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Threader
03-17-2007, 02:21 AM
General Motors had known that its 2002-2003 Envoy (XL and XUV) and Chevrolet Trailblazer EXT may develop fuel leaks due to corrosion.


http://blogs.trucktrend.com/6203050/suv-news/leaky-fuel-lines-spark-gm-investigation/index.html

I hope all you good folks get a new FREE Tank and Fuel pump out of this ASAP.

Lets hope the General makes good on this :)

ScarabEpic22
03-17-2007, 02:49 AM
As much as I hate to say it, I hope my truck falls under that. I think I might have a FP issue.

cjputer
03-19-2007, 05:52 PM
I have on several occasions smelled gas and can't seem to find a leak......I wonder.....

GeorgeJL75
03-19-2007, 07:51 PM
hmmm...I just had this replaced three weeks ago. I reported by case to both GM and the NHTSA.

Menthol
03-20-2007, 10:34 PM
Thanks, I'll be keeping an eye on developements.

ieatglue
03-20-2007, 10:55 PM
I don't see any rust in the gas tank area, but it could be something serious. I hope we get a new tank/pump, I love driving the G6 rental...or the 06 impala :undecided

eckvoys toy
03-20-2007, 11:05 PM
id just like to have a new tank n pump n not pay for it lol

Blazernut
03-21-2007, 05:13 AM
Is the proposed recall just for the Ext models in those years? Why would the Ext models be more succeptable than the SWB models?

B.

Envoy Fan
03-21-2007, 09:44 AM
Is the proposed recall just for the Ext models in those years? Why would the Ext models be more succeptable than the SWB models?

B.

Different (larger) fuel tank on the XL/Ext trucks.

ieatglue
03-21-2007, 09:55 AM
We have the 25 Gal. tank. Is our fuel pump located inside the tank?

Doc Brown
03-21-2007, 03:30 PM
Thanks! I'll keep an eye for a recall notice.

Frostee
03-22-2007, 12:56 PM
this is freaky. yesterday, i noticed that the TB chewed through almost 1/2 a tank when i only did 55kms to and from work! :eek: :mad: and i noticed almost like a burnt gas/oil smell afterwards...

I'm eager to see if they do issue a recall and who it applies to...

EDIT: I just did a search on the NHTSA website, and found this. Search was done under my model TB (SWB):

NHTSA Action Number : PE07013
NHTSA Recall Campaign Number : N/A
Make / Models :
CHEVROLET / TRAILBLAZER - 2002-2003
CHEVROLET / TRAILBLAZER 360 - 2002-2003
CHEVROLET / TRAILBLAZER EXT - 2002-2003
CHEVROLET / TRAILBLAZER EXT 370 - 2002-2003
GMC / ENVOY - 2002-2003
GMC / ENVOY 360 - 2002-2003
GMC / ENVOY XL - 2002-2003
GMC / ENVOY XL 370 - 2002-2003
GMC / ENVOY XUV - 2003

Manufacturer : GENERAL MOTORS CORP.
Component : FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE: DELIVERY:FUEL PUMP
Date Investigation Opened : March 12, 2007
Date Investigation Closed : Open

Summary:
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/images/spacer.gif ODI HAS RECEIVED REPORTS ALLLEGING THAT THE FUEL PUMP MODULE (FUEL SENDING UNIT) CORRODES AND LEAKS FUEL. THE MODULE IS LOCATED IN THE FUEL TANK AND ITS TOP IS EXPOSED TO ATMOSPHERE. COMPLAINANTS REPORT BOTH SMELLING GASOLINE ODOR AND OBSERVING FUEL DRIPPING FROM THE TANK. ODI HAS OPENED THIS INVESTIGATION TO FURTHER EXAMINE THE ISSUE.

Aerostud1026
03-22-2007, 09:31 PM
I have on several occasions smelled gas and can't seem to find a leak......I wonder.....

Me too, the last time I filled the tank was a gas smell while driving...hmm....Im gonna mention that when I bring my TB in for service monday for my rear wiper, the motor went bad...and its still under warranty :D

Frostee
03-23-2007, 12:01 AM
the mechanics where i park at work mentioned the smell of gas and that the TB was hard to start when they needed to move it. it was like the engine was being starved. they noticed a puddle too when they finally got it moved. i hadnt had any starting problems until tonight, but the gas smell is getting more obvious.

i went by a dealership on my way home, they didnt have any time today and probably none tomorrow, so im going to book it in for monday. i also called GM about this to ask since it is under investigation, what my options are. im supposed to get a return call tuesday about it, and was told it was going to be looked into. but i still need the dealership to look.

i'll post when i find out more :)

myknyte
03-23-2007, 02:07 AM
hmm..

so if there's a recall on this, you think I can get an upgrade on my 18 gallon tank to 25? hehehe:hahano:

fireman2828
03-23-2007, 02:20 AM
Does anyone know if this would include '04 models built in '03? I smell gas every once in a while also. Makes me wonder if this is where my gas mileage is going:undecided

Frostee
03-23-2007, 07:00 AM
Does anyone know if this would include '04 models built in '03? I smell gas every once in a while also. Makes me wonder if this is where my gas mileage is going:undecided

that would only be determined by what years they decide got certain models of fuel pump assemblies (VIN ranges). do if yours eds up in that range, yes. if not, then it probably wouldnt be covered. (although im just guessing)

unkljon
03-23-2007, 07:24 AM
I posted a similar issue that my TB wont start right away. The dealer cleaned the wiring harness that feed the CP sensor and the knocks sensors. Its fine when i get it started, then drive and start it right away again. BUT if it sits for a while like overnight, it wont turn over right away.. I don't know what the deal is.. The only thing i changed was the battery, and did an engine degreasser

Frostee
03-23-2007, 10:56 AM
this is what im observing after the TB running for 2 minutes (pics are kinda hard to see the drips, but they are there).

at the rear of the gas tank:
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/frostee_ltz/gasrear12.jpg
and it's puddle:
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/frostee_ltz/gasrear2.jpg

the front of the tank:
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/frostee_ltz/gasfront12.jpg
and its puddle:
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/frostee_ltz/gasfront2.jpg

this, again, is only after 2 minutes after being cranked. before, the ground and underside were bone-dry :no:

Lmhsdaddy
03-23-2007, 02:31 PM
Almost all fuel injected autos have the pump in the tank. I hope they follow throught with this I wouldnt mind a new fuel pump. I had to replace one in my 2000 Suburban and it was a pain in the rear! Plus that pump ain't cheep.

ghoster
03-23-2007, 02:35 PM
this is what im observing after the TB running for 2 minutes (pics are kinda hard to see the drips, but they are there).

at the rear of the gas tank:
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/frostee_ltz/gasrear12.jpg
and it's puddle:
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/frostee_ltz/gasrear2.jpg

the front of the tank:
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/frostee_ltz/gasfront12.jpg
and its puddle:
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/frostee_ltz/gasfront2.jpg

this, again, is only after 2 minutes after being cranked. before, the ground and underside were bone-dry :no:


wow...thats rusty under there!!

Frostee
03-23-2007, 02:49 PM
wow...thats rusty under there!!

welcome to 5 years of canadian winters ;) we are the salt-using capital of the universe. they start spreading that stuff in august! (for here, rust like that is normal/common)

no worries though, my plan is to clean it up this year.



on another note, i did book the TB in for Monday. so i should here where the leak is coming from.

Frostee
03-26-2007, 08:36 AM
So I got a call from the dealership this morning. It is the Fuel Sending Unit (FSU) that is pumping gas onto the top of the fuel tank.

And it's almost 1200$ (CAD) to repair!

Jman423
03-26-2007, 08:46 AM
So I guess the recall is not quite in effect yet if they are trying to charge you, and I would also assume that you don't have an extended warranty either... That sucks.

Frostee
03-26-2007, 09:00 AM
So I guess the recall is not quite in effect yet if they are trying to charge you, and I would also assume that you don't have an extended warranty either... That sucks.

No warranty, since I bought used. And the investigation part is unchanged on the NHTSA website. Of course, since I'm in Canada, that may or may not affect us north of the border once completed (usually we'll follow the same recalls, but there is no guarantee).

I'm still awaiting a return call from Customer Service though, to see what they have to say since it is under investigation.

EDIT: Customer Service has said to keep any receipts of the work done, so that if it does become a recall issue, I can get re-imbursed for it. But since it is not a recall at this point in time, there isn't much for them to do.

Envoy Fan
03-26-2007, 09:56 AM
:undecided So instead of repairing it, one day it just goes boom :x

Crossroader
03-26-2007, 10:26 AM
:undecided So instead of repairing it, one day it just goes boom :x

And make sure there's no witnesses when you light the gasoline! :x

j/k of course, but it sure would make GM stand up and take notice!

GeorgeJL75
03-26-2007, 10:37 AM
According to the NHTSA website GM has until May 7th to respond with all of the info that has been requested. Given that time frame a recall wouldn't be issued until early summer at best. I too am waiting for this because I have a receipt for a $752 repair from last month for the fuel pump module.

Frostee
03-26-2007, 10:52 AM
Then if it does become a recall, watch haw we'll have to argue to get our money back... :x

garrettbowman
03-26-2007, 01:41 PM
I had the same problem with my pump but we dropped the tank, removed the pump, disassembled, cleaned and brased the rust holes and put it back together. But I want to get it fixed properly if the recall goes through

dsrtdukone
03-26-2007, 08:39 PM
I had the same problem with my pump but we dropped the tank, removed the pump, disassembled, cleaned and brased the rust holes and put it back together. But I want to get it fixed properly if the recall goes through


How long did dropping the tank take you? Did you disconnect the filler hose at the tank, or at the fill neck? Is there enough slack on the wiring to drop the tank to the ground before disconnecting? Thanks.

garrettbowman
03-27-2007, 02:31 PM
How long did dropping the tank take you? Did you disconnect the filler hose at the tank, or at the fill neck? Is there enough slack on the wiring to drop the tank to the ground before disconnecting? Thanks.

Well I was lucky enough that the gas leak started in my home town so I had access to a shop and hoist with a tranny jack. So we just dropped it far enough to disconnect the filler neck at the tank and remove all wires/plugs. If I had to guess I would say it wouldnt reach the ground without disconnecting lines. I also wouldn't wish this on anyone without a hoist and shop, its a real pain trying to line the tank up and connect everything. Without a jack and some room to work I think it would be almost imp.

Neglecting the time for trying to find a new pump and fixing the old pump I would say at most 2 hours with two guys and a new pump to change it out.

without a hoist I would say 6 hours and a real pain in the A$$

GeorgeJL75
04-08-2007, 11:36 AM
GM has been granted an extension by the NHTSA to submit all requested data. The new due date is 5/21/07.

Frostee
04-08-2007, 03:52 PM
it has taken forever to track down the proper part #. the original part is 88966950, but that part is no longer in use.

new part number is 88966952 for the fuel sending unit.

mine is supposed to be done Tuesday

LineNoise
04-09-2007, 10:39 AM
So that is all that has to be replaced is the sending unit? (That's a fancy term for "Fuel Pump" Right?)

You don't have to replace the entire tank, right?

rbarrios
04-09-2007, 12:14 PM
howd I miss this thread????
03 with 102K miles and no smell here. I will keep an eye on it.
Also- I thought that was mud - till someone said it was rust- wow.

blueblazer5_3
04-09-2007, 12:19 PM
Check the 07's...There is a TSB out for the 07 SWB Tb's. I said that If the tank had certain markings on it from the factory, they would replace it free of charge.

They did mine only 5 days after I owned it...

I'll try to get the info on here

Don

Frostee
04-09-2007, 01:32 PM
So that is all that has to be replaced is the sending unit? (That's a fancy term for "Fuel Pump" Right?)

You don't have to replace the entire tank, right?

Yeah, the sending unit only. All is contained in one unti. The tank itself is ok.

LineNoise
04-09-2007, 04:44 PM
Yeah, the sending unit only. All is contained in one unti. The tank itself is ok.

Alright, I have noticed a few times smelling fuel after filling up and I just figured I stepped in or spilled some fuel.

I have a feeling us Short Wheel Base'rs are gonna get shafted on this one...

Frostee
04-09-2007, 05:13 PM
Alright, I have noticed a few times smelling fuel after filling up and I just figured I stepped in or spilled some fuel.

I have a feeling us Short Wheel Base'rs are gonna get shafted on this one...

the investigation is looking into all models, both SWB and LWB models

garrettbowman
04-10-2007, 10:39 AM
I noticed (when I fixed my sending unit on my SWB) the tank design is horrible. The unit is sunk about 1" from the top of the tank. My unit was covered in wet dirt, mud... and, for me, salt for the most part of the year. The unit was covered in severe rust and I could push a hole in the outlet/return tubes with a bic pen.

I really hope GM isn't going to shaft us SWB guys cuz I've seen first hand how bad it can get.

Is there anywhere we can call to make sure they know of every single case of this problem ... even if we dont bring our truck to the dealer?

LineNoise
04-10-2007, 10:44 AM
this is freaky. yesterday, i noticed that the TB chewed through almost 1/2 a tank when i only did 55kms to and from work! :eek: :mad: and i noticed almost like a burnt gas/oil smell afterwards...

I'm eager to see if they do issue a recall and who it applies to...

EDIT: I just did a search on the NHTSA website, and found this. Search was done under my model TB (SWB):

NHTSA Action Number : PE07013
NHTSA Recall Campaign Number : N/A
Make / Models :
CHEVROLET / TRAILBLAZER - 2002-2003
CHEVROLET / TRAILBLAZER 360 - 2002-2003
CHEVROLET / TRAILBLAZER EXT - 2002-2003
CHEVROLET / TRAILBLAZER EXT 370 - 2002-2003
GMC / ENVOY - 2002-2003
GMC / ENVOY 360 - 2002-2003
GMC / ENVOY XL - 2002-2003
GMC / ENVOY XL 370 - 2002-2003
GMC / ENVOY XUV - 2003

Manufacturer : GENERAL MOTORS CORP.
Component : FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE: DELIVERY:FUEL PUMP
Date Investigation Opened : March 12, 2007
Date Investigation Closed : Open

Summary:
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/images/spacer.gif ODI HAS RECEIVED REPORTS ALLLEGING THAT THE FUEL PUMP MODULE (FUEL SENDING UNIT) CORRODES AND LEAKS FUEL. THE MODULE IS LOCATED IN THE FUEL TANK AND ITS TOP IS EXPOSED TO ATMOSPHERE. COMPLAINANTS REPORT BOTH SMELLING GASOLINE ODOR AND OBSERVING FUEL DRIPPING FROM THE TANK. ODI HAS OPENED THIS INVESTIGATION TO FURTHER EXAMINE THE ISSUE.

