315 Tires / TBSS Rims are on!

[John Skiba]

The TBSS looks killer with the stock TBSS rims and 315 tires out back! It's as if GM designed the truck for them. I could of tucked them in another 1/4" but as they are, they do not come past the outter fender lip. Nothing like 12.3" wide of rubber...

Check it out...

Left= 315 Tires - Right = Stock Size :eek:

http://www.voitechwebdesign.com/misc/tbss/mods/315/rear.jpg

http://www.voitechwebdesign.com/misc/tbss/mods/315/front_rear.jpg

http://www.voitechwebdesign.com/misc/tbss/mods/315/rear_right.jpg


I'll get better pictures when it's nice out this weekend.

PACE Performance will be carrying kit for those of you who would like to do this.

[JCattSS]

Bitchin.

[ScarabEpic22]

Savage man, that is so cool. Too bad the AWD guys cant do this unless they get a new set of front tires as well so the OD of the tires are the same.

Bet its a little harder to break the rear end free now, huh?:cool:

[KWB]

Hmm...look like the Toyo's I just put on mine last week (in the stock 255 size of course).

[GM2376]

The TBSS looks killer with the stock TBSS rims and 315 tires out back! It's as if GM designed the truck for them. I could of tucked them in another 1/4" but as they are, they do not come past the outter fender lip. Nothing like 12.3" wide of rubber...

Check it out...

Left= 315 Tires - Right = Stock Size :eek:

http://www.voitechwebdesign.com/misc/tbss/mods/315/rear.jpg

http://www.voitechwebdesign.com/misc/tbss/mods/315/front_rear.jpg

http://www.voitechwebdesign.com/misc/tbss/mods/315/rear_right.jpg


I'll get better pictures when it's nice out this weekend.

PACE Performance will be carrying kit for those of you who would like to do this.

Looks nice!!!! U have a link?

[ORIONSS]

HOLY CRAP:crazy: Thats awesome.....what kind of "kit" is pace selling? Like what is it exactly?

[ImpalaSSpeed96]

It does look awesome but It'll slow me down to much:D

[bbradyc5]

John,

Glad it all worked out for you, looks good!!!! Makes we want to scrap my 295's and go to 315's now. Now that you see your clearance, do you think I should be OK with my 1.25" adapters?

[matts]

that looks good. i'm AWD, i think i'll check into putting those on the rears :undecided . think it'll be tough finding matching heights?

[Envoy Fan]

Looks good :thumbsup:

A noob as far as tires go, what is the benefit of wider tires other than looks?:undecided :undecided

[mgawlik1]

A noob as far as tires go, what is the benefit of wider tires other than looks?:undecided :undecided


More rubber on the road, better traction in dry environments for launch.

[06tahoez]

Those looks nice but i wonder how much more road debris will be kicked up on the paint now. Do you have the 3M film applied to your vehicle?

[TonyGXP]

what's the height in inches? looks mean!

[synthes02]

They look real nice man:thumbsup:

[synthes02]

More rubber on the road, better traction in dry environments for launch.

I should of known you'd have the correct answer being an EAGLES fan and all.
Go Birds !!!:thumbsup:
It must be hard as hell being a Birds fan in Texas.:D
Artman

[Red SS]

Hmmm, I wonder if there is a tire combo that works for AWD trucks so they can run 315s in the back too

[1998ta__1991rs]

how much were the wheels widened?

[GM2376]

how much were the wheels widened?

315 compared to 255's so about 2.5 inches wider

[1998ta__1991rs]

315 compared to 255's so about 2.5 inches wider

i know the tires are wider but i didnt know about the wheels, if he went with a 10"wheel or a 10.5" and what size spacer

[BOTLFED98]

looks sik

[TrailblazerSS]

Search is your friend. In this thread: http://forums.trailvoy.com/showthread.php?t=22435
He posted:

I went with 10.5" rear widened rim and 315/35/20 rears and stock front rim with a 255/45/20. I couldn't find one make/model of tire that would match perfect front diameter to the rear 315/35/20's. If I mixed and match yeah, but no one seems to carry a 245/45/20 AND 315/35/20 in the same make/model of tire. The 315's are a 28.68in and the 255/45s are 29.03... 1.21%

I'll let you know as soon as I get them. Will put up pics. Hopefully by mid next week things should be going on. I went with your recommendation on adapter. It would only tuck the rim in an 1" and the other 1.5" would be outward. (You said you went with a 1.25" spacer with the 10" and could of probably gone with a 1" spacer, so I went with a 1.5" spacer) The truck is super easy to lower in the back, the front I'll have to figure something out soon.

