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Murp4099
09-10-2007, 06:05 PM
Now i finally found all of this info after weeks of searching, and i wanted to present this research to everyone: Hope this clears some things up...

Nav part numbers:

Newest revision LUX TNR (15800001)
Second Revision LUX TNR (15230099)
First Revision LUX TNR (10377531)

Newest revision NON-LUX TNR (15800000)
second Revision NON-LUX TNR (10379287)
First Revision NON-LUX TNR (10377287)
Alt. Revision NON-LUX TNR (15120706)

Newest Revision LUX INR (15204335)
First Revision LUX INR (5204334)
Newest Revision NON-LUX INR (15108241)

NON-BOSE TNR (trucks with UQ3/UQ5 non-Bose audio) (15811289)

LUX Amplifier numbers: (all are identical in function, they just have different part numbers)

15199992
15114445
15114454
15191601
15112662
15199884

Nav Antennas

First revision antenna (15207447)
Latest revision antenna (15135178)

LUX vs. NON-LUX
(Thanks to DURAtotheMAX from The Diesel Place)

Here is exactly how the NON-LUX and LUX amps differ and why the LUX amp sounds better than the premium amp. Sorry for my long
winded explanation...i sort of got carried away (this is the
explanation I sent to another guy that was interested in the lux amp
conversion too...except he did only the LUX amp...no TNR)!!!
So normally in an after market amp/speaker system, you have a head
unit (the radio), an amp, and speakers. The head unit sends a "low
level" signal to the amp. This low level signal varies in output
"slightly" as the volume knob is turned up or down. The amp takes this
signal and greatly amplifies it and sends the high-power, high level
signal to the speakers. When you turn up the volume knob, the "low
level" signal gets slightly more powerful and the amp then amplifies
this and you hear it as "louder sound". Follow me? If I get too
confusing at any point, just PM me or email me!! The amp also has an "amp turn
on" wire which is basically a power wire from the head unit so when
the head unit turns on, it tells the amp to turn on. Kinda like a
relay. The Bose "Premium" system works on this exact same principal.
We kinda refer to the Bose Premium amp/system as the "dumb amp",
because thats basically what it is. It sits there just like a fool and
just "makes louder" whatever is thrown at it. It does not know what it
is attached to and has no interaction with the car at all (you could
hook it up to a telephone for all it cares). This is probably where it
loses quality. The wires from the head unit probably pick up a lot of
interference because GM doesn't think and they just bundle the thin
wires right along side electrical wires etc... The stronger the audio
signal passing through the wires, the more suseptable the signal is too
interference. So, technically, the more you increase the volume, the
more interference the wires pick up. Also, you have to think about
that the "dumb" amp's "volume" (called 'gain') is always cranked to
the MAX, so when you vary the "output" from the radio, you can get a
full volume range from quiet to really loud. If the Dumb Amp's gain
was not turned up all the way, than the system would not go loud even
if you turned up the radio all the way. Follow me? Its like if you
have a water hose hooked up to a faucet and on the end of the hose you
have a variable water valve. Think of the faucet's knob as the volume
knob on the radio. And think of that valve on the end of the hose as
the "gain" control on the dumb amp. Now, if you only opened up the
valve on the end of the hose a little bit, not a lot of water will
come out no matter how wide open you turn the faucet's knob. SO... the
valve at the end of the hose has to be wide open all the time in order
for you to be able to control it (the volume/water flow) at the
faucet's (radio's) knob. This is a disadvantage because on cheaper
quality amplifiers (which the 'dumb amp' is), when the gain is cranked
up all the way, you introduce lots of distortion and quality loss even
tho the volume is not up all the way. That is why the 'dumb amp' does
not sound all that great (and like a Bose system should!!!

NOW... The lux amp works completely differently.
It is a "smart amp" in that is has a full on-board computer and DSP
(digital signal/sound processor). It is fully integrated with the
vehicle in that it communicates with everything in the vehicle over
the Class II data bus. (like a computer LAN) Now.. the head unit in
"LUX" vehicles sends a VERY low level constant signal to the amp that
does NOT change. Even when you turn the volume and play with the
fader/balance. The head unit does NOTHING to audio. It does not apply
bass or treble changes, it doesn't fade/balance it, nothing!! It just
sends a constant low level left and right (it doesn't send rear
signals) audio signal to the amp. The amp receives this and the amp's
DSP "optimizes" the sound to do whatever Bose does to it etc.. AND the
amp constantly talks to the head unit over the Class II data bus to
receive volume, fader, balance, bass, treble and mid-range
information. So, when you turn the volume knob up in a LUX vehicle,
you are not simply increasing the output of the low-level signal from
the head unit. You are sending a signal directly to the LUX amp that
says "hey turn up the volume a bit". And then the amp just increases
the output level to the speakers. Same thing with the fader, because
remember the head unit does not output separate "rear" channels. The
amp is smart enough to "make up" a rear channel (for the rear
speakers) based on the fader setting that the radio is sending it over
the Class II network. its really pretty cool how it all works! Same
thing with Bass and treble too. You press some buttons on the radio to
increase the bass and the radio says to the amp "hey, adjust your EQ
for some more bass". Running the LUX amp this way keeps the audio
signals coming from the radio at a constant low level so not a lot of
interference can come in from power wires running along side... Also,
think back to my "water faucet/hose" analogy. Its like instead of
keeping the end valve wide open and controlling flow with the faucet's
knob, you are doing the opposite. You are keeping the audio signal low
and constant while just controlling actual volume of the music with
the "gain" control on the LUX amp. AND thats why the LUX amp sounds
50 times better than the Premium, or DUMB amp!! Another nice thing
about the LUX amp is that it does not need an "amp turn on" wire or
anything because that is all done with Class II data. And you can
program a LUX amp for which vehicle it is in and it will alter the
sound processing sequences to make the sound perfect for the size
cabin it is in! (for example, it is going to have to be programmed
differently if it is in a huge cabin Escalade ESV versus a smaller
extended cab Sierra Denali (thats the only truck that gets a lux amp
from the factory...if you dont count the Escalade EXT as a truck)

Wake
09-10-2007, 06:41 PM
Thanks for putting together that list... :thumbsup:

I just installed an OEM nav in my 02 but had different part numbers from what you listed...

Mine is part# 15204334 for the radio (maybe because it's a reman the last digit is 4 instead of 5???), and the antenna came in a box labeled, #10355766... More options maybe???

turbomike
09-10-2007, 10:51 PM
Murp4099
The Nav radios you have listed will work ,but the "LUX" amps you have listed will not work in a GMT360. They are for full size trucks and SUV's which are 8 channel amps with a dual voice coil sub in the console. Correct 6 channel Bose Class II "LUX" amps for GMT360's are: 15099842 or 15112642.

Aerostud1026
09-11-2007, 12