I noticed (when I fixed my sending unit on my SWB) the tank design is horrible. The unit is sunk about 1" from the top of the tank. My unit was covered in wet dirt, mud... and, for me, salt for the most part of the year. The unit was covered in severe rust and I could push a hole in the outlet/return tubes with a bic pen.

I really hope GM isn't going to shaft us SWB guys cuz I've seen first hand how bad it can get.

Is there anywhere we can call to make sure they know of every single case of this problem ... even if we dont bring our truck to the dealer?

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/recalls/recallsearch.cfm The on the side "File a complaint"


I would say start there. The case number is at the top of this post.

Frostee
04-10-2007, 10:53 AM
I noticed (when I fixed my sending unit on my SWB) the tank design is horrible. The unit is sunk about 1" from the top of the tank. My unit was covered in wet dirt, mud... and, for me, salt for the most part of the year. The unit was covered in severe rust and I could push a hole in the outlet/return tubes with a bic pen.

I really hope GM isn't going to shaft us SWB guys cuz I've seen first hand how bad it can get.

Is there anywhere we can call to make sure they know of every single case of this problem ... even if we dont bring our truck to the dealer?

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/recalls/recallsearch.cfm The on the side "File a complaint"


I would say start there. The case number is at the top of this post.

We could add the information to the NHTSA's info, but unfortunately, probably won't do much. Being in Canada, we have to file a complaint with Transport Canada, they do the investigations and so-on north of the border :)

link to the proper Transport Canada site: http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/defects/rsdefr_e.htm

Ky-Trailblazer
04-10-2007, 11:10 AM
I have a 2004 TB with 48,000 miles and just noticed a fuel leak within the past week. I have not had a chance to drop the tank yet. The leak seems to be more apparent when the tank is full, less so when the tank is 1/2 full or less.

ieatglue
04-10-2007, 11:38 AM
I wonder if they would work on our pumps of we drive down south to buffalo or something :undecided

Aerostud1026
04-10-2007, 02:51 PM
A few weeks ago I was noticing a fuel smell as well, but saw no leak.....I took it in to the dealer for GMPP work and it came back, i had a bad gas cap....turns out it was venting too much.....Anyways....I have a 03 so if it ends up happening I hope it will happen before 65,000 miles or I'm up the creek :( currently have 41,000

Frostee
04-10-2007, 03:05 PM
A few weeks ago I was noticing a fuel smell as well, but saw no leak.....I took it in to the dealer for GMPP work and it came back, i had a bad gas cap....turns out it was venting too much.....Anyways....I have a 03 so if it ends up happening I hope it will happen before 65,000 miles or I'm up the creek :( currently have 41,000

If it does become a recall though, and they cover the entire range of models, then you'll be fine regardless of mileage.

Any mechanic I've talked to though has said this should not be happening on any vehicle made since 2000.

itchyfishnv
04-10-2007, 04:59 PM
i just submitted a complaint, got the end of of course there was an error with their database. what a bunch of horse stuff. I have this problem so bad with my TB it leaks fuel like CRAZY. Its so dangerous I don't even park it in my garage when I fill it up because it smells up the whole house sometimes. It leaks at both the tank and the fuel filler neck. If GM doesn't fix this the next time I bring to service I am going to make sure I fill up the tank and when I drop it off have a butt and conveniently toss it under the truck when im done. I could easily stop at a red light and the person in front of me could have tossed out a cigarette and ill go up like Robert Dinero in Casino.

Frostee
04-10-2007, 05:36 PM
i just submitted a complaint, got the end of of course there was an error with their database. what a bunch of horse stuff. I have this problem so bad with my TB it leaks fuel like CRAZY. Its so dangerous I don't even park it in my garage when I fill it up because it smells up the whole house sometimes. It leaks at both the tank and the fuel filler neck. If GM doesn't fix this the next time I bring to service I am going to make sure I fill up the tank and when I drop it off have a butt and conveniently toss it under the truck when im done. I could easily stop at a red light and the person in front of me could have tossed out a cigarette and ill go up like Robert Dinero in Casino.

I have a pile of kitty litter in my parking spot in the building i'm in. now i have to go get rid of that stinking mess now that the pump is fixed (new fuel filter too).

Here's what the old pump looked like:
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/frostee_ltz/DSC00071.jpg

you can very easily see all the corrosion... the fuel was pumping out of 'top' sending line (the one that looks wet).

itchyfishnv
04-10-2007, 07:25 PM
Frostee did it leak gas while you were driving too or just when you filled it up? I never really checked I usually only smell it when I bring it home and put it in my garage after filling it up.

LineNoise
04-10-2007, 08:48 PM
We could add the information to the NHTSA's info, but unfortunately, probably won't do much. Being in Canada, we have to file a complaint with Transport Canada, they do the investigations and so-on north of the border :)

link to the proper Transport Canada site: http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/defects/rsdefr_e.htm

Sorry, I didn't notice you were Canadian.

Aerostud1026
04-10-2007, 10:58 PM
If it does become a recall though, and they cover the entire range of models, then you'll be fine regardless of mileage.

Any mechanic I've talked to though has said this should not be happening on any vehicle made since 2000.

I know, I meant however If I do get a fuel leak, I hope it happens while my warranty is still good...or im up the creek until it becomes a recall :worried:

Frostee
04-10-2007, 11:51 PM
Frostee did it leak gas while you were driving too or just when you filled it up? I never really checked I usually only smell it when I bring it home and put it in my garage after filling it up.

Only when I was driving. The pump had to be running in order for it to start leaking. If it sat there off, then there was no leak (only drips off the tank if I had been out in it)

Sorry, I didn't notice you were Canadian.

no worries, was just clarifying :)

I know, I meant however If I do get a fuel leak, I hope it happens while my warranty is still good...or im up the creek until it becomes a recall :worried:

warranty is good. I'm out $1K now until if/when it becomes a recall.

The_Intimidator
05-22-2007, 09:15 PM
http://forums.trucktrend.com/70/6253527/general-motors/gms-trailblazer-and-envoy-suvs-probed-for-fuel-lea/index.html

Isure hope they end up recalling these trucks and I can get this fixed for free it will be one more thing to cross off of my list of stuff to do and I can use the 4-500$ I was going to spend on the sending unit to purchase some new tires or something :woot:

Will this affect canadian trucks too? I sure hope it is not a american only recall, can they do that? Thanks

Frostee
05-23-2007, 12:03 AM
http://forums.trucktrend.com/70/6253527/general-motors/gms-trailblazer-and-envoy-suvs-probed-for-fuel-lea/index.html

Isure hope they end up recalling these trucks and I can get this fixed for free it will be one more thing to cross off of my list of stuff to do and I can use the 4-500$ I was going to spend on the sending unit to purchase some new tires or something :woot:

Will this affect canadian trucks too? I sure hope it is not a american only recall, can they do that? Thanks

$400 - $500 wont even cover the part... When i had this done it was almost $700 for the part, and after all taxes and labour, it came to $940. GM 'Goodwrench' wanted $1040 + taxes!

I'm hoping it affects Canadian models too (since they were all built in the states anyways). They can do recalls based on plant it was built at, VINs, area of sale, etc. it mainly has to do with the part used and when i think though (at least in this situation)

The_Intimidator
05-23-2007, 08:11 AM
It helps to be good freind's with you're mechanic and get you're parts at his cost :p I also hear there is a place in oshawa that has a aftermarket sending unit for 475$ That and I can do all the work myself :)

I did'nt notice the date on that I just read the article and it said it was starting today and I didn't see it posted already :duh:

Is there any updates on this recall/investgation yet? Thanks guy's

Frostee
05-23-2007, 09:30 AM
I've been keeping my eye on the investigation that the NHTSA is doing. Monday was the deadline for GM to have all the information they requested to them, but nothing new as of right now.

jhep30
05-27-2007, 11:59 PM
$745.00
Replaced the ASM. I was told that they were able to save the lines. If they had to replace the lines it would of been $925.00(Before tax). I heard you all mention the Fuel Sending unit, is the ASM the same thing?

jhep30
05-28-2007, 09:11 PM
ACDELCO Part # 88966952
MODULE KIT,F/PMP CYC CONT (W/O FUEL LVL SEN)
Rock Auto's price = $274.79
Dealerships price = $473.80

What a freakin rip-off.

confusedsoul
05-31-2007, 12:18 AM
03 TB EXT here. Sure hope we get to replace ours.

Frostee
05-31-2007, 12:50 AM
i kust checked the website... still no updates

dsrtdukone
05-31-2007, 01:20 AM
If all else fails, you can just replace the pump and sending unit yourself. I did it on my old TB for $145. I bought a brand new unit off of ebay, and installed it in just under 2 hours. It is very easy to change.

The_Intimidator
06-15-2007, 01:01 AM
Any update on this recall yet?

I am waiting to see what happen's with this. I asked my gm dealer and he said that if I do the work myself gm won't pay for the part or any labour not even if they do the work. How are you guy's getting stuff covered if you do it before the recall come's out? Thanks

Frostee
06-15-2007, 01:21 AM
nothing yet.

the gm tech is wrong i would think. if it does become a recall and its shown that this was your issue, then gm would replace all costs AFAIK. at least thats what the customer service person from gm canada told me.

as for getting the work done before the recall, it comes out of our pocket...

Doc Brown
06-19-2007, 08:12 AM
I got a letter from GM yesterday. Its not an all out recall where they automatically replace the parts. They describe the symptoms in detail and if you experience the problem you can take it to a GM dealer and it will be fixed for free. If you are not seeing the symptoms, you are not to take it in. However, they are extending the warranty to cover this problem for 10 years from date of original delivery or 150k miles. So if you're not having the problem at 85k, but see it later, you are still covered. They do not specify what will be replaced. Also there is a provision to get reimbursed if you already paid to have this fixed. They included a form to fill out.

GusMan
06-19-2007, 09:07 AM
I got the same letter as Doc. Filing for future use, if need be.

confusedsoul
06-19-2007, 03:00 PM
Same letter here.

Frostee
06-19-2007, 03:38 PM
I better get a damn letter! ;)

ieatglue
06-19-2007, 06:30 PM
Get me one while you're at it :D:rotfl:

tomvoy
06-19-2007, 08:26 PM
I just recieved my letter too.

MichEnvoyBoy
06-19-2007, 10:40 PM
I better get a damn letter! ;)

Yeah, same here! especially since my 02 'Voy has spent all 99,000 miles and 6 years of its life in Michigan with lots of road salt in the winter. I should crawl down there and see if theres any rust/rot on the module yet... :undecided:undecided

Frostee
06-19-2007, 11:20 PM
Yeah, same here! especially since my 02 'Voy has spent all 99,000 miles and 6 years of its life in Michigan with lots of road salt in the winter. I should crawl down there and see if theres any rust/rot on the module yet... :undecided:undecided

I've already spent over 1K$ fixin this problem.... I want my money back!

so I can do other things to the TB :D

ltbuick
06-20-2007, 12:16 AM
Just received my letter today.

MichEnvoyBoy
06-20-2007, 08:51 AM
You know I was thinking, if GM is reimbursing for fuel module repairs that were done previously, cant I just replace my fuel module from a preventative perspective and still get my reimbursement?? I mean, GM's not asking for the old rotted fuel modules back so how would they know if it rotted or not? You basically just need to submit a receipt for the repairs, right?

This might be an opportunity for other T360 owners who've had their fuel modules go bad (not from rot)! :yes:

tblazed
06-20-2007, 08:59 AM
Does this apply to the all of them, or just the EXT models?

Frostee
06-20-2007, 11:07 AM
Does this apply to the all of them, or just the EXT models?

it's all of them as far as i know... its not just happening to the EXT models

but i just noticed its only the EXT guys getting the letters (or at least theyre the only ones saying so)... thats not right if thats what they are doing

The_Intimidator
06-20-2007, 12:19 PM
can somebody post a copy of this letter so I can show it to my dealer? please

Frostee
06-21-2007, 11:04 AM
I just contacted GM Canada about the letters going out to American EXT owners, and they "haven't heard anything, nor is there anything upcoming that they know of" in relation to this.

I made mention that it is also happening in Canada, not just the US, and that it's not just EXT models. But I was reminded that GM (US) and GM Canada operate seperately from each other.

:mad:

Doc Brown
06-21-2007, 12:23 PM
I just contacted GM Canada about the letters going out to American EXT owners, and they "haven't heard anything, nor is there anything upcoming that they know of" in relation to this.

I made mention that it is also happening in Canada, not just the US, and that it's not just EXT models. But I was reminded that GM (US) and GM Canada operate seperately from each other.

:mad:

More importantly, its the US Government that would force a recall if GM fails to take its own action. If the Canadian gvmt takes an interest, you can bet GM Canada will be sending out letters.

Frostee
06-21-2007, 02:18 PM
More importantly, its the US Government that would force a recall if GM fails to take its own action. If the Canadian gvmt takes an interest, you can bet GM Canada will be sending out letters.

I'm going to be photocopying everything I have and sending it to our government to get them to maybe force the issue also. Especially considering all our TBs are made in the states with the same parts and everything. there shouldn't be any difference.

Viper12873
06-22-2007, 05:52 AM
I got a letter about this issue the other day... I posted it in a new thread you can find here: http://forums.trailvoy.com/showthread.php?t=27474

Frostee
06-22-2007, 11:35 AM
I got a letter about this issue the other day... I posted it in a new thread you can find here: http://forums.trailvoy.com/showthread.php?t=27474

Unfortunately, what I read in that latter is not this issue.

The issue in this thread has to do with the Fuel Sending Unit (FSU) leaking gas when the vehicle is on. The letter you posted is for the Inlet Check Valve (ICV) and only occurs when refueling.

Frostee
06-27-2007, 01:12 AM
reading the available documentation on the NHTSA website, there are a possible 800 000+ TB/Voys that this could affect :eek:

still no other word though...

The_Intimidator
06-27-2007, 02:04 AM
I'm going to call gmcanada tommorow and see what they have to say abought this issue. What would happen if I was to drive down to the states and have a gm dealer look at it? would I maby get it fixed that way? I had a nice chat with the service manager and the new owner at the gm dealer and they had not heard anything abought it or the filler neck cracking but the service guy new lol The new owner seem's pretty cool though got me the number for gmcanada searched threw his computer and made a phone call to find out about the recall I mentioned his suggestion was to call gmcanada and voice my concerns ask why there is a recall in the states and not here mention they are built in the same plant with the same parts and that I have the same problem.