I never found a combination for AWD. A 275/40/20 would be a nearly perfect match for the 315/35/20, but I haven't found that size. OR a 315/40/20 combined with a 255/50/20 should work, but I haven't found a 315/40/20.

[JCattSS]

Tire rack has some and but you will pay out the a$$ for 315/35 20 and 275/40 20. I checked right after I saw this post! I check a while back and don't recall finding any though. Those are the same sizes I had on my mustang but 17 inch. 285/40 and 255/45 would be a good match also but haven't checked on availability.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compare1.jsp?width=315%2F&ratio=35&diameter=20&startIndex=0&search=true&pagelen=20&pagenum=1&pagemark=1&x=74&y=14&RunFlat=All


http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compare1.jsp?width=275%2F&ratio=40&diameter=20&startIndex=0&search=true&pagelen=20&pagenum=1&pagemark=1&x=103&y=7&RunFlat=All

Just checked you can get RSA's in the 285/40 and 255/45 :ugh:
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2306/315sbi6.jpg

[John Skiba]

Tires:
Stock TBSS - Front & Back
Goodyear RS-A 255/50/20
Weight: 38lbs
Height: 30.1"
Width: 10.4"
Total rim & tire weight: ~70lbs

Replacements used: Front
Toyo Proxes S/T 255/45/20
Weight: 33lbs
Height: 29.6"
Width: 10.1"
Total rim & tire weight: ~65lbs
Note: The front tire wheel combination is now lighter each - Total 65lbs

Replacements used: Rear
Toyo Proxes S/T 315/35/20
Weight: 35lbs
Height: 28.6"
Width: 12.3"
Total rim & tire weight: ~70lbs
Note: Although the rim width gained an additional 3lbs, the combination is still the same weight as stock.


RIMS:
Fronts: TBSS Stock 8"
Rears: TBSS 8" widened to 10.5"


Wheel Adapter:
Width: 1.5"
Material: Billet piece of 6061-T6 aluminum
Studs: Heavy Duty M12x1.50 studs pressed
Lugnuts: Cadmium plated open ended
Machine work: CNC machined w/ wheel centric lip
Weight: 7lbs (shipping weight)

Some of the things that I considered when putting this combination together:
- Weight (How do you go wider and not take a weight penalty hit? Thus the Toyo S/Ts selected. With new size & adapters, the each axle in the rear only carries about 3.5lbs or so of additional weight and looses 5lbs each in the front.)
- Traction (Hopefully with an additional 1.9" of contact path, even if the RS-A's do have size-for-size slightly better traction characteristics the Toyo Proxes width will make up for it in dry surface launch traction. )
- Visual (No need to say anything here. :) Only question is.... Why didn't GM ship the TBSS's this way?)
- Performance (I definitely didn't want to go to a taller tire than stock - weight and gear ratio would suffer. With a 28.6" tire, it still fills out the rear well nice when lowered and you have the added benefit of a better final drive ratio for performance over stock. I need to do the math on this but if you wanted to match the final drive ratio for a stock tire TBSS, you would have to change the ring/pinion in your rear to around a ~4.30 from the stock 4.10)
- Price (These tires are cheap at $226 for a 315 size! Since it's a daily driver and I have no feeling in my right foot, I wasn't going to spend $350 -$450+ per tire. )

Q&A:
Q: ScarabEpic22 - Savage man, that is so cool. Too bad the AWD guys cant do this unless they get a new set of front tires as well so the OD of the tires are the same.

Bet its a little harder to break the rear end free now, huh?:cool:
A: Thanks. AWD guys can do it also. The combination that I could find that matched didn't meet MY consideration posted above. 2wd does have benefits and being slightly off in wheel diameter is not a huge issue. As far as harder to break loose the rears... well, the RS-A's are silent spinners for the most part, the proxes seem to want others attention and sing a little.

