whole lot more noticeable in the I6 vehicle than in the SS. (Greater % increase)

Thanks

ghoster

04-25-2007, 08:39 PM

mijon61

04-30-2007, 07:47 AM

Any updates?

speederscout1

05-02-2007, 06:28 PM

So...you are saying the I-6 guys are easily excited when a new mod is mentioned???? :undecided

Well yeah we all get excited about it, haven't you read the countless header threads, and how for some reason we always get excited even though deep down we know we're going to have to find a shop that will custom make them lol. I am excited about an e-fan kit, you think there's the possibility of getting a total package out (fans, harnesses, tune, everything else required)?

AlvinPCMforless

05-05-2007, 01:30 AM

Well, i've hit some pretty big problems with the whole deal. The 02-05's are almost definately out. The 06+'s where looking promising until I did one tonight and ran into some programming issues.

All the issues I'm having are software related the mounts, harness, etc. are all good to go for them.

ScarabEpic22

05-05-2007, 04:34 PM

Glad to hear its coming along Alvin!

Sorry we couldnt connect, but sounds like you are moving forward and getting them ready! If I dont get an SS this summer I will definitely be ordering one of them asap!:thumbsup:

Trailblazin

05-05-2007, 07:30 PM

The 02-05's are almost definately out.

Do you mean that in a good way or bad way as in they're out the window, no chance what so ever :(

ghoster

05-05-2007, 09:28 PM

sounds like a bad way to me.:sadcry:

juventus1983

05-06-2007, 05:31 PM

crappy

LMMJ

05-06-2007, 10:04 PM

The 02-05's are almost definately out.

that bites :hissy:

Bulldog

05-06-2007, 10:31 PM

Just got back in town and noticed your post Alvin. Wish you would have called me. You tuned my 2005 when I came up to your area at Harris Racing to get a dyno run and you put the tune on my TB that was in yours. My TB runs great and if you need it for a few days as a beta tester I can probably make arrangements.

ScarabEpic22

05-07-2007, 12:09 AM

Dang, thats not "on the way out" like I originally read (speed reading threads).

pogbobo

05-21-2007, 09:06 AM

any hope for us 06'ers :cool:

Im only a few hours from yall so I might be able to make a trip out of it ... I wanted to come down there to get tuned anyways :)

AlvinPCMforless

05-21-2007, 10:38 AM

It doesn't look good. I think I'm going to have to do it with a outside module.

pjaneiro

05-22-2007, 03:24 PM

I was looking into this thread, and from the thread on the ss, i see there's a 20hp and 15lbs tq boost ? on that engine ? What kind of issues are you running into ? i was thinking of removing the whole clutch assembly check the voltage that it sends across to engage and dis-engage the clutch and run a dual speed electric fan with relays and voltage regulators, we used to do this on old pontiacs and fords....

ghoster

05-22-2007, 03:42 PM

pjaneiro

05-22-2007, 03:57 PM

I got interested in this now !!!! LOL

i've found this, i hope this can help a bit
http://s-seriesforum.com/how-to-efan.html

My truck is in the shop to find out why the heck i am running rich, and i'm still waiting on my exhaust shop to finnish off my header, the racing season is about to start here, and they are busy as hell finishing off the hondas's the nissan's and other cars,

But i am still wondering what's the issues, what's the deal with the pcm here exactly, i thought it would only tell the clutch to engage and disengage at certain temps and let it run at certain speeds and lenghts of time,

ghoster

05-22-2007, 04:00 PM

Alvin should probably explain it. The fan has different speeds and conditions to run at. Tricking the computer to think its working isn't as easy as you would think. And if its not tricked, its going to turn on the CEL. He's been working on it for quite a while, and he is very knowledgable with this pcm. If he can't pull it off, its not likely to happen.:sadcry:

ScarabEpic22

05-24-2007, 12:05 AM

AlvinPCMforless

05-24-2007, 02:10 AM

Basically no one can turn the PWM viscous fan clutch off on the I6, cant seem to find the codes so when you unplug it you get SES and more importantly REP lights which basically means you are in "limp-home mode", or like 30mph tops even though everything is fine.

If we could just tell the PCM to ignore all signals from the fan clutch, then running a setup like that of the S10 or a standalone module would be simple, but since we cant its a nightmare.

I can get the FAN code off the I6 PCM. The problem is getting it to turn a relay on or off depending on temperature. Its totally different types of output.

I've got a outside module that will push the cost up a bit and not be 100% ECM controlled but will be relieable and such.

If theres anyone who feels confortable and who is able to leave thier TB at our residence for a week I'll be glad to install a kit. I do not want people driving far for this so locals only please.

ScarabEpic22

05-24-2007, 02:39 AM

I can get the FAN code off the I6 PCM. The problem is getting it to turn a relay on or off depending on temperature. Its totally different types of output.

I've got a outside module that will push the cost up a bit and not be 100% ECM controlled but will be relieable and such.