Frostee
06-27-2007, 06:48 AM
I'm going to call gmcanada tommorow and see what they have to say abought this issue. What would happen if I was to drive down to the states and have a gm dealer look at it? would I maby get it fixed that way? I had a nice chat with the service manager and the new owner at the gm dealer and they had not heard anything abought it or the filler neck cracking but the service guy new lol The new owner seem's pretty cool though got me the number for gmcanada searched threw his computer and made a phone call to find out about the recall I mentioned his suggestion was to call gmcanada and voice my concerns ask why there is a recall in the states and not here mention they are built in the same plant with the same parts and that I have the same problem.


again, the cracked fuel neck and this corrosion issue are not the same thing...

but good luck with your issue. :)

Frostee
07-14-2007, 10:40 AM
found an update on the NHTSA website:

Date Investigation Closed : July 10, 2007

Summary:
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/images/spacer.gif ODI HAS RECEIVED REPORTS THAT THE FUEL PUMP MODULE LEAKS FUEL AND OR VAPOR UNDERNEATH THE VEHICLE. GM STATES, "THE FAILURE MECHANISM IS CORROSION OF THE FUEL PUMP MODULE FLANGE WHICH MAY LEAD TO A FUEL LEAK. CORROSION OF THE FUEL PUMP MODULE FLANGE IS THE RESULT OF THE VEHICLE OPERATING IN A CORROSIVE ENVIRONMENT." ODI HAS UPGRADED THIS PE TO ENGINEERING ANALYSIS (EA07-XXX) TO FURTHER ASSESS THIS ISSUE.

GeorgeJL75
07-14-2007, 11:19 AM
Is the fact that ODI has upgraded this to an engineering analysis a good sign that a recall is iminent? Seems like GM is trying their best to call this an "environmental" issue rather than a defect.

blu ya
07-15-2007, 01:04 AM
Is the fact that ODI has upgraded this to an engineering analysis a good sign that a recall is iminent? Seems like GM is trying their best to call this an "environmental" issue rather than a defect.


GM can call it whatever they like, comes down to a poor design. It should not matter if it's driven in a high corrosive environment or not, and something like this should not happen this early on. I would like to see GM go down the right path and do the right thing. Still, has anyone found out why this seems to be "only" affecting the long wheel based models and not all? :worried:

GeorgeJL75
07-15-2007, 09:02 AM
GM can call it whatever they like, comes down to a poor design. It should not matter if it's driven in a high corrosive environment or not, and something like this should not happen this early on. I would like to see GM go down the right path and do the right thing. Still, has anyone found out why this seems to be "only" affecting the long wheel based models and not all? :worried:

It covers all 2002 and 2003 TBs and Envoys including EXT and XL models. It also covers the 2003 Envoy XUV.

Frostee
07-15-2007, 12:28 PM
GM can call it whatever they like, comes down to a poor design. It should not matter if it's driven in a high corrosive environment or not, and something like this should not happen this early on. I would like to see GM go down the right path and do the right thing. Still, has anyone found out why this seems to be "only" affecting the long wheel based models and not all? :worried:

i've heard that the gas tank/fuel pump design changed slightly in late 2003 so that the newer models arent affected by this

jhep30
07-24-2007, 10:01 AM
Closed and re-opened! How long is this going to take?

garrettbowman
07-26-2007, 11:57 AM
GM needs to make this right. I have fixed mine by brazing it up but im not spending cash on a new unit until I know what they plan on doing

Frostee
07-26-2007, 12:02 PM
Closed and re-opened! How long is this going to take?

last is saw, the investigation is closed, its moved onto another area for further analysis....

GM needs to make this right. I have fixed mine by brazing it up but im not spending cash on a new unit until I know what they plan on doing

NHTSA needs to speed up their process too in this case.

njezrider
07-29-2007, 06:24 PM
Come on with it GM.
If I start smelling Gas in my truck(or see leaking) I may have to report it Stolen....And they May find it in the Show room of my Dealership...With the rest of the Total'ed Rides.

SLOWHITE
08-16-2007, 11:16 AM
I just came across thei thread, it may be too late but I found this:
Document ID# 1544575
2003 Chevrolet TrailBlazer - 4WD


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Subject: Vehicle is Difficult to Fill with Fuel or Filling Station Pump Shuts Off Before Tank is Full or Fuel Spits Back/Out When Filling Tank (Replace Fuel Tank Filler Upper Pipe and Lower Hose) #04-06-04-003A - (08/11/2004)



Models: 2003 Chevrolet TrailBlazer with 83 L (22 Gallon) Fuel Tank (RPO NNK)

2003 GMC Envoy with 83 L (22 Gallon) Fuel Tank (RPO NNK)

2003 Oldsmobile Bravada with 83 L (22 Gallon) Fuel Tank (RPO NNK)

2002-2003 Chevrolet TrailBlazer EXT

2002-2003 GMC Envoy XL

2004 Buick Rainier

2004 Chevrolet TrailBlazer, TrailBlazer EXT

2004 GMC Envoy, Envoy XL, Envoy XUV

2004 Oldsmobile Bravada

Built Prior to December 2003




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This bulletin is being revised to provide new part number for 2002-2003 vehicles. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 04-06-04-003 (Section 06 -- Engine/Propulsion System).


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This bulletin provides information on two different conditions.

Condition 1
Some customers may comment that their vehicle is difficult to fill with fuel or when filling, the pump continuously shuts off before the tank is full.

Cause
This condition may be caused by the variability (fuel flow rates, type of fuel fill nozzle, fuel properties) at the filling stations. There is a potential to develop an increase in back pressures internal to the fuel fill neck. This back pressure trips the fuel nozzle prior to filling the tank, or results in a hard to fill condition.

Condition 2
Some customers may comment that when filling the fuel tank, a small amount of fuel may spit back/out.

Cause
This condition may be caused by the equalization of pressure between the fuel tank and the fuel fill neck that does not react quickly to the variance in the pressure when the fueling station fuel nozzle trips off.

Correction
Replace the fuel tank filler upper pipe assembly with P/N 88983256 or P/N 15131043, and lower hose assembly with P/N 15131046. The new upper pipe has been redesigned to provide smoother flow conditions within the section and the lower hose has been redesigned to include a checking feature. Use the procedure listed below.

Remove the fuel fill cap.
Remove the fuel fill pipe housing.



Remove the fuel fill pipe bracket nut (2).
Raise and suitably support the vehicle. Refer to Lifting and Jacking the Vehicle in the General Information sub-section of the Service Manual (SI Document ID #744862).
Remove the fuel fill pipe ground strap bolt.
Cut off the ground strap ring terminal and tie strap.



Loosen the fuel hose clamp (8).
Remove the fuel fill upper pipe (7) from the vehicle.
Install the new fuel fill upper pipe into the vehicle. Use P/N 88983256 for 2002-2003 model year vehicles or P/N 15131043 for 2004 model year vehicles.
Tighten the fuel hose clamp.
Tighten
Tighten the clamp to 2.5 Nm (22 lb in).

Wrap the excess length of ground strap around the fuel hose as necessary.
Install the fuel fill pipe ground strap bolt in its original location.
Loosen the fuel hose clamps (1,3).
Remove the lower fuel hose (2) from the vehicle.
Install the new lower fuel hose into the vehicle.
Tighten the lower fuel hose clamps.
Tighten
Tighten the clamps to 2.5 Nm (22 lb in).

Lower the vehicle.
Install the fuel fill pipe bracket nut.
Tighten
Tighten the nut to 10 Nm (89 lb in).

Install the fuel fill pipe housing.
Install the fuel fill cap.
Parts Information
Part Number
Description
Qty

88983256
Pipe Asm - F/Tank Fill (2002-2003 vehicles)
1

15131043
Pipe Asm - F/Tank Fill (2004 vehicles)
1

15131046
Hose - F/Tank Fill
1


Parts are expected to be available from GMSPO on August 13, 2004.

Warranty Information
For vehicles repaired under warranty, use:

Labor Operation
Description
Labor Time

L9701*
Fuel Tank Filler Upper Pipe and Lower Hose - Replace
0.5 hr


*This is a unique labor operation number for use only with this bulletin. This number will not be published in the Labor Time Guide.



GM bulletins are intended for use by professional technicians, NOT a "do-it-yourselfer". They are written to inform these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or to provide information that could assist in the proper service of a vehicle. Properly trained technicians have the equipment, tools, safety instructions, and know-how to do a job properly and safely. If a condition is described, DO NOT assume that the bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle will have that condition. See your GM dealer for information on whether your vehicle may benefit from the information.
WE SUPPORT VOLUNTARY TECHNICIAN CERTIFICATION


Copyright General Motors Corporation. All Rights Reserved.


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Document ID# 1544575
2003 Chevrolet TrailBlazer - 4WD

blu ya
08-16-2007, 02:00 PM
That's a totally different issue/TSB than what this thread is about. Hopefully soon GM will get off their rear ends and do what's right---RECALL!!! :hissy:

SLOWHITE
08-16-2007, 02:54 PM
Sorry, there is/was a bulletin extending the warr on the gas tanks because of a crack at the neck portion of the tank. Sorry, but I can't seem to find it, as soon as I do, I will post it. Sorry again.

SLOWHITE
08-16-2007, 02:56 PM
taadaaa,
Document ID# 1985459
2003 Chevrolet TrailBlazer - 4WD


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Subject: Special Coverage Adjustment - Fuel Tank Inlet Check Valve Fracture #07099 - (06/07/2007)



Models: 2002-2004 CHEVROLET TRAILBLAZER EXT

2002-2004 GMC ENVOY XL

2004 GMC ENVOY XUV




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Condition
Some customers of 2002-2004 Chevrolet TrailBlazer EXT and GMC Envoy XL, and 2004 GMC Envoy XUV vehicles may comment on an SES light illumination, which may be accompanied by a fuel odor, and/or a few drops of fuel on the ground when refueling the vehicle. This may be caused by a fracture of a weld on the fuel tank inlet check valve (ICV). The ICV is located above the full fuel level. A fracture in this area may allow fuel vapors to pass through and allow droplets of fuel to accumulate on the side of the fuel tank as it passes over the fracture during refueling.

Special Coverage Adjustment
This special coverage covers the condition described above for a period of 10 years or 150,000 miles (240,000 km), whichever occurs first, from the date the vehicle was originally placed in service, regardless of ownership. The repairs will be made at no charge to the customer.

For vehicles covered by Vehicle Service Contracts, all eligible claims with repair orders on or after June 8, 2007, are covered by this special coverage and must be submitted using the labor operation codes provided with this bulletin. Claims with repair orders prior to June 8, 2007, must be submitted to the Service Contract provider.

Vehicles Involved
Involved are certain 2002-2004 Chevrolet TrailBlazer EXT and GMC Envoy XL, and 2004 GMC Envoy XUV vehicles built within the following VIN breakpoints:

Year
Division
Model
From
Through

2002
Chevrolet
TrailBlazer EXT
22442652
22460353

26100010
26138714

2003
Chevrolet
TrailBlazer EXT
32100002
32229743

36100001
36246835

2004
Chevrolet
TrailBlazer EXT
46100116
46119631

2002
GMC
Envoy XL
22437217
22460354

26100018
26138713

2003
GMC
Envoy XL
32100013
32191834

36100011
36246828

2004
GMC
Envoy XL
46100127
46119624

2004
GMC
Envoy XUV
46100001
46116824


Parts Information
Parts required to complete this special coverage are to be obtained from General Motors Service and Parts Operations (GMSPO).

Part Number
Description
Qty/ Vehicle

15229310
Tank, Fuel
1

15034832
Seal, Fuel Sdr (O-ring)
1


Customer Notification
General Motors will notify customers of this special coverage on their vehicles (see copy of typical customer letter included with this bulletin - actual divisional letter may vary slightly).

Service Procedure
Refer to the appropriate service procedure in SI to replace the fuel tank.

Claim Information
For vehicles repaired under the terms of this special coverage, submit a claim with the information indicated below:

Repair Performed
Part Count
Part No.
Parts Allow
CC-FC
Labor Op
Labor Hours
Net Item

Replace Fuel Tank
2
--
*
MK-95
T5663
2.0
N/A

Customer Reimbursement (Canadian & Export Deaers/US CAC)
N/A
N/A
N/A
MK-95
T5664
0.2
**

* The "Parts Allowance" should be the sum total of the current GMSPO Dealer net price plus applicable Mark-Up or Landed Cost Mark-Up (for Export) for the fuel tank and seal needed to complete the repair.

** The amount identified in the "Net Item" column should represent the customer reimbursement amount.


Customer Reimbursement - For US
All customer requests for reimbursement for previous repairs for the special coverage condition will be handled by the Customer Assistance Center, not by dealers.

A General Motors Customer Reimbursement Procedure and Claim Form is included with the customer letter.

Important: Refer to the GM Service Policies and Procedures Manual, section 6.1.12, for specific procedures regarding customer reimbursement and the form.

Customer Reimbursement - For Canada and Export
Customer requests for reimbursement of previously paid repairs to correct the condition described in this bulletin are to be submitted to the dealer prior to or by June 30, 2008. Repairs must have occurred within the 10 years of the date the vehicle was originally placed in service, or 240,000 km, whichever occurs first.

When a customer requests reimbursement, they must provide the following:

Proof of ownership at time of repair.


Original paid receipt confirming the amount of unreimbursed repair expense(s) (including Service Contract deductibles), a description of the repair, and the person or entity performing the repair.


If the work was done by someone other than a GM dealership, the amount of reimbursement will be limited to the amount that the repair would have cost GM to have it completed by a GM dealership.

June 2007
Dear General Motors Customer:

As the owner of a 2002, 2003, or 2004 model year Chevrolet TrailBlazer EXT or GMC Envoy XL, or 2004 model year GMC Envoy XUV, your satisfaction with our product is very important to us.

This letter is intended to make you aware that some 2002, 2003, and 2004 model year Chevrolet TrailBlazer EXT and GMC Envoy XL, and 2004 model year GMC Envoy XUV vehicles may have a condition where the Service Engine Soon (SES) light may illuminate, which may be accompanied with a fuel odor, and/or a few drops of fuel may fall on the ground when refueling the vehicle. This may be caused by a fracture of a weld on the fuel tank inlet check valve (ICV). The fuel tank ICV is located above the full fuel level. A fracture in this area may allow fuel vapors to pass through and allow droplets of fuel to accumulate on the side of the fuel tank as it passes over the fracture during refueling.