Q: GM2376 - Looks nice!!!! U have a link?
A: Thanks! (PACE Performance reference) PACE will post the info in their vendor section soon so keep an eye out or contact parts@paceparts.com for more info.

Q: ORIONSS - HOLY CRAP:crazy: Thats awesome.....what kind of "kit" is pace selling? Like what is it exactly?
A: From my understanding it will be a NEW pair of widened GM TBSS rims with the adapters. Again, see their vendor forum for details to come.

Q: ImpalaSSpeed96 - It does look awesome but It'll slow me down to much
A: WRONG. See above specifications. They'll only slow you down if the tires really really suck in the traction department.

Q: bbradyc5 - Glad it all worked out for you, looks good!!!! Makes we want to scrap my 295's and go to 315's now. Now that you see your clearance, do you think I should be OK with my 1.25" adapters?
A: Thanks! If you can get the 315 on your 10" rim, you should be good to go. The e-brake line may be close and may need to be moved. You can always send me the adapter and I can try it. I'm 1/2" wider rim so if it works for me, you shouldn't have a problem right? ;)

Q: matts - that looks good. i'm AWD, i think i'll check into putting those on the rears . think it'll be tough finding matching heights?
A: Thanks. Finding matching heights is not the issue! Finding CHEAP matching MAKE/MODEL tire combo in the matching height is. If you don't mine running different make/model front and rear tires, you're set. OR try to stuff a larger tire on the front rim or have them widened also.

Q: Envoy Fan - Looks good
A noob as far as tires go, what is the benefit of wider tires other than looks?
A: In my case I was am also trying to eek out a little more performance multiple ways. See above specs.

Q: 06tahoez - Those looks nice but i wonder how much more road debris will be kicked up on the paint now. Do you have the 3M film applied to your vehicle?
A: No 3M film. I am not a fan of it. The fronts are slightly narrower 10.1" vs 10.4" stock and thread pattern difference may help the sides of the truck or may hurt it but right now after 13K, I don't have any "sand blasting" issues as reported by many. As far as the rear bumper... the paint on it has about 100miles. :( After being rear ended with 6K on the odo on way to work one morning months ago, I stopped working. LOLs (I was hit just hard enough to scratch up the rear plastic pretty well and bend the bumper sheet metal under it. Insurance replaced both. Good as new or better now) - Lowering the truck should also help.

Q: Tony GXP - what's the height in inches? looks mean!
A: 28.6" and thanks.

Q: 1998ta 1991rs - how much were the wheels widened?
A: 2.5" ... see above for spacer specs

Everyone else... thanks for the compliments and I should have some nicer photos coming soon. I still need to drop the front to match the rear drop. If I missed your question, please let me know.

[1998ta__1991rs]

one more question..who widened the wheels? im ready to get mine done now. thanks

[Juice]

I love the way a staggered rear set up looks..too bad you didnt go with a taller rim.

[drksyd]

(I definitely didn't want to go to a taller tire than stock - weight and gear ratio would suffer. With a 28.6" tire, it still fills out the rear well nice when lowered and you have the added benefit of a better final drive ratio for performance over stock. I need to do the math on this but if you wanted to match the final drive ratio for a stock tire TBSS, you would have to change the ring/pinion in your rear to around a ~4.30 from the stock 4.10)

John
I may be wrong but with the 1.5" shorter rear tire you'll gain better accelleration but will also have a higher rpm on the top end. I'm quite sure if you go with a taller tire you get a better final drive ratio. Good thing is though programming the pcm can correct the speedometer and odometer.

[ScarabEpic22]

Thanks for answering the q's man, it really goes a long way when guys like me who have no idea what to do for this (except keep the tire height pretty close for 4WD/AWD).

I would love to just have a set of 20s from an SS on my 02. Thinking about a 275/50/20 all around, but I will have to look an see what the local Les Schwab carries as far as Toyo Proxies S/Ts in about that size. Fortunately I can change tire sizes easily now that EFILive has a tire calc for the I6.

[ltz03]

for the awd guys to do this it would be around $1400 for the tires the matched exactly 315/35 rear and 275/40 front Michelin Diamaris tires, plus the widening of the wheels or buying them, but that would be sick, those 315's look so mean compared to the stock ones.