If theres anyone who feels confortable and who is able to leave thier TB at our residence for a week I'll be glad to install a kit. I do not want people driving far for this so locals only please.

Well thats good to know man!:yes:

Its the PWM part based on the temp setting that is messing it up now, huh? The P10 PCM is a little different than the E40 or E38 ECMs...haha:laugh:

ninesevens10

05-29-2007, 08:51 PM

I can get the FAN code off the I6 PCM. The problem is getting it to turn a relay on or off depending on temperature. Its totally different types of output.

I've got a outside module that will push the cost up a bit and not be 100% ECM controlled but will be relieable and such.

If theres anyone who feels confortable and who is able to leave thier TB at our residence for a week I'll be glad to install a kit. I do not want people driving far for this so locals only please.

Is Wilmington local enough? I have friends in Charlotte so I'm in the area some. I could drop it off one weekend and pick it up the next.

Envoy Fan

05-29-2007, 09:17 PM

Is Wilmington local enough? I have friends in Charlotte so I'm in the area some. I could drop it off one weekend and pick it up the next.

ninesevens10 you are going to be the hero for a lot of I-6 guys. :hail:

juventus1983

05-29-2007, 09:53 PM

you can do it!!

ghoster

05-29-2007, 09:57 PM

Git-r-done!!!:thumbsup:

ninesevens10

05-29-2007, 11:41 PM

Well, Alvin just needs to let me know the details and maybe something can be worked out. I have another car to drive for a bit, so thats not an issue really.

pogbobo

05-30-2007, 09:07 AM

aww yeah .... :thumbsup:

KNBlazer

07-01-2007, 03:18 PM

:hijackedthis would be nice if this setup became a realistic alternative to the clutch type cooling fan... in the next couple of weeks I will be installing a supplementary Be Cool 16" electric fan to the radiator and will control it through a rocker switch... the summer is here in Cali and can get a bit hot ... last summer temp gauge in rush hour traffic got all the way to 2 marks before RED... took it to the dealer and they said it is normal operating temperature, uh yeah right... I told them the TB was overheating and they said did coolant spew out ... I was like that is too hot for me to be driving around... they did the clutch repair a few weeks earlier and that fixed the hot A/C after initial start up... :hijacked

AlvinPCMforless

07-17-2007, 12:24 AM

pjaneiro

07-17-2007, 12:28 AM

That's great news, i was wondering about this today, i don't mind being a guinea pig, but i'm in montreal....Great way to test it out up here in the north ? no ? LOL, but seriously i was looking into making this with an external temp sensor, but if you have done all the job for me, GREAT ! so ? interested i am ....

ghoster

07-17-2007, 12:54 AM

Back from the dead.

I got a new way of doing this. I really have alot of faith in it. It requires more hardware than the SS kits and is not ECM controlled but it is a bullet proof, solid state, no BS way of getting great fan control.

Still need a beta tester. If I do not get one soon I'll be visiting my local rent-a- car company.

:)

Dude.... I think I love you!!!:laugh: I was sitting in mine yesterday... listening the "tick tick tick". Its getting more and more noticable!!! I wish I lived closer to you!!:woot::woot:

hatchet669

07-17-2007, 01:05 AM

if i was there i would let u take mine for as long as needed... how far away from chicago are ya?? lol:D

AlvinPCMforless

07-17-2007, 01:07 AM

GUYS PLEASE DON'T START WITH THE PMS

i'll let you know when they are finished I promise :)

Blazernut

07-17-2007, 10:01 PM

GUYS PLEASE DON'T START WITH THE PMS

i'll let you know when they are finished I promise :)

Insert WHEEL OF FORTUNE MUSIC HERE

And some patience ....... This is not the Mac Performance Website!!!!

Alvin WILL get it Done and WILL keep us updated! :D

:grouphug:

hatchet669

07-17-2007, 10:28 PM

i aint gunna pm u cause i know that when working it happens when it happens... lol

pjaneiro

07-24-2007, 11:11 AM

Well it's official, i am now the proud owner of a carrier jet...at take off peole are just amazed at how slow and grunty the truck goes, and on the highway they are even more amazed at the high pitched scream the beast does....

WE NEED IT ASAP ALVIN...

Come and save our poor souls...

LOL...

Gearhead2012

08-26-2007, 11:26 PM

I'm sure this has been answered in another thread...and I know I saw the pics of one installed, but what's going on with the test vehicle? Or the kits in general? I know PCM for less was going through a move...but I'm just curious...my fan clutch is about dead now too, and I only got 20k out of this one, so I'm definatly going to go with the conversion. I know we'll pick up some power, and maybe a touch of mileage too, and, I'm honestly not to concerned with the exact number...10,12, 15hp...it's all ball park anyway...my question is about actual cfm flow rates...which would flow more, a working factory fan clutch, or, these LS1 fans? Thanks