SES light activation does not necessarily indicate a condition due to the fuel tank ICV fracture. Except when SES light activation is accompanied by the additional conditions mentioned (i.e., fuel odor and/or a few drops of fuel on the ground during refueling), please consult your Owners Manual.

Do not take your vehicle to your GM dealer as a result of this letter unless you believe that your vehicle has the condition as described above.

What We Have Done: General Motors is providing owners with additional protection for the fuel tank ICV. If this condition occurs on your 2002, 2003, or 2004 model year Chevrolet TrailBlazer EXT or GMC Envoy XL, or 2004 model year GMC Envoy XUV within 10 years of the date your vehicle was originally placed in service or 150,000 miles (240,000 km), whichever occurs first, the condition will be repaired for you at no charge .

What You Should Do: Repairs and adjustments qualifying under this special coverage must be performed by a General Motors dealer. You may want to call the service department at your dealer to find out how long they will need to have your vehicle so that you may schedule the appointment at a time that is convenient for you. This will also allow your dealer to order parts if they are not already in stock. Keep this letter with your other important glove box literature for future reference.

Reimbursement: The enclosed form explains what reimbursement is available and how to request reimbursement if you have paid for repairs for the special coverage condition.

If you have any questions or need any assistance, just contact your dealer or the appropriate Customer Assistance Center between the hours of 8:00 AM and 11:00 PM, EST, Monday through Friday. They can be reached at the number listed below.

Division
Number
Text Telephones (TTY)

Chevrolet
1-800-630-2438
1-800-833-2438

GMC
1-866-996-9463
1-800-462-8583

Guam
1-671-648-8650


Puerto Rico - English
1-800-496-9992


Puerto Rico - Espaol
1-800-496-9993


Virgin Islands
1-800-496-9994



We are sorry for any inconvenience you may experience; however we have taken this action in the interest of your continued satisfaction with our products.

Scott Lawson

General Director,

Customer and Relationship Services

Enclosure

07099



GM bulletins are intended for use by professional technicians, NOT a "do-it-yourselfer". They are written to inform these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or to provide information that could assist in the proper service of a vehicle. Properly trained technicians have the equipment, tools, safety instructions, and know-how to do a job properly and safely. If a condition is described, DO NOT assume that the bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle will have that condition. See your GM dealer for information on whether your vehicle may benefit from the information.
WE SUPPORT VOLUNTARY TECHNICIAN CERTIFICATION


Copyright General Motors Corporation. All Rights Reserved.


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Document ID# 1985459
2003 Chevrolet TrailBlazer - 4WD

Frostee
08-16-2007, 03:18 PM
the second one has to do with the letters people are getting lately about it. again, not the corrosion issue. last time i checked, it was sent to have an 'Engineering Analysis' done by the NHTSA, so no resolution has come yet.

GeorgeJL75
09-16-2007, 11:55 AM
The Engineering Analysis is moving forward. GM has to submit all technical data and pertinent information by October 24, 2007. NHTSA has received numerous additional complaints regarding the issue of the leaking fuel pump module so this is very promising now.

JOETENO2
10-18-2007, 02:19 AM
Well, I purchased my Voy in June of this year from a guy in Cali. I told the guy to take pictures when the transport truck picked it up. When the vehicle las being loaded, fuel started leaking. While in transport to me, owner received letter from GM. Ever since I had it, I had a fuel fume smell. I had my Onstar update done and dealership "flushed" my codes out and said that the "recall" couldn't be done without codes. Last week my "light" came back on so i called Onstar to run a diagnostic. The code was there so I called GMC. The "guy" acted like I was talking french until I mentioned "i think it is a safety issue" to which he replied "what are you looking for?" humorously. I responded "if I blow up in my vehicle after this conversation, GM will know I called about this issue and Onstar has a recorded conversation of me explaining my vehicle's problems before they ran the diagnostics" to which he replied "which dealership is closest to you" and made my appointment himself. I dropped my vehicle off on 10/16 for my 10/17 am appointment. The service tech acted like he never heard of a tank recall and argued me down. On 10/17, my tank is ordered but my vehicle is still there for "the guy" to come and inspect it.:yes:

JOETENO2
10-18-2007, 04:12 PM
Update!:woot: The GM guy called the dealership and I'm getting a new tank. The bad news is that they told me that it is on national back order. My service tech told me that the GM people advised not to drive vehicle on the highway. Go figure! With that said, maybe GM should pay for rentals for the many owners affected by this "silent recall". I figure that would speed up the process of getting the fuel tanks!

JMal
10-18-2007, 06:03 PM
Please keep the rest of us updated. Thanks.

Trail02Blazer
10-18-2007, 06:44 PM
this is freaky. yesterday, i noticed that the TB chewed through almost 1/2 a tank when i only did 55kms to and from work! :eek: :mad: and i noticed almost like a burnt gas/oil smell afterwards...

I'm eager to see if they do issue a recall and who it applies to...

EDIT: I just did a search on the NHTSA website, and found this. Search was done under my model TB (SWB):

NHTSA Action Number : PE07013
NHTSA Recall Campaign Number : N/A
Make / Models :
CHEVROLET / TRAILBLAZER - 2002-2003
CHEVROLET / TRAILBLAZER 360 - 2002-2003
CHEVROLET / TRAILBLAZER EXT - 2002-2003
CHEVROLET / TRAILBLAZER EXT 370 - 2002-2003
GMC / ENVOY - 2002-2003
GMC / ENVOY 360 - 2002-2003
GMC / ENVOY XL - 2002-2003
GMC / ENVOY XL 370 - 2002-2003
GMC / ENVOY XUV - 2003

Manufacturer : GENERAL MOTORS CORP.
Component : FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE: DELIVERY:FUEL PUMP
Date Investigation Opened : March 12, 2007
Date Investigation Closed : Open

Summary:
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/images/spacer.gif ODI HAS RECEIVED REPORTS ALLLEGING THAT THE FUEL PUMP MODULE (FUEL SENDING UNIT) CORRODES AND LEAKS FUEL. THE MODULE IS LOCATED IN THE FUEL TANK AND ITS TOP IS EXPOSED TO ATMOSPHERE. COMPLAINANTS REPORT BOTH SMELLING GASOLINE ODOR AND OBSERVING FUEL DRIPPING FROM THE TANK. ODI HAS OPENED THIS INVESTIGATION TO FURTHER EXAMINE THE ISSUE.





HEY GUY, i was wondering, did you get this problem fix? Because im experiencing the same problem man. I dont drive no where. From home to work and back. I also noticed that sometimes when I take off driving, the fuel gauge moves to E then the light comes on. Then as I drive, it gradually moves back to the normal position. Does anyone kno if the sending unit can be causing this? Also if i go to the gas station and fill the tank, start the vehicle it reads empty when i kno i had jus filled the tank. Its so freaky man that I dont kno if im making any sense here:confused::crazy: anyway lata guys :thx

Frostee
10-18-2007, 10:09 PM
HEY GUY, i was wondering, did you get this problem fix? Because im experiencing the same problem man. I dont drive no where. From home to work and back. I also noticed that sometimes when I take off driving, the fuel gauge moves to E then the light comes on. Then as I drive, it gradually moves back to the normal position. Does anyone kno if the sending unit can be causing this? Also if i go to the gas station and fill the tank, start the vehicle it reads empty when i kno i had jus filled the tank. Its so freaky man that I dont kno if im making any sense here:confused::crazy: anyway lata guys :thx

it wasnt really the gas guage that told me it was wonky, it was the smell of gas and the puddles forming under the TB when running. if you're getting that, then you may have this problem. i did get it fixed, replaced the fuel pump. wasn't cheap either.

last i saw, this is still being investigated by NHTSA. still awaiting the results of their investigation.

JOETENO2
10-19-2007, 02:06 AM
I forgot to mention that the GMC people are scheduled to call me for a follow-up today at about 11am. After the call I will post more info. The easy way to force GM's hand is to do like i did. If you have Onstar and your service engine light is on, tell them that you are having a gas smell around your vehicle which is true. Then you ask them to run a check to see why the service engine light is on. Remember, everything done on Onstar is recorded and documented. They will ask you if your gas cap is tight(which it is). After you talk to Onstar, call GMC or Chevy on the number provided on the wallet card that came with your vehicle. After the guy asks you some questions semi-jokingly, tell him that you think this is a safety issue. He will then go as far as to ask "what are you looking for from them?" to which you reply "I'm just concerned for my safety!" in a nice way. He may suggest that you make an appointment or he may do it his self(like for me). They will ask for a name of a dealership of your choice to bring it in to get checked. Make sure that you have no undercarriage damage near the tank as the service manager(who doesn't know about the "recall") told me that no warranty will be given.

JOETENO2
10-19-2007, 12:53 PM
Okay, here's the update. The guy I talked with was Doug. He was very friendly. He mentioned that him and another guy at GM called the dealership and spoke with my service advisor to tell them what to look for. My Envoy passed the test. He went on to say that "I'm really lucky because GM extended the warranty on the fuel tanks on my vehicle"(all of the alleged affected xl's & ext's. He said that it isn't a national recall but the extended warranty on the tanks covers the possibility of defect:duh:. The tanks may take from 2 days up to 2 weeks to get in due to the demand for them. He said most people are buying and replacing them:weird: on their own. So, if you want to get the "warranty replacement" done, do the Onstar thing first followed by the call to GMC or Chevy and express the safety of you and your family. I was also told(don't quote me on this) that they will replace associated parts with the tank change. Remember to speak nicely and courteously but state your safety concerns. It's that easy!:thumbsup:

Frostee
10-19-2007, 01:20 PM
Okay, here's the update. The guy I talked with was Doug. He was very friendly. He mentioned that him and another guy at GM called the dealership and spoke with my service advisor to tell them what to look for. My Envoy passed the test. He went on to say that "I'm really lucky because GM extended the warranty on the fuel tanks on my vehicle"(all of the alleged affected xl's & ext's. He said that it isn't a national recall but the extended warranty on the tanks covers the possibility of defect:duh:. The tanks may take from 2 days up to 2 weeks to get in due to the demand for them. He said most people are buying and replacing them:weird: on their own. So, if you want to get the "warranty replacement" done, do the Onstar thing first followed by the call to GMC or Chevy and express the safety of you and your family. I was also told(don't quote me on this) that they will replace associated parts with the tank change. Remember to speak nicely and courteously but state your safety concerns. It's that easy!:thumbsup:

your issue is probably the cracked weld on the ICV.

SLOWHITE posted a copy of the letter for it, but it is not the same issue as being discussed with the corroded sending units (fuel pump).

good to get it fixed though, and that you caught it early on :)

JOETENO2
10-19-2007, 03:03 PM
The fuel tank leak I think is general considering they never dropped my tank. My neighbor's son works at the dealership my vehicle went to. He said yesterday when the advisor was on the phone with GM, he was looking in two areas around my tank. The thing is with mine is that every associated part with my tank is getting replaced. But still, if you express a genuine concern for your safety to GM, I think you'll have the same results I'm getting. I forgot to mention that the GM guy is going to give me another follow-up call next friday as well. Gotta love em!

JOETENO2
10-19-2007, 07:14 PM
I forgot to mention the GMC number which is 1-800-GMC-8782. After talking to an advisor, they will give you a case number and a number to reach them(866-790-5600) along with their 5 digit extension

JOETENO2
10-30-2007, 10:54 PM
UPDATE: My new fuel tank and stuff arrived at the dealership today. My Envoy has a date friday morning to get it changed out. The GM guy called me last friday and yesterday to "see how I am holding up" as he says. He is also going to make my appointment for my 05 Yukon XL Denali at the same dealership as they jerks me around all the time since I didn't purchase it from them. I get faster service from the Chevy dealership by my job(except the H2) with my GMC's than at the GMC dealership behind my house. Go figure.....:weird:

lwlasowicz
11-29-2007, 03:36 PM
From the research I have done on the NHTSA website there appears to be no recall for the 02-03 trail/voy for the fuel pump module assembly leak. The NHTSA is doing a investigation into this problem. The 02's did have a recall for fuel line problems. I started having problems similar to the fuel pump assembly with minor leakage and vapor. Unfornately GM will not do anything for me if this is the real problem I am having which needs to be fixed at my cost. I will be filing a complaint with my state's attorny general and the NHTSA if this turns to be a fuel pump module which the NHTSA is investigating. I am suggesting to all members who have had/ or are having this problem file a complaint with the NHTSA. Wether GM has paid for your repairs or not the more complaint the NHTSA recieves on this problem, it may force the NHTSA to force GM a actual recall to fix this problem or reimburse those who have had the repairs done

xceebeex
12-03-2007, 07:02 PM
I am starting to smell gas again when I first start up the Bravada and I already had the fuel pump replaced once because it was corroded. I wonder if this is my issue as well...

Frostee
12-11-2007, 11:45 AM
xceebeex, it could be. the replacement pump for our models hasnt been changed to account for the possible corrosion. so depending on when you had it replaced, it may have started again.

xceebeex
12-11-2007, 04:17 PM
xceebeex, it could be. the replacement pump for our models hasnt been changed to account for the possible corrosion. so depending on when you had it replaced, it may have started again.

It wasn't a new pump that it was replaced with either. It was from another Bravada with like 35k miles on it....My issue is weid though since it only happens on startup and then it goes away. (Unlike before, where I would alsways smell it and it was much stronger)

slickr1
02-10-2008, 10:20 AM
My 04 TB has started to leak. I checked and it looks like it if coming off the tank, like the pic's posted about half way through this post. Was there ever a recall on this???

GeorgeJL75
02-12-2008, 10:56 PM
The defect investigation remains open since July 10, 2007 with no recall issued yet. I believe the investigation needs to be complete within one year from opening.

slickr1
02-13-2008, 10:28 PM
I took my wife's TB in today and had the fuel pump module replaced. It was shot due to corrosion, and not only did they replace the module but they replace the fuel level sensor.

Anyone that is having this problem needs to get to the dealer and have this fixed.

It will only cost you $882.03.
And I also found out the air pump (290.00) is shot. But they said I did not need it, because it was only a bunch of smog garbage. They told me to pull the fuse for it and it would be okay..


The responce I got from calling GM/Chevy was " oh you live where there is a crossion problem" what a bunch of horse shi!...