[Silver Ecstasy]

Tires:
Stock TBSS - Front & Back
Goodyear RS-A 255/50/20
Weight: 38lbs
Height: 30.1"
Width: 10.4"
Total rim & tire weight: ~70lbs

Replacements used: Front
Toyo Proxes S/T 255/45/20
Weight: 33lbs
Height: 29.6"
Width: 10.1"
Total rim & tire weight: ~65lbs
Note: The front tire wheel combination is now lighter each - Total 65lbs

Replacements used: Rear
Toyo Proxes S/T 315/35/20
Weight: 35lbs
Height: 28.6"
Width: 12.3"
Total rim & tire weight: ~70lbs
Note: Although the rim width gained an additional 3lbs, the combination is still the same weight as stock.


RIMS:
Fronts: TBSS Stock 8"
Rears: TBSS 8" widened to 10.5"


Wheel Adapter:
Width: 1.5"
Material: Billet piece of 6061-T6 aluminum
Studs: Heavy Duty M12x1.50 studs pressed
Lugnuts: Cadmium plated open ended
Machine work: CNC machined w/ wheel centric lip
Weight: 7lbs (shipping weight)

Some of the things that I considered when putting this combination together:
- Weight (How do you go wider and not take a weight penalty hit? Thus the Toyo S/Ts selected. With new size & adapters, the each axle in the rear only carries about 3.5lbs or so of additional weight and looses 5lbs each in the front.)
- Traction (Hopefully with an additional 1.9" of contact path, even if the RS-A's do have size-for-size slightly better traction characteristics the Toyo Proxes width will make up for it in dry surface launch traction. )
- Visual (No need to say anything here. :) Only question is.... Why didn't GM ship the TBSS's this way?)
- Performance (I definitely didn't want to go to a taller tire than stock - weight and gear ratio would suffer. With a 28.6" tire, it still fills out the rear well nice when lowered and you have the added benefit of a better final drive ratio for performance over stock. I need to do the math on this but if you wanted to match the final drive ratio for a stock tire TBSS, you would have to change the ring/pinion in your rear to around a ~4.30 from the stock 4.10)
- Price (These tires are cheap at $226 for a 315 size! Since it's a daily driver and I have no feeling in my right foot, I wasn't going to spend $350 -$450+ per tire. )

Q&A:
Q: ScarabEpic22 - Savage man, that is so cool. Too bad the AWD guys cant do this unless they get a new set of front tires as well so the OD of the tires are the same.

Bet its a little harder to break the rear end free now, huh?:cool:
A: Thanks. AWD guys can do it also. The combination that I could find that matched didn't meet MY consideration posted above. 2wd does have benefits and being slightly off in wheel diameter is not a huge issue. As far as harder to break loose the rears... well, the RS-A's are silent spinners for the most part, the proxes seem to want others attention and sing a little.

Q: GM2376 - Looks nice!!!! U have a link?
A: Thanks! (PACE Performance reference) PACE will post the info in their vendor section soon so keep an eye out or contact parts@paceparts.com for more info.

Q: ORIONSS - HOLY CRAP:crazy: Thats awesome.....what kind of "kit" is pace selling? Like what is it exactly?
A: From my understanding it will be a NEW pair of widened GM TBSS rims with the adapters. Again, see their vendor forum for details to come.

Q: ImpalaSSpeed96 - It does look awesome but It'll slow me down to much
A: WRONG. See above specifications. They'll only slow you down if the tires really really suck in the traction department.

Q: bbradyc5 - Glad it all worked out for you, looks good!!!! Makes we want to scrap my 295's and go to 315's now. Now that you see your clearance, do you think I should be OK with my 1.25" adapters?
A: Thanks! If you can get the 315 on your 10" rim, you should be good to go. The e-brake line may be close and may need to be moved. You can always send me the adapter and I can try it. I'm 1/2" wider rim so if it works for me, you shouldn't have a problem right? ;)

Q: matts - that looks good. i'm AWD, i think i'll check into putting those on the rears . think it'll be tough finding matching heights?
A: Thanks. Finding matching heights is not the issue! Finding CHEAP matching MAKE/MODEL tire combo in the matching height is. If you don't mine running different make/model front and rear tires, you're set. OR try to stuff a larger tire on the front rim or have them widened also.

Q: Envoy Fan - Looks good
A noob as far as tires go, what is the benefit of wider tires other than looks?
A: In my case I was am also trying to eek out a little more performance multiple ways. See above specs.

Q: 06tahoez - Those looks nice but i wonder how much more road debris will be kicked up on the paint now. Do you have the 3M film applied to your vehicle?
A: No 3M film. I am not a fan of it. The fronts are slightly narrower 10.1" vs 10.4" stock and thread pattern difference may help the sides of the truck or may hurt it but right now after 13K, I don't have any "sand blasting" issues as reported by many. As far as the rear bumper... the paint on it has about 100miles. :( After being rear ended with 6K on the odo on way to work one morning months ago, I stopped working. LOLs (I was hit just hard enough to scratch up the rear plastic pretty well and bend the bumper sheet metal under it. Insurance replaced both. Good as new or better now) - Lowering the truck should also help.

Q: Tony GXP - what's the height in inches? looks mean!
A: 28.6" and thanks.

Q: 1998ta 1991rs - how much were the wheels widened?
A: 2.5" ... see above for spacer specs

Everyone else... thanks for the compliments and I should have some nicer photos coming soon. I still need to drop the front to match the rear drop. If I missed your question, please let me know.

I was about to do the ignorant thing and just post my question instead of searching through the 3 pages. My patience got the best of me, so I went ahead and read it all. My main question was going to be how the stock wheels fit with no overlap on the edges. But you gave me all the answers to all my questions. Looks gorgeous though, great job!!!

[webxfx]

You want a perfect match

Rear 315/35/20

Front 275/40/20 (just not sure if it would rub)

Both come in Proxes S/T

[Sack Rat SS]

[quote=ScarabEpic22;329180]Thanks for answering the q's man, it really goes a long way when guys like me who have no idea what to do for this (except keep the tire height pretty close for 4WD/AWD).

I would love to just have a set of 20s from an SS on my 02. Thinking about a 275/50/20 all around,

Just to add fuel to this fire I am in the process of installing factory looking Goodyear RS-A tires, same tread pattern and sidewall as OEM. Front 245x45x20 and rear 295x40x20 on 2 inch widened rear factory wheels. The tire diameter is 1/2 inch taller in the rear than front and sidewall bulge is equal. Just not quite as wide in the rear as John's 315's by about 1/8 inch which is almost not noticable. It looks sleeper but more aggressive than stock. None of the tire is outside of the fender lip, just tucked into the wheelwell like factory. Next I am going to lower about 1 inch all around from factory height. You cannot lower too far or rubing can occur with the inside of the rear tire. A few other minor tweeks are needed but worth it. It is nice to have choices.

[bbradyc5]

Just to add fuel to this fire I am in the process of installing factory looking Goodyear RS-A tires, same tread pattern and sidewall as OEM. Front 245x45x20 and rear 295x40x20 on 2 inch widened rear factory wheels. The tire diameter is 1/2 inch taller in the rear than front and sidewall bulge is equal. Just not quite as wide in the rear as John's 315's by about 1/8 inch which is almost not noticable. It looks sleeper but more aggressive than stock. None of the tire is outside of the fender lip, just tucked into the wheelwell like factory. Next I am going to lower about 1 inch all around from factory height. You cannot lower too far or rubing can occur with the inside of the rear tire. A few other minor tweeks are needed but worth it. It is nice to have choices.

Same set-up as me, except I haven't replaced fronts to the 245's yet (too cheap to just scrapp the stockers, I'll wait till they're worn!). Good point on the rear lowering, noticed today on the lift that my driver side rear rim had some wear marks on the inner lip. I must be right on the edge of how low you can go without rubbing. Pass side was OK.

[1998ta__1991rs]

who are you guys getting to widen your wheels? and how much did it run? thanks

[ADM PERFORMANCE]

I have a local wheel company do them for us.

I may have them make us a few sets to stock and sell,we will require a deposit as well as a core wheel.Price is still to be determined since the first set cost a pretty good chunk.You will also need new front tires to make the package work,we are working on that as well.

Sack ratt and I started this endevor together a few weeks back,all I can say is it is well worht it.