Frostee
02-13-2008, 11:03 PM
I took my wife's TB in today and had the fuel pump module replaced. It was shot due to corrosion, and not only did they replace the module but they replace the fuel level sensor.

Anyone that is having this problem needs to get to the dealer and have this fixed.

It will only cost you $882.03.
And I also found out the air pump (290.00) is shot. But they said I did not need it, because it was only a bunch of smog garbage. They told me to pull the fuse for it and it would be okay..


The responce I got from calling GM/Chevy was " oh you live where there is a crossion problem" what a bunch of horse shi!...


save the receipts. if it does become a recall, you could argue for your money back.

since yours is an '04, I would probably file a complaint with NHTSA, since thier investigation only listed 2002 and 2003 vehicles.

slickr1
02-14-2008, 08:21 AM
I did file with NHTSA.They said it is a well known problem. :thumbsup:

apellon
02-21-2008, 06:53 PM
Alright get your pencils out and start to jot down numbers. I took my wifes Ext. 2003 to the dealer for the P0442 small vapor emissions leak. I am out of warranty. However due to some research here & a letter I recieved a long time ago from Chevy ref. this possible recall I was able to get the dealer to fix it FREE!! First and most important my service rep is a very stand up guy and does not BS. I lost my letter so I decided to call customer service. When you take your vehicle to the dealer you need to have them look at;

Chevy Special Policy document #2005993 /T5663 Special tank policy #07099

Basically if your vehicle falls under a certain VIN # break your vehicle is covered for this specific problem for :eek: 10 years/150K Miles. Yes I know but this is what I got from the Chevy Customer Service center who's Phone number and address is:

General Motors Corporation
P.O. Box 33170
Detroit, MI 48232-5170

"All Special Policy Reimbursement Questions Should be directed to"
1-800-204-0261

When you get tired of speaking to the first rep. who basically promises nothing. Ask to speask to his supervisor.

The tech. needs to do a smoke test to determine where the leak is coming from. Don't allow an explanation of you live in a corrosive atmosphere. If that were the case we'd be driving Deloreans. Remember the dealer/Service center is there to make money. However once the mother ship is involved they will be reimbursed by them. Good luck to you.:woohoo:

xceebeex
02-21-2008, 07:01 PM
Does this reply to just EXT models? Every once in a while I have noticed some faint gas smell when starting my Bravada, but obviously its not an EXT.

Thanks

apellon
02-22-2008, 10:30 AM
Does this reply to just EXT models? Every once in a while I have noticed some faint gas smell when starting my Bravada, but obviously its not an EXT.

Thanks

Couldn't tell you, I only know what I could research and put together between the dealer, customer service and here. If your Bravada is a 3 row model it would make sense.

Frostee
02-22-2008, 10:55 AM
Alright get your pencils out and start to jot down numbers. I took my wifes Ext. 2003 to the dealer for the P0442 small vapor emissions leak. I am out of warranty. However due to some research here & a letter I recieved a long time ago from Chevy ref. this possible recall I was able to get the dealer to fix it FREE!! First and most important my service rep is a very stand up guy and does not BS. I lost my letter so I decided to call customer service. When you take your vehicle to the dealer you need to have them look at;

Chevy Special Policy document #2005993 /T5663 Special tank policy #07099

Basically if your vehicle falls under a certain VIN # break your vehicle is covered for this specific problem for :eek: 10 years/150K Miles. Yes I know but this is what I got from the Chevy Customer Service center who's Phone number and address is:

General Motors Corporation
P.O. Box 33170
Detroit, MI 48232-5170

"All Special Policy Reimbursement Questions Should be directed to"
1-800-204-0261

When you get tired of speaking to the first rep. who basically promises nothing. Ask to speask to his supervisor.

The tech. needs to do a smoke test to determine where the leak is coming from. Don't allow an explanation of you live in a corrosive atmosphere. If that were the case we'd be driving Deloreans. Remember the dealer/Service center is there to make money. However once the mother ship is involved they will be reimbursed by them. Good luck to you.:woohoo:

that item is listed in the TSB section of this site. item number 050604014. it has to do with codes P0440, P0455, P0442. EVAP system leak

AbuAbdulAziz
03-03-2008, 10:11 AM
He said most people are buying and replacing them:weird: on their own. So, if you want to get the "warranty replacement" done, do the Onstar thing first followed by the call to GMC or Chevy and express the safety of you and your family. !:thumbsup:

i did that, i bought the tank " $1037 :eek::hissy: " but guess what ? after i filled up with 50L i got fuel all over the place again !!!! :hissy::mad:

My 04 TB has started to leak. I checked and it looks like it if coming off the tank, like the pic's posted about half way through this post. Was there ever a recall on this???

mine did too, here's how it looked like after replacing the new tank :
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/AbuAbdulAziz/Image259.jpg
but guess what ? the prob is STILL there :duh: but at least i can drive around with out being afraid of any gas leak :mad: ...
now, i did take that TSB to the dealers who said that my VIN doesnt match the ones that are in it " cuz its not an EXT !! " ..
any ideas ? part number ? please help :(

guano2
03-03-2008, 10:41 AM
I've fixed Many a old rusty tanks over the years with PC-7 Epoxy {gray stuff} always works great. thats what I'll be using when the time comes....:m2:

AbuAbdulAziz
03-03-2008, 03:31 PM
I've fixed Many a old rusty tanks over the years with PC-7 Epoxy {gray stuff} always works great. thats what I'll be using when the time comes....:m2:

i was gonna do that, but every one " Dealers Tech, shops mechanics " was like no thats a big no no :nono: so i bought a new one :worried: at least i feel safer now :D but the filling issue is still THERE :duh: i cant get more than 50 Liters in there ...

AbuAbdulAziz
03-04-2008, 02:11 PM
so i'm the only one having this right now ?? :duh::confused:

lwlasowicz
03-06-2008, 05:10 PM
I called GM on this speical document and they said its still in the works. Anyone know what this document says? I had the fuel module replaced at the dealer which NHSTA is looking at. My service rep at the dealer said they were doing a queit recall of gas tanks. So it this document on the gas tank or fuel module?

samsilver522
03-08-2008, 11:26 PM
NHTSA Investigation of TrailVoy leaking fuel pumps covers following vehicles.
SS

NHTSA Action Number : EA07009 NHTSA Recall Campaign Number : N/A
Make / Models : Model/Build Years:
CHEVROLET / TRAILBLAZER 2002-2003
CHEVROLET / TRAILBLAZER 360 2002-2003
CHEVROLET / TRAILBLAZER EXT 2002-2003
CHEVROLET / TRAILBLAZER EXT 370 2002-2003
GMC / ENVOY 2002-2003
GMC / ENVOY 360 2002-2003
GMC / ENVOY XL 2002-2003
GMC / ENVOY XL 370 2002-2003
GMC / ENVOY XUV 2003
Manufacturer : GENERAL MOTORS CORP.
Component :
FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE:DELIVERY:FUEL PUMP
Date Investigation Opened : July 10, 2007
Date Investigation Closed : Open
Summary:
ODI HAS RECEIVED REPORTS THAT THE FUEL PUMP MODULE LEAKS FUEL AND OR VAPOR UNDERNEATH THE VEHICLE. GM STATES, "THE FAILURE MECHANISM IS CORROSION OF THE FUEL PUMP MODULE FLANGE WHICH MAY LEAD TO A FUEL LEAK. CORROSION OF THE FUEL PUMP MODULE FLANGE IS THE RESULT OF THE VEHICLE OPERATING IN A CORROSIVE ENVIRONMENT." ODI HAS OPENED THIS ENGINEERING ANALYSIS TO FURTHER ASSESS THIS ISSUE.

xceebeex
03-09-2008, 11:28 AM
How can they look at the regular Envoy/Trailblazers from 02-03, but not the Bravada?

Frostee
03-10-2008, 09:21 AM
How can they look at the regular Envoy/Trailblazers from 02-03, but not the Bravada?

either it has a different construction, or it will be included, just not mentioned since it is such a small part of the group being looked at. Those are my guesses at least.

Everyone that keeps commenting on this though with the wrong recall stuff should go read the first pages, since most of the information is right there. A lot that has been said since is a different issue.

stebob
04-01-2008, 09:24 AM
I just purchased a 2004 TB LT with 21,124 miles from Carmax 1 week ago. She noticed small amount of gas leaking forming a small puddle under the car when filling up. We took it back to Carmax for inspection. They found the Inlet Control Valve to be leaking. They are fixing it today. I'm hoping this is the only problem and it's not due to corrosion. I did not purchase an extended warranty, only the 30 day warranty so I will be keeping a very close eye on this problem. So far so good working with Carmax, though.

stebob
04-01-2008, 06:15 PM
update: Just got the TB back from the dealer. They replaced the Canister Vent Solenoid, not the Inlet Contorl Valve. Claimed they couldn't find anything wrong with corrosion and/or the inlet valve and this was the problem. Claimed the could reproduce the issue and due to this canister valve being stuck closed it what caused it. Said they couldn't reproduce the problem after they replaced it. I'll keep an eye on it and see what happens. Oh, and they even filled the tank up for us. Left it with just under 1/4 full. Carmax has been a pleasure so far. Let's just hope they actually fixed the issue.

GeorgeJL75
04-19-2008, 03:19 PM
The investigation continues and now includes all 2004 models as well.

http://nhthqnwws111.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Pursuits/2007/EA/INIM-EA07009-28410P.pdf

blu ya
04-19-2008, 03:55 PM
This is ridiculous, I bet if a GM exact or anyone of his family members were driving around with a defective product they would get the issue fixed ASAP! GM pull your head out your arse and own up to this defect NOW! Don't get me wrong, I'm a strong loyal GM customer, but it just pisses me off when they do everything short of fixing the problem. Yeah Yeah, I know its a numbers and dollars thing, but come on. Rant over, now back to our regularly scheduled program.

Catfish_SS
04-20-2008, 05:45 PM
Rant over, now back to our regularly scheduled program.

:rotfl:

SteveTB03
04-20-2008, 07:58 PM
So is this an actual recall where i can take my TB SWB into the dealer and get a new gas tank and fuel pump??? i hope that it is because if it is i want a free tank and pump!!:woohoo:

screwloose
04-29-2008, 03:41 PM
I just spent $1,375 on this similar problem. I took my 04 Trailblazer to the dealer that sold it to me for this repair. There was a crack/leak in the gas tank and had to have the entire thing replaced... resulting in an after-tax bill of $1,430. Any suggestions on what to do? I just bought this 1 month and two weeks ago and have written three letters to GM for help because the ******* dealer laughed in my face when I asked for help. The extended warranty of course doesn't cover this. Please e-mail me if anyone has any suggestions at ryangibbons@temple.edu. Thanks.

screwloose
04-29-2008, 05:10 PM
Woah... a quite recall?! Typical GM bull****.

:mad::nono::suicide:

I called GM on this speical document and they said its still in the works. Anyone know what this document says? I had the fuel module replaced at the dealer which NHSTA is looking at. My service rep at the dealer said they were doing a queit recall of gas tanks. So it this document on the gas tank or fuel module?

dwiese77
05-02-2008, 09:28 AM
Took my '03 TB EXT to dealer because I smelled gas. They said the sending unit was leaking and it would be ~$860.00. I said I wanted to talk to Service Mgr and then call GM but he volunteered to cover the parts if I coverd the labor. They also replaced fuel level sensor and filter. Total cost to me $384.00. I still think GM should cover this, but I still got a better deal than most it seems.

e019404
05-02-2008, 03:25 PM
We have an '03 Envoy with 51K miles on it, which is out of warranty. We had the SES light. It turned out to be a crack at the top of the tank where the filler neck is plastic welded to the tank. The dealer said GM covered it even though it was out of warranty.

screwloose
05-07-2008, 09:27 AM
We have an '03 Envoy with 51K miles on it, which is out of warranty. We had the SES light. It turned out to be a crack at the top of the tank where the filler neck is plastic welded to the tank. The dealer said GM covered it even though it was out of warranty.

So you're saying GM covered it? I'm literally on the line with them right now because of your message... they only covered me for half of the $1,430 which is cool but not good enough. I had the tank replaced, the seal and the valve. Haven't even made my second payment on the truck!

Menthol
05-07-2008, 08:52 PM
How do you know GM didn't cover everything ? Unless he's your buddy, very rarely they knock off $480.00 ;)



Took my '03 TB EXT to dealer because I smelled gas. They said the sending unit was leaking and it would be ~$860.00. I said I wanted to talk to Service Mgr and then call GM but he volunteered to cover the parts if I coverd the labor. They also replaced fuel level sensor and filter. Total cost to me $384.00. I still think GM should cover this, but I still got a better deal than most it seems.

screwloose
05-08-2008, 10:04 AM
Wait... so you're saying GM may have reimbursed for the full amount by only the dealer is giving back half?

How do you know GM didn't cover everything ? Unless he's your buddy, very rarely they knock off $480.00 ;)

silver0306
05-19-2008, 11:40 PM
i reported my fuel leak to the NHTSA about a year ago. they just called me last week to say that they are looking for leaking units and would pay to have my sending unit so they can analyze the unit. what happens is the 2 lines coming out of teh tank rust and get holes. if ur car starts fine and u just smell gas its the return line that has teh hole but if ur car starts hard whem sitting for a while its the feed side that has the hole. so just turn the key on and dont start it for 5 seconds to prime teh line. i took my pump out twice first time was teh return line so i fiberglassed it and it lasted a year. this march i had to do it again and it was the feed line so i just sodered teh holes. New sending unit for me for free :D

JOETENO2
05-20-2008, 12:12 AM
I got my tank and stuff changed last year all under GM's "grace" or freebie. I bought my Envoy from a guy in California off of Ebay. The Voy had a leak when the transport company picked it up at his house(I asked him to take pictures so I could compare the delivered product). He had cleared all of the codes before he shipped it. I rode around for 1 month until the "light" came on. I called Onstar and had them do a diagnostic check. I complained about the smell and the safety issues. They(GMC) made a 2nd day appointment for me at my local dealership. They determined I had a bad tank and other parts. After a 3 week wait(tank was on backorder), I had a new tank and all associated parts with no out of pocket money. I had 86000 miles at the time. It did help when I asked the GMC rep if the vehicle would be safe for my daughter to drive without the chance of it exploding. That sentence is what probably got me the "freebie" bag of goodies! It's all in what you settle for. As a heavy equipment tech, I know what is within limits. Don't settle!

shawn418
06-30-2008, 07:09 AM
So has there been any other information about the tank replacement? As far as recall? The last I seen is that it was sent to Engineering for review and given a number, EA07-0009. I searched the NHTSA website and couldn't find anywhere to look up this number.

GeorgeJL75
07-02-2008, 09:34 PM
As of now there is no new information but the Investigation is still "open"

kings21
07-07-2008, 01:33 PM
Just started getting the SES light and the smell of gas. 02 TB LT. Reported to NHTSA. Really tired of Chevy and their shady dealerships. Thank God for this messageboard, otherwise we'd really be screwed.:suicide:

screwloose
07-12-2008, 11:22 AM
Yep - GM will never get themselves out of the hole is they continue to be *******s about the *****ty parts they put in cars. I fought for two months about this and got the dealer to give me back $280, GM gave me back $485 ($765 total) so that's as good as it will get for me. If they ever do a recall or silent recall on the fuel tank problem, I'm sure it will be a big headache trying to get the rest of the $1,500 I spent fixing this problem on my 3 month old GM Certified used truck.

Thanks GM - we try to buy American to support the economy and you still couldn't give a *****. :mad:

Frostee
07-15-2008, 09:07 AM
i just finished reading the most recent letter GM sent back to the NHTSA on this matter, and right near the beginning, they do not feel it is their problem. its not near an ignition source, it hasnt caused any fires yet, and customers would know somethings wrong by the smell.

what a crappy response that was to read...

outbackdragger
08-07-2008, 10:54 AM
On your fuel pump and line repairs.


Just got our '02 Trailblazer (SWB) back from the NHTSA lab. They were using it to look for spray patterns on the pressurized side of the fuel pump. The line was rusted through in four places. They are gathering information to pass along to the DOT for a possible recall. The study paid for the repair on our vehicle but they said others should at least hang on to their receipts for any repairs on the fuel pump and/or lines

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q176/bailey123_album/NHTSALeaseAgreement001.jpg

mbrown2004
08-15-2008, 08:09 PM
i just got my 04 TB back from the dealer, i took it in for other reasons and didnt even know it had a gas leak. they told me i needed a new tank and it would be at no cost to me . i am greatful they found the leak (and that it was fixed for FREE)

Frostee
08-18-2008, 09:25 AM
I was driving home and my ABS & Brake light popped on. Only for about 5 seconds. I kept driving, it popped on again. Also heard the chiming bells. I know that this sounds crazy, but does this mean that I'm low on brake fluid on I need to get mt brakes ckecked out?

I don't wee what that has to do with a gas leak.... Try asking the question in the appropriate forum and you may get a better response...

I would have your brakes looked at though...

DucatiSS
08-18-2008, 09:31 AM
I don't wee what that has to do with a gas leak.... Try asking the question in the appropriate forum and you may get a better response...

I would have your brakes looked at though...

I moved the post to a new thread. thanks for noticing it.

Carry on..

Bluewater
08-22-2008, 11:56 AM
Great info--thanks !! I'll check and keep a watch now on my 02.

jhep30
09-02-2008, 11:04 AM
I just read the report and it states that GM Extended the warranty to ten year or 120,000 miles. Has anybody challenged this yet? I had mine replaced around 99,000 miles, to the tune of $800.00.

Frostee
09-04-2008, 02:54 PM
The investigation is now closed.

Here's the summary from NHTSA:


DURING THE COURSE OF THIS EA INVESTIGATION, ODI OBSERVED THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE COMPLAINTS (88%) AND WARRANTY CLAIMS (94%) WERE REPORTED FOR VEHICLES THAT ARE REGISTERED FOR USE IN THE "SALT BELT" REGION OF THE US. THIS AREA INCLUDES 20 STATES IN THE NORTHEAST, MID ATLANTIC AND THE MIDWEST REGIONS AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA. CONSUMERS IN THE SALT BELT REGION REPORTED TO ODI THAT THEY COULD SMELL FUEL VAPORS IN THEIR VEHICLES WHILE DRIVING. UPON FURTHER EXAMINATION OF THEIR VEHICLES, THEY DISCOVERED THAT FUEL VAPORS WERE COMING OUT OF THE TOP OF THE FUEL TANK. THIS CONDITION IS CAUSED BY CORROSION OF THE RETURN AND SENDER LINES OF THE FUEL PUMP MODULE. WATER AND ROAD SALT COLLECT ON TOP OF THE FUEL PUMP LEADING TO SMALL PINHOLES APPEARING ON THE FUEL LINES. FUEL MAY LEAK AND COLLECT ON TOP OF THE MODULE AND/OR SPILL ONTO THE GROUND. THE DATA EVALUATED UNDER THIS INVESTIGATION REFLECT A RELATIVELY LOW FREQUENCY OF OCCURRENCE THAT LARGELY ARISES IN SALT BELT STATES. GM HAS EXTENDED THE WARRANTY ON THE SUBJECT COMPONENT TO TEN YEARS OR 120,000 MILES. FURTHER USE OF AGENCY RESOURCES DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE WARRANTED AT THIS TIME; ACCORDINGLY, THIS INVESTIGATION IS CLOSED. THE CLOSING OF THIS INVESTIGATION DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A FINDING BY NHTSA THAT NO SAFETY-RELATED DEFECT EXISTS. THE AGENCY RESERVES THE RIGHT TO TAKE FURTHER ACTION IF WARRANTED BY THE CIRCUMSTANCES. FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION SELECT DOCUMENT SEARCH.


Here's a link to the closing document:

http://nhthqnwws112.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Pursuits/2007/EA/INCLA-EA07009-30103.pdf

I'm going to be talking to GM customer service to see if I can get a refund for my work done. I will keep you all posted!

Iahawkeye
09-16-2008, 10:22 AM
Well, I talked to my GM guy about the leak at the filler tube. I need to take the Envoy to make sure it is leaking (which it is) and then he will order a new tank and put it in for FREE. I dont get a the new pump but at least i wont be a fire hazard running down the road and wont have to smell gas everytime i get out or fill up.

Thanks to all who have done the research on the matter. You have all saved me a ton of cash!!

GeorgeJL75
09-18-2008, 08:55 PM
So, if I understand everything correctly there is no recall but GM has extended the warranty to 10 years or 120000 miles. Does this mean that if we had the repair done we can get reimbursed by GM and if so do we take it up with the dealer or contact the GM Customer Service number?

Frostee
09-18-2008, 10:08 PM
So, if I understand everything correctly there is no recall but GM has extended the warranty to 10 years or 120000 miles. Does this mean that if we had the repair done we can get reimbursed by GM and if so do we take it up with the dealer or contact the GM Customer Service number?

from what i read, the warranty stuff is true.

i would call gm customer service to get a refund. you'll probably get faster action that way.

so far, GM Canada is doing NOTHING for its Canadian customers, but im still pursuing the issue with them...

ieatglue
09-18-2008, 10:16 PM
Even though we have it worse up here... :no:

Frostee
09-19-2008, 08:24 AM
Even though we have it worse up here... :no:

because they know Canadian consumers just bend over and take it. then when they need us to help them, we do that too... heaven forbid they ever do anything for us!

All I can say is I'm glad I bought a Dodge.

Frostee
10-17-2008, 10:26 AM
I just received a letter from GM Canada stating that this issue is now being covered under a special warranty policy. 10 years or 193K kms. So Canadian customers in Ontario, Quebec, Newfoundland, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia and PEI are covered.

I can't wait to get my money back! :)

guano2
10-17-2008, 11:19 AM
Got my FP Rust Letter, NOTE TO ALL...the letter says KEEP it as it is Authorization to do the work I'm not saying they wont but stick it in the glove if you think your not going to have a "Thermal Event".:laugh::eek::m2:

nateb21
10-17-2008, 11:33 AM
OK so I have an 04 TB and I just got a notice from GM the other day saying they would cover me if I had the fuel tank issue. From everything I saw here it is only 02-03. Also what should i be looking at to make sure I am good to go?
Nate

Frostee
10-17-2008, 01:00 PM
OK so I have an 04 TB and I just got a notice from GM the other day saying they would cover me if I had the fuel tank issue. From everything I saw here it is only 02-03. Also what should i be looking at to make sure I am good to go?
Nate

if you're not pissing fuel to the ground when driving, you're fine. it's a problem that isn't seen easily, but you know when it happens (the smell of gass all the time and the puddles under the vehicle when idling)

Paty
10-17-2008, 01:38 PM
Just got back from the local Chevy dealer who installed a new high mount stop light. I had forgot to take the letter I received about corrosion on the fuel tank, and when they were done installing the light he asked if I wanted them to look at the fuel tank. I guess when they put your vin number in their computer it shows any open recalls or problems. Anyways, they looked at the fuel tank and informed me that 2002 Trailblazer LZT has the corrosion problem. They said that parts were not available at this time, but will call in about 3-4 weeks when the parts are expected to be certified and shipped to dealers. When I asked what exactly the problem was, the service department woman told me that they will have to replace the filler neck that is soldered/welded to the gas tank. In reading previous I noticed that many stated that the fuel tank and pump would be replaced. Hmmmm, I wonder how economical it will be to solder in a new filler tube.....something does not sound right here. I would think tank removal and replacement would be a more economical and less time consuming fix....not to mention I do not think their shop is equipped to safely solder a fuel tank. Anybody think that maybe she just does not know the whole thing needs to be replaced and was just confused?

Frostee
10-17-2008, 05:13 PM
Just got back from the local Chevy dealer who installed a new high mount stop light. I had forgot to take the letter I received about corrosion on the fuel tank, and when they were done installing the light he asked if I wanted them to look at the fuel tank. I guess when they put your vin number in their computer it shows any open recalls or problems. Anyways, they looked at the fuel tank and informed me that 2002 Trailblazer LZT has the corrosion problem. They said that parts were not available at this time, but will call in about 3-4 weeks when the parts are expected to be certified and shipped to dealers. When I asked what exactly the problem was, the service department woman told me that they will have to replace the filler neck that is soldered/welded to the gas tank. In reading previous I noticed that many stated that the fuel tank and pump would be replaced. Hmmmm, I wonder how economical it will be to solder in a new filler tube.....something does not sound right here. I would think tank removal and replacement would be a more economical and less time consuming fix....not to mention I do not think their shop is equipped to safely solder a fuel tank. Anybody think that maybe she just does not know the whole thing needs to be replaced and was just confused?

the filler tube is a completely separate issue.

Vayne
10-17-2008, 11:58 PM
I received a letter a couple days ago will have to check it out.

Smerker
10-22-2008, 07:17 PM
I got my letter today.. (Ontario, Canada)

I only have 13000 KM left (Most likely less than a year). What should I look for. I do not remember smelling gas at any time but..... Is this only when filling or would it be early morning. What have others noticed

Is there some way to look to see possible problems forming.

I jumped the gun a little, read a couple posts back and found some info.

jhep30
10-28-2008, 08:56 PM
Sent the bill, and receipt in on the 14th and received a check for the full amount of the repair ($742.00) on the 24th. GM called to follow-up on the 27th.

Paty
10-29-2008, 08:31 PM
Got the Trailblazer back yesterday after leaving it at the Chevy dealer over night on Monday. At no cost they replaced the fuel tank, fuel pump, sending unit, and filter. I asked again why the parts needed to be replaced and all that she could tell me was there was severe corrosion where the fill tube connects to the fuel tank. According to my receipt all the parts for this replacement come as a kit (GM part # 19206122)

They did call and asked if I wanted them to replace a badly leaking front pinion seal while they had it there. I told them to go ahead. When I picked it up I had to pay $167.32 for the seal replacement......ouch. Then they told me that I should consider replacing the front and rear sway bar links. They will do the front ones for $332.00, and the rear ones for $346.00.........hmmmm, I think I will see if this is something I can do if the parts are available at a parts store. It just seems like almost $700.00 is quite a bit to replace 4 parts. Then again depending on what is involved in the process $700.00 may be a bargain to get it done right.

SteveTB03
10-30-2008, 01:14 AM
Got the Trailblazer back yesterday after leaving it at the Chevy dealer over night on Monday. At no cost they replaced the fuel tank, fuel pump, sending unit, and filter. I asked again why the parts needed to be replaced and all that she could tell me was there was severe corrosion where the fill tube connects to the fuel tank. According to my receipt all the parts for this replacement come as a kit (GM part # 19206122)

They did call and asked if I wanted them to replace a badly leaking front pinion seal while they had it there. I told them to go ahead. When I picked it up I had to pay $167.32 for the seal replacement......ouch. Then they told me that I should consider replacing the front and rear sway bar links. They will do the front ones for $332.00, and the rear ones for $346.00.........hmmmm, I think I will see if this is something I can do if the parts are available at a parts store. It just seems like almost $700.00 is quite a bit to replace 4 parts. Then again depending on what is involved in the process $700.00 may be a bargain to get it done right.

NO!! :nono: Don't pay them to do it for you you can buy the parts from rockauto.com for 23 bucks a pop and it will take you 1 hour of your time and get the MOOG if i were you they cost less and they are AWESOME you just have to make sure that you grease them regularly.

blu ya
10-30-2008, 07:13 AM
NO!! :nono: Don't pay them to do it for you you can buy the parts from rockauto.com for 23 bucks a pop and it will take you 1 hour of your time and get the MOOG if i were you they cost less and they are AWESOME you just have to make sure that you grease them regularly.

Second that :iagree: You can do it yourself in about an hour or two if you take your time. It's really simple and rockauto is where I got mine. $700 for them to do all for is way to much. :weird:

Paty
10-30-2008, 06:27 PM
Thank you for the information about the sway bar links. I will get the parts and replace them myself.

The part number that I listed in my above post about the dealership replacing my fuel tank, pump, etc.........may be the wrong part number for the replacement kit. I believe the part number I posted was for the pinion seal.......sorry.

GeorgeJL75
11-01-2008, 02:17 PM
Sent the bill, and receipt in on the 14th and received a check for the full amount of the repair ($742.00) on the 24th. GM called to follow-up on the 27th.

I too have received my check. I mailed the form and everything on the 18th and received my check for $775.37 yesterday. I am very pleased that GM stood up and did the right thing. I also got a call from the customer assisstance center...the woman said when I am approaching the 10 year or 120,000 mile mark to bring it back in to have the module inspected and if it looks like the problem is occurring again they will replace it all again for free.

04DetroitLS
11-01-2008, 02:47 PM
got my letter last week

2004 I6 4x2 Envoy....

Havent had to replace it yet though

LMMJ
11-02-2008, 01:44 AM
my dad got a letter for his 04 EXT and I got one for my 02 LS

mwfaith1971
11-02-2008, 10:15 AM
What's the consensus on this?

Take it in for the stealer to have a look and if it's ok, hang on to the letter just in case?

or

What till you smell fuel and then take it in?

Matt

pjnichols
11-04-2008, 10:55 AM
Has anyone tried repairing this problem themselves. I started smelling gas, and a couple of days later I got the letter. I am not covered under the "notice" because I have 134,000 miles on my 2002 Trailblazer LT. Is it just the fuel sending unit that needs to be replaced? That does not seem like that would cause the smell of gas, it just sends current to the heating coil for the gauge.

screwloose
11-04-2008, 09:00 PM
Hey, I never received a letter about the fuel leak recall but I am the second owner of my '04 Trailblazer (56,000 miles). I had this replaced a few months back to the tune of $1,400. GM reimbursed me about $400 for the repair before they made this "recall" official, do you guys think I can fight for the rest?

Any info would be great! :D

bstromback2002
11-11-2008, 02:56 PM
So, if I understand everything correctly there is no recall but GM has extended the warranty to 10 years or 120000 miles. Does this mean that if we had the repair done we can get reimbursed by GM and if so do we take it up with the dealer or contact the GM Customer Service number?


i saw in the alldata it's 10 years 150,000 miles (240,000 km)

just lettin you know incase anyone thought they were past the warranty

GeorgeJL75
11-15-2008, 10:33 PM
Has anyone tried repairing this problem themselves. I started smelling gas, and a couple of days later I got the letter. I am not covered under the "notice" because I have 134,000 miles on my 2002 Trailblazer LT. Is it just the fuel sending unit that needs to be replaced? That does not seem like that would cause the smell of gas, it just sends current to the heating coil for the gauge.

It is the entire fuel pump module that is covered for 10 years/120,000 miles. If you are smelling gas I would say there is a chance they may goodwill the repair or cover some of it. If they won't cover it and you are going to do the repair yourself RBARRIOS just did an excellent write-up with pictures and helpful hints.

GeorgeJL75
11-15-2008, 10:37 PM
Hey, I never received a letter about the fuel leak recall but I am the second owner of my '04 Trailblazer (56,000 miles). I had this replaced a few months back to the tune of $1,400. GM reimbursed me about $400 for the repair before they made this "recall" official, do you guys think I can fight for the rest?

Any info would be great! :D

Yes, you would still be elgible for getting your $$ back. Unfortunately GM only has the capability to send out letters to the original owners on file but nowhere on NHTSA.gov or in the letter did it state you must be the original owner. Somebody posted the letter from GM in another thread. I think it has the phone # you can call, or try calling the GM Customer Assistance Center at 1-800-222-1020.

bstromback2002
11-17-2008, 09:24 AM
Sounds like there is apparently 2 fuel leaks The tank and the fuel pump module
I was refering to the tank on all the long wheelbase trailvoys

bstromback2002
11-17-2008, 09:26 AM
Yes, you would still be elgible for getting your $$ back. Unfortunately GM only has the capability to send out letters to the original owners on file but nowhere on NHTSA.gov or in the letter did it state you must be the original owner. Somebody posted the letter from GM in another thread. I think it has the phone # you can call, or try calling the GM Customer Assistance Center at 1-800-222-1020.

they can track you down they use your states dmv records to send out letters.

samsilver522
11-26-2008, 07:19 PM
I had my vehicle checked and it was determined to have a fuel leak. I was told the fuel sending unit is on back order. Are the gas tanks supposed to be replaced as part of this problem. The service guy told me, only if it has rust on the seal for the sending unit.
Cheers!
Sam

Aerostud1026
11-28-2008, 12:51 PM
Yes, you would still be elgible for getting your $$ back. Unfortunately GM only has the capability to send out letters to the original owners on file but nowhere on NHTSA.gov or in the letter did it state you must be the original owner. Somebody posted the letter from GM in another thread. I think it has the phone # you can call, or try calling the GM Customer Assistance Center at 1-800-222-1020.

they can track you down they use your states dmv records to send out letters.

:iagree: because I'm not the original owner to my 03 TB, and I got a letter

redtb
11-28-2008, 12:54 PM
i saw in the alldata it's 10 years 150,000 miles (240,000 km)

just lettin you know incase anyone thought they were past the warranty

I had the module repaired back in October at 130K miles. I was hopeful when I saw your message about the 150,000 miles and called customer service. Sadly, they confirmed that the warranty only covers up to 120K and that I could not be reimbursed.

Ah, that's too bad. :worried:

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/benj325/fuelmodule.jpg

Wake
11-28-2008, 05:55 PM
Yes, you would still be elgible for getting your $$ back. Unfortunately GM only has the capability to send out letters to the original owners on file but nowhere on NHTSA.gov or in the letter did it state you must be the original owner. Somebody posted the letter from GM in another thread. I think it has the phone # you can call, or try calling the GM Customer Assistance Center at 1-800-222-1020.

I am the second owner of my TB and recieved the letter. But I'm guessing that it was because I had the TB in for service a few times and the VIN is now linked to my name/address.

Maybe the owner who didn't recieve the letter has never taken the vehicle to a GM dealer, in that case they wouldn't be in the system linked to the VIN...

I keep my tank full all the time because I want this thing to start leaking if it's going to. Luckily I'm only at 73K miles on it so I have quite a bit of time before the recall runs out, that is unless GM goes bankrupt before then... :crazy:

kickinkz
12-02-2008, 11:17 AM
Looks like I'll have to keep an eye on the mail...

Later
Phil

Voytrail
12-03-2008, 10:32 AM
FYI
I've got a 2002 Trailblazer LTZ with only 60K (kilometers not miles). I was smelling some gas fumes from the back of the truck starting two years ago. At the time, I did not think it was something serious, but in January 2008 the gas odor became some strong that I feared a lit cigarette in the proximity would cause an explosion. Fearing for my safety, I took the truck to a GM dealership and they acknowleged the problem. But they refused to replace the corroded fuel assembly on the gas tank intake under the GM warranty. Eventhough, the premature and excessive corrosion of the fuel assembly was well documnted on several automotive websites. Moreover, I was charged $72for the inspection. Disappointed from GM, I took my truck to a private repaire shop and have the job done to the tune of $1200 from my own pocket. To my total surprise in November 2008, I received a letter from GM that my problem could be covered partially under the GM warranty by proving all original invoices:tiphat. To make a long story short, I was reimboursed for only $800.
Not $1200 + $72 ,but better than nothing.

Voytrail
12-03-2008, 03:59 PM
I forgot to mention that I am the second owner of the truck. Bought it back in January 2006 @ 40000k (kilometers).

Shanel
01-06-2009, 02:28 PM
I have a 2002 Envoy. I started having problems with what we've now discovered is the fuel pump almost 2 years ago. Two dealers and a private mechanic couldnt' figure out the issue after looking at it numerous times over the past 2 years. (Sputtering, light periodic gas smell, etc.).

I got the recall notice in early December in the mail. By that time I was already over the mileage limit by 20,000 km or so. I had no choice but to replace the fuel pump since the truck basically wouldn't start anymore.

Frustrated is a good word for this. Because I trusted GM makes a good truck, I drive that thing everywhere. If only I hadn't driven it as much I wouldn't be out of pocket by $1500+ ? Add this on top of numerous other issues with this vehicle, and I'd say it's the last GM we'll be buying.

mtritt
01-06-2009, 11:08 PM
So what's the bottom line on this? Does it cover SWB 02 TBs?

I've got 95K miles on my truck and am not smelling any gas, but if there is a possibility of this thing leaking in the future, I'd like to get it replaced.

mtritt
01-07-2009, 03:12 PM
I called my dealer and was told that there is no recall on 02 non-EXT TB fuel pumps.

Does anyone have any information or more detail on this?

GeorgeJL75
01-07-2009, 08:51 PM
Yes, it covers 2002 SWB. It is an extended warranty, not a recall. Where do you live? The warranty may not cover you if you aren't in the rust belt.

mtritt
01-07-2009, 08:57 PM
:coffeeYes, it covers 2002 SWB. It is an extended warranty, not a recall. Where do you live? The warranty may not cover you if you aren't in the rust belt.

I'm in South Florida. Definitely not in the rust belt so that may be why no one at my dealership has heard of it.

GeorgeJL75
01-07-2009, 09:05 PM
:coffee

I'm in South Florida. Definitely not in the rust belt so that may be why no one at my dealership has heard of it.

Unfortunately, the warranty doesn't apply in the Sunshine State. On the bright side, your vehicle isn't corroding from the mass quantities of salt.

mtritt
01-07-2009, 09:14 PM
Unfortunately, the warranty doesn't apply in the Sunshine State. On the bright side, your vehicle isn't corroding from the mass quantities of salt.

Good. One less thing for me to worry about.

As for the rust, if I lived 10 miles farther east, I'd have a fight on my hands. I know people who live on the beach whose cars totally rust from the ocean air.

fife2001
01-18-2009, 08:30 PM
So I just noticed a strong gas smell after my Envoy has been running in the same spot for a while. I have a 2002 and I do live in the rust belt. I only have 105k, so I guess that I qualify for this 'secret warranty' work.

So do I just take it to the dealer and they should know what I am talking about and fix it free? I have a feeling that they need to order parts..etc.

Is the filler tube included in this fix or not? If its not do you think I could have them install the 'newer version' after they have the tank down.

I also have a full tank, will they care?

Hid-hq
01-23-2009, 08:40 PM
ok so even with the 25 galloon tank iirc you have a "modular fuel sending unit"..

My Question is "Does GM cover the 02-04 Oldsmobile Bravadas?"

The corrosion problem is much more prevalent in the "Pioneer" trailvoy....
I smell gas every know and then and can never really fill the tank.....

According to my research the sending unit and tank have been covered under warranty/////`:confused::confused::confused::confused:

Blazernut
01-29-2009, 11:10 AM
Here is a little gem about who is covered that a new member Mathew196 PM'd to me. Not sure if was lost in the start of the thread of not?

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/defect/results.cfm?action_number=EA07009&SearchType=QuickSearch&summary=true


Here is a form letter that he received also. Expires October 2009

http://nhthqnwws111.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Pursuits/2007/EA/INOT-EA07009-30408.pdf

Hid-hq
01-29-2009, 06:09 PM
Ok so I'd personally like to thank you guys on the forum, for this bit of info!!!

I just got back today from Miskinis GM Dealership In Bridegewater Mass Usa...
.1000 MAIN ST BRIDGEWATER MASS 02324 USA......508-697-3113

I called Gm @ gm 800-462-8782, and was then forwarded to the Oldsmobile department @ olds- 800-442-6537....Spoke with A Josh McCallen....

Expained to him that I recieved notice from the Nhtsa, that o2-04 Trailvoys had a service recall/bulletin regarding the fuel pump/tank lines etc...
Report Date : January 29, 2009 at 11:45 AM
NHTSA Action Number : EA07009

\He mentioned Problems with FUEL TANK MODULAR RESEVOIR
He gave me a service bulletin case number:
07076A -RECALL FUEL TANK CORROSION SPECIAL COVERAGE

Then asked about local dealers, the highest service rating was Miskinis and I also had good experiences with them....

I Spoke with The service manager Steve,explained the situation....

Now mind you the normal Fuel diagnostic fee is $150...
Steve comped it and I paid Zilch!!!!

I personally requested the work to be performed by a master tech,
Who was drooling over my car 10 mins earlier, and I hadnt even known he was the Master Tech lol!!!

He came up to me and asked about my car as it sounds brutal (custom cai,pcm retune and minor exhaust mods) and also asked about my hids, which when I opened the hood he was like wtf Merceded Benz Hids????

So anyways the master tech replaced my smaller tank with a larger one from an ext(Upon my reccomendation!!), he replaced all my fuel lines ,clips, brackets,fuel pump assembly,and fuel filter!!! And to boot he performed a 250 pt bumper to bumper inspection for Free!!! (Normally $250!!)......

He topped off all fluids,changed my oil,adjusted my brakes,alligned my car,rotated my tires and adjusted my headlights!!!!!For Free!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The master techs name is Richard Westberg Ase/gm Certified....

He loved my car and was thrilled when I let him drive it before I even knew he was the master tech!!!

He was like effin yeah this thing breaks all 4 loose, sicccckkkk.....


So anyways thought I'd let you guys know my good fortune and thanx for the info on the recall....

:thx :hail: :thumbsup: :D :grouphug: :thx:tiphat

BUC NASTY
01-29-2009, 08:41 PM
So anyways the master tech replaced my smaller tank with a larger one from an ext(Upon my reccomendation!!), he replaced all my fuel lines ,clips, brackets,fuel pump assembly,and fuel filter!!! And to boot he performed a 250 pt bumper to bumper inspection for Free!!! (Normally $250!!)......

Hold up you said that he replaced your small tank 18 to a 25 gal tank from ext? That cants be possible since the frame that holds the 18 gal tank wont fit compare to a 22 gal tank. But since you said the ext tank was swapped in, it might have the same frame as a regular tb.

Show us some pics! :bonk:

Hid-hq
01-30-2009, 01:35 PM
Well, i'm pretty sure thats what the tech told me....
Aye Buc, what tank did you swap to?

mrbflat
01-30-2009, 01:53 PM
THanks to Trailvoy, I got my tank replaced today! Free of charge.

Big thanks to you guys and this site, for keeping us all informed.

Called the 1-800 number and mentioned my problem with the SES light and fuel leak. Took it to the dealer and got it replaced.

Work order attached. I love all the zeros, haha. $0.00

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb283/mdw1971/Trailblazer%20fan%20clutch/Fueltank07099.jpg

Hid-hq
01-30-2009, 03:29 PM
All I can say is thank you to all the guys that helped me....

Thanx to Mathew196....Thanx 2 trailvoy......

Now my truck is drivin like a champ, and its not drinkin the gas like an alkie with shots of jack......

Actually drove from Boston to Cape Cod, some 140+ miles on 1/4 tank w/o driving for fuel economy (random gas mats due to fart-canned, lego-winged hondas trying to pass me!!)

BUC NASTY
01-30-2009, 06:08 PM
Well, i'm pretty sure thats what the tech told me....
Aye Buc, what tank did you swap to?


I got the tank swap to a 22 gal tanks from an 04 tb. Take a look.
http://forums.trailvoy.com/showthread.php?t=48969

you might have to get your bcm flashed and change your fuel pump sender to an ext 25 gal module so that the dic is reading 25 gal instead of 18 gal.

Show us some after your get the tank swapped.:thumbsup:

mxracer846
02-02-2009, 10:54 AM
I got a letter from GM for my 2004 on the same issue.

rino1494
02-16-2009, 03:14 PM
I have a '02 Trailblazer. I've been smelling gas so I pulled it into the garage and looked underneath and sure enough, gas was running down the side of the tank. I called the dealership today and gave them my VIN #. They checked into it and said that my car does is not part of the recall. Are they just screwing with me or what ??? Any ideas, should I call that 1-800 # that someone mentioned earlier ??

EDIT: I read through this thread and noticed that it just a extended warranty of 10yrs or 120,000 miles. Mine has 158,000 miles. I might be SOL on this. Also, I am the 2nd owner on this, bought it 2 yrs ago.

BUC NASTY
02-16-2009, 03:28 PM
I have a '02 Trailblazer. I've been smelling gas so I pulled it into the garage and looked underneath and sure enough, gas was running down the side of the tank. I called the dealership today and gave them my VIN #. They checked into it and said that my car does is not part of the recall. Are they just screwing with me or what ??? Any ideas, should I call that 1-800 # that someone mentioned earlier ??

yes they are screwing w/ you. do something about it

rino1494
02-16-2009, 04:31 PM
Ok, I just got off the phone with GM customer service. They said that there is no actual recall, but a special notice about the problem and they extended the warranty to 10yrs or 120,000 miles. Since I have 158,000 miles, I am screwed.

Called the dealership back and they gave me a price of buying the fuel pump module kit (GM# 19206122) for $455. To install they want $162.50 and if I need a tank, that cost $525. I am thinking that I am gonna drop the tank myself and order the kit if needed.

Jason

screwloose
02-16-2009, 05:06 PM
:hissy::hissy:

Good luck getting through to Chevy. I tried for months (literally worked my butt off to get through to them). I submitted the most detailed claim to their claims department with reciepts and everything... long story short, they pretty much said my issue doesn't qualify for their "special coverage." Basically, they're doing really bad right now and we have to suffer because of it. I was thinking about putting together a petition to fight this and have everyone write a letter to GM saying we won't buy from them ever again unless they resolve this issue. If we send it all in at once, I think that would make an impression... anyone interested?

:grouphug:

BUC NASTY
02-16-2009, 07:45 PM
Ok, I just got off the phone with GM customer service. They said that there is no actual recall, but a special notice about the problem and they extended the warranty to 10yrs or 120,000 miles. Since I have 158,000 miles, I am screwed.

Called the dealership back and they gave me a price of buying the fuel pump module kit (GM# 19206122) for $455. To install they want $162.50 and if I need a tank, that cost $525. I am thinking that I am gonna drop the tank myself and order the kit if needed.

Jason

at parts4chevy . com fuel pump costs 305. Ask for Jimmy, he'll help you out.

grandboy2
02-17-2009, 05:20 PM
I have and 04 Envoy SLE not extended. I have been have the ses light on for some time now. The code is for the EVAP of course. I have been smelling gas after filling up. So I looked under the vehicle found gas leaking from underneath. I called yesterday about the Special Coverage notice about the tanks. They said my Envoy wasn't covered. I was wondering if anyone has had luck on getting this fixed down under the Special Coverage Warrenty.

M165766
02-17-2009, 08:56 PM
Took my '02 in. Had it in previous for starting issues that were 'diagnosed' as weak fuel pump; actually said it bled off to fast after priming for start; apparrently should be 60 psi and was not holding but 50.
Told the folks that my wife didn't like the smell when it would finally start and showed them the letter on fuel tank problem. Asked if it could be related; first answer - "never have seen one that had the warrentee extension problem." Brought it in anyway for a check. Fifteen minutes later they came back and said they had ordered the kit per the SB. Asked if they actually found corrosion or a leak; answer - "If you said it smells that's good enough per the service manager".
To me it sounds like they are trying to avoid admitting to a serious problem by fixing any solid complaint. Let you know how it turns out.

117K three years in Michigan on lease then sent here to MO.

mxracer846
02-18-2009, 02:38 PM
My letter says 10 yrs/120,000mi.

rino1494
02-20-2009, 10:16 AM
i dropped the tank and couldn't exactly tell where it was coming from. There were some cinders on top, so I wiped off the gas and blew off the cinders with the air hose and hooked the wires and hoses back up and started the car. I stuck a mirror up under the car and could see that it was leaking from the steel pressure line. I was able to get a new pump from Advanced Auto for around $350. I threw it in and sprayed it down good with rubberized undercoating to prevent this from happening again. Now she runs like a champ and no gas smell.

Jason :thx

CURLYVOY
02-20-2009, 03:13 PM
one of the many things that happened to me .

tmurphy1
03-02-2009, 07:16 AM
Search the recalls/safety bulletin database on the "NHTSA: Recall Campaigns Database" site for this service bulletin, you may be able to get this repaired at "no charge" (depending on the area you live in, or at least get some of the dollars back you spent to repair.

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/tsbs/tsbsearch.cfm



Tom Murphy

zach316
03-13-2009, 04:12 PM
I have on several occasions smelled gas and can't seem to find a leak......I wonder.....
I had the same problem, smell gas all the time, had it checked out, the fuel module was rotted, lines and hoses rotted, they had to put in a module kit, sending unit, the lines and hoses for $987.00, GM said they know of this problem, and they only pay if the fuel module is the problem, i am not sure but i do think that the sending unit, is the important part of the module kit !!

tmurphy1
03-14-2009, 10:03 AM
Printed out the notice and took to dealer and it was repaired no charge. Recommend you look at notice, print and do the same. Tried to attach notice but it is to large to do.

Here is the link to the notice

http://nhthqnwws111.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/TSBs/2008/CSC-10026522-3981.pdf

Good luck

merkle123
04-14-2009, 06:40 PM
I just purchased the fuel pump assembly for my 02 TB EXT (made by Bosch) from my local NAPA store for $164, that is a lot better than the $349 that the other chain stores are charging and probably a better brand name at that. Hope this helps ya out. Unfortuantely I bought it and installed it before I found out that it would be replaced for free by GM:bonk:

Marc

Silver Trooper
04-22-2009, 04:14 AM
Take your receipts and go see the service manager at your dealer (or the one you would normally be using). I worked at a Chevrolet dealer for 11 years, almost two as the service manager, and you may still get some or all of it reimbursed. Make sure you talk to the service manager if the service writers give you a hard time.

zooZYyork
04-22-2009, 09:20 PM
http://nhthqnwws112.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/TSBs/2008/CSC-10026522-3981.pdf

i hope this doesnt start anytime soon for me....or at all for that matter. 10 years or 120,000 miles is the cut off. looks like im SOL with 130k+:thx

mtbucket
05-28-2009, 11:19 AM
Thanks to TMURPHY1 for posting the letter. The dealership said there was not a recall for the fuel leak issues at the sending unit. But once I showed the letter they changed their mind stating that is was not a recall but "extended warranty for that particular part". Without the letter I had no arguement. They ended up changing the sending unit at no charge.Although I did have to pay 27$CAD to replace the retaining ring that holds the sending unit in place.They said it was badly corroded and was not covered under this program. Once again thanks TMURPHY1 for saving me a bunch of money.

playstrings
05-28-2009, 11:42 AM
I just had mine done - and they covered the whole thing. If they don't give you the $27 back - ask how it will effect the survey you get from GM...??

My question is - did they seal this thing up properly now - or is it another ticking bomb ??

Does anybody know?

Regards:tiphat

szecien
06-02-2009, 08:28 AM
:):thxPrinted out the notice and took to dealer and it was repaired no charge. Recommend you look at notice, print and do the same. Tried to attach notice but it is to large to do.

Here is the link to the notice

http://nhthqnwws111.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/TSBs/2008/CSC-10026522-3981.pdf

Good luck

Psychodragon
09-23-2009, 05:38 PM
I just purchased my 2003 Trailblazer last July 2009 from a used car dealer. The TB lived its life in Ohio but now it resides in GA. It's hard life is clearly evident with all the rust/corrosion from salt so I've been doing some work to clean it up. For the past month, my wife and I have been smelling gas and it got worse a couple days ago. I took a look under the truck while it was running and sure enough it was pouring gas. When the truck is not running, it's not leaking. After looking around, I saw that a lot of people had this same problem so I took it to the Chevy dealership and they blew a lot of hot air about that I have to be the original owner for this to apply to me. Is this true? I didn't have the letter that was posted several posts back, only the NHSTA statement about the extension of the warranty to cover the corrosion of the fuel sending unit. I'll be going back tomorrow with the full letter and possibly a temper if they continue to brush this off.

Anyone here that bought their TB used and still got covered under this?

Thanks!
Daniel

WOOLUF1952
09-23-2009, 06:25 PM
I just purchased my 2003 Trailblazer last July 2009 from a used car dealer. The TB lived its life in Ohio but now it resides in GA. It's hard life is clearly evident with all the rust/corrosion from salt so I've been doing some work to clean it up. For the past month, my wife and I have been smelling gas and it got worse a couple days ago. I took a look under the truck while it was running and sure enough it was pouring gas. When the truck is not running, it's not leaking. After looking around, I saw that a lot of people had this same problem so I took it to the Chevy dealership and they blew a lot of hot air about that I have to be the original owner for this to apply to me. Is this true? I didn't have the letter that was posted several posts back, only the NHSTA statement about the extension of the warranty to cover the corrosion of the fuel sending unit. I'll be going back tomorrow with the full letter and possibly a temper if they continue to brush this off.

Anyone here that bought their TB used and still got covered under this?

Thanks!
Daniel

You should call the customer service number and ask them.:m2:

lynch55
09-23-2009, 06:41 PM
I just purchased my 2003 Trailblazer last July 2009 from a used car dealer. The TB lived its life in Ohio but now it resides in GA. It's hard life is clearly evident with all the rust/corrosion from salt so I've been doing some work to clean it up. For the past month, my wife and I have been smelling gas and it got worse a couple days ago. I took a look under the truck while it was running and sure enough it was pouring gas. When the truck is not running, it's not leaking. After looking around, I saw that a lot of people had this same problem so I took it to the Chevy dealership and they blew a lot of hot air about that I have to be the original owner for this to apply to me. Is this true? I didn't have the letter that was posted several posts back, only the NHSTA statement about the extension of the warranty to cover the corrosion of the fuel sending unit. I'll be going back tomorrow with the full letter and possibly a temper if they continue to brush this off.

Anyone here that bought their TB used and still got covered under this?

Thanks!
Daniel

If you read the letter it says nothing about being original owner, all it says is you own said vehicle and it is under the mileage criteria then it will be repaired at no cost to you!

ScarabEpic22
09-24-2009, 04:32 AM
Wonder if my 02 is suffering these same problems, Ive smelled gas a few times and had a couple EVAP codes a few years back. Now living in Spokane where they dont use salt, they use the liquid de-icer which a lof of people tell me is worse on your car.

WOOLUF1952
09-24-2009, 03:56 PM
Wonder if my 02 is suffering these same problems, Ive smelled gas a few times and had a couple EVAP codes a few years back. Now living in Spokane where they dont use salt, they use the liquid de-icer which a lof of people tell me is worse on your car.

:offtopic: :worried:I must be doubly screwed. Here they use both.

Maine Silverado
09-29-2009, 01:03 PM
Just got this repair done. Fully covered on my '02 TB LTZ with 115,576 miles on it. Glad I found this thread. I dropped it off yesterday at 4 pm and it was done by 9:30 am today. Props to Goodwin Chevrolet in Brunswick, ME.

jstans01
09-29-2009, 10:40 PM
I've been getting a CEL and p0442 code for a while now. Tried all the inexpensive things and came across this thread. Called GM about this, and after giving them my VIN, they told me that it will be fully covered and to go ahead and schedule for service and the will do the repair free of charge. Im gonna take it in and get it fixed.

Skitip
10-01-2009, 10:44 PM
Yep, I have had this problem, twice. Once when my TB was pretty new (about 2 years old) and now again. They will cover it up to 150,000 miles. I have a letter from GM stating that.

SEIKI
10-02-2009, 11:07 AM
I pick mine up from the stealership later today. I was told it was covered for 10 years or 120,000 miles. Maybe I was given incorrect information

jstans01
10-02-2009, 12:48 PM
Yup. That is what my letter says. Dropped mine off this morning.

njezrider
10-04-2009, 11:41 PM
the thread says 2002-2003 but the link(**) says 2002-2004. I have an 04. I am guessing I should just call to see if I can get mine fixed also. (I smell gas everytime I fill up )


Is this something that you put out the money first then sit and wait forever to get a check in the mail from GM or the US government, who ever runs the company now.?



** http://nhthqnwws111.odi.nhtsa.dot.go...26522-3981.pdf

jstans01
10-04-2009, 11:44 PM
the thread says 2002-2003 but the link(**) says 2002-2004. I have an 04. I am guessing I should just call to see if I can get mine fixed also. (I smell gas everytime I fill up )


Is this something that you put out the money first then sit and wait forever to get a check in the mail from GM or the US government, who ever runs the company now.?



** http://nhthqnwws111.odi.nhtsa.dot.go...26522-3981.pdf

Nope. Take it to the dealer and you pay nothing out of pocket.

onesockdesignco
10-06-2009, 08:47 PM
huh? just trailblazer and envoy? gm sent me one for my bravada:confused:
oh well, i have the 5-year warranty:thumbsup:

onesockdesignco
10-06-2009, 08:50 PM
huh? just trailblazer and envoy? gm sent me one for my bravada:confused:
oh well, i have the 5-year warranty:thumbsup:
and i dont smell gas:dielaugh::hahano:

njezrider
10-06-2009, 10:28 PM
I havent recieved anything in the Mail from GM. Is this b/c I am a second owner.?

mwfaith1971
10-07-2009, 08:15 AM
^^^ No it's not. I'm the second owner of mine and I got one. Ring 1800 630 2438...have your VIN handy and ask them what's up.

Matt

jstans01
10-07-2009, 09:13 PM
Nope. Take it to the dealer and you pay nothing out of pocket.. They put in a new tank and fuel pump. All free.

lynch55
10-07-2009, 10:08 PM
Curious, does this cover 05 Trailblazers too? I haven't noticed a gas smell but just in case, it would be good info to have!

countsr
10-08-2009, 09:34 AM
I think I have this issue also but live in Texas. Iguess I am SOL.