Andy

[bbradyc5]

who are you guys getting to widen your wheels? and how much did it run? thanks

all you need to know .... http://forums.trailvoy.com/showthread.php?t=16363

[sleeper22]

315/30/24s sound good to me. That truck looks great with the wider rims and tires. Any rubbing? All 4 corners would be nice too.

[vetruck]

That is an awesome looking set up man :thumbsup:

[John Skiba]

More photos can be found here: www.voitechwebdesign.com/misc/tbss/mods/315/index.htm (http://www.voitechwebdesign.com/misc/tbss/mods/315/index.htm)

and yes, the front will be lowered soon. :p


http://www.voitechwebdesign.com/misc/tbss/mods/315/images/P4220119.jpg

http://www.voitechwebdesign.com/misc/tbss/mods/315/images/P4220115.jpg

http://www.voitechwebdesign.com/misc/tbss/mods/315/images/P4220122.jpg

http://www.voitechwebdesign.com/misc/tbss/mods/315/images/P4220125.jpg

http://www.voitechwebdesign.com/misc/tbss/mods/315/images/P4220127.jpg

I'm out of time, I'll answer the rest of the questions tomorrow.

[sleeper22]

Maybe using a slightly bigger spacer on the one side would make the 2 tires stick out the same. Have you tried them on the front?

[John Skiba]

Maybe using a slightly bigger spacer on the one side would make the 2 tires stick out the same. Have you tried them on the front?

Isn't it amazing how a different camera angle can make things look different? I need to take pictures of both sides with the same angles for you guys. Neither side stick out past the fender.

Heres: A great example of how the photo angle can make it look like it does. The first photo is the back shot that shows how much the wheel is tucked in and the second photo is the same side slightly stepped out away from the truck. If you only saw the second shot, you would bet that it sticks out past the fender. The other side is the same.

http://www.voitechwebdesign.com/misc/tbss/mods/315/images/P4220125.jpg

http://www.voitechwebdesign.com/misc/tbss/mods/315/images/P4220126.jpg

I did not consider larger sized rims as that would defeat the purpose of going to a smaller tire, loosing the stock look, be more expensive and probably weigh more. As far as the fronts, I would never consider putting on 315's. I prefer the staggered look and again it would defeat the performance/weight benefits on trying to stuff such a large tire up front. 255's for the fronts as stock are more than enough.

PACE Performance said that they should have pricing finalized soon. They are not going to be doing cores as quality of work is important to them and starting out with a possible damaged rim is not ideal.

[Sack Rat SS]

John, a very excellent look on your car. All this fit and tweeking takes quite a bit more planing than most would think just to get more rubber on the road and lower the car overall. I can appreciate all that you have done. 315's on the front would be a joke unless one would autocross the vehicle and still would have clearance problems.

On another note, from an aesthetic point going to 22 or 24 inch wheels seems out of proportion for the TBSS. Just my subjective opinion. When you view thru the spokes of most aftermarket wheels, not all, and do not see a brake rotor/caliper in proportion to the wheel it looks wimpy. Big wheel with small brakes. If the wheel has multiple spokes, more than six, then it is not as noticable. It would take 14 inch plus rotors with front 6 piston calipers and at least 4 piston caliper's on the rear to fill in the space. I am one that likes the sleeper, original OEM look but just taken to a slightly higher level. With you using widened OEM wheels it appears you feel the same. Great look.:yes: :yes:

[Chi-TownSS]

Those look awesome! :thumbsup: Where abouts are you in IL, I would love to check those out up close.

[sleeper22]

I believe from the factory the rear passenger sided rim is set deeper into the vehicle then the driver side. It is only 1/2 inch or so, but there is a difference. You can see it in your pictures too.

[OurZoo]

Looks awwwsome mang! Gonna put those on mine when I burn the stockers.

[webxfx]

also love the look of the 315's but wonder how it will do if its lowered

[Sack Rat SS]

also love the look of the 315's but wonder how it will do if its lowered

That is another reason I went with 295's. I am lowering the rear 1 inch.

[ylab]

You want a perfect match

Rear 315/35/20

Front 275/40/20 (just not sure if it would rub)

Both come in Proxes S/T

Provided the rim has the correct offset for it, no reason the 275/40/20 would rub.....plenty of us with 275/45/20, with the same height but slightly taller without rubbing.

Really like the look with those huge tires and dry (and maybe wet) traction should be improved. Just don't drive in the snow, wider usually means more float.

[John Skiba]

John
I may be wrong but with the 1.5" shorter rear tire you'll gain better accelleration but will also have a higher rpm on the top end. I'm quite sure if you go with a taller tire you get a better final drive ratio. Good thing is though programming the pcm can correct the speedometer and odometer.

Better acceleration in what I'm after and loosing top end is definitely not an issue. I have no interest in taking this SUV to top end anytime soon. Considering that I go through the traps at about 4900rpm @ 103mph, I could definitely benefit from giving up a little more rpm.

John, a very excellent look on your car. All this fit and tweeking takes quite a bit more planing than most would think just to get more rubber on the road and lower the car overall. I can appreciate all that you have done. 315's on the front would be a joke unless one would autocross the vehicle and still would have clearance problems.

On another note, from an aesthetic point going to 22 or 24 inch wheels seems out of proportion for the TBSS. Just my subjective opinion. When you view thru the spokes of most aftermarket wheels, not all, and do not see a brake rotor/caliper in proportion to the wheel it looks wimpy. Big wheel with small brakes. If the wheel has multiple spokes, more than six, then it is not as noticable. It would take 14 inch plus rotors with front 6 piston calipers and at least 4 piston caliper's on the rear to fill in the space. I am one that likes the sleeper, original OEM look but just taken to a slightly higher level. With you using widened OEM wheels it appears you feel the same. Great look.:yes: :yes:

Thanks Sack Rat SS. Since you and Andy have the 295 working but tucked in, I know that you understand that their is more to it than just mounting on a 2" or 2.5" widened rim. Although mine tucks in an 1" more than stock or so, I know you guys are going deeper and that require more work. I have considered going deeper into the wheel well like you and Andy did however I was concerned that 1) on aggressive turns, etc inner rub 2) I think wide tires should fill out the well nicely.... for me this means being inline with the very nice beefy TBSS fender flares.

I never considered 22's or 24's. That IMO is to much for a TBSS especially if you want to have more than 2 inches of rubber sidewall and maintain performance. I also really like the stock TBSS rims... if they were only highly polished or chromed. Brakes size look is another good point. Like you said we feel the same about this and I look forward to your photos!

Those look awesome! :thumbsup: Where abouts are you in IL, I would love to check those out up close. Photos were taken in Tinley. I've probably seen you on 159th before.

also love the look of the 315's but wonder how it will do if its loweredThe truck is lowered quite a bit. You definitely wouldn't want to see it not lowered. It actually sits at 30.5" right now in the rear. Not slammed but looks evenly spaced all around the wheel.

That is another reason I went with 295's. I am lowering the rear 1 inch.As I said, they are lowered. I did have them lower but brought them up as I am running the stock bumpstops and it was just a bad ride about 50% of the time. At this height right now I'm happy with the ride quality about 80% of the time. You only notice bumpstop bounce on bad repaired roads, railroad tracks, etc... normal street driving is more than acceptable for me. I will check clearances to fender and see if I have room to trim the bumpstops any to increase suspension travel a little more. However, the way it is now is perfectly livable for me.

If you guys are contacting Pace Performance about these wheels, ask for Greg Was as he is putting this package together.

[1998ta__1991rs]

are you going to let us know when pace releases the kit? any idea on what pricing may be? thanks

[John Skiba]

Yes, Pace Performance will be making a post in their section. I will let you guys know when I see it.

[FAMU92]

how wide/tall could one go on the stock rims? :confused:

Just curious as an alternative option to spacers and what not.

[John Skiba]

how wide/tall could one go on the stock rims? :confused:

Just curious as an alternative option to spacers and what not.

Stock rims are 8" wide so what ever tire will fit on an 8" wide minimum recommendation. Just remember, you'll just get a lot of sidewall buldge. There is enough room for the tire to go in as long as you don't go taller than stock also, especially in the front.

There are quite a few threads on the max tire width on the stock rim.

[webxfx]

Was a package ever offered from Pace?

[bbradyc5]

I don't think they ever followed thru with it. Going to have to contact vendors yourself. Wedlcraft in Michigan for the widening and Skulte Performance for billet bolt-on adapters is who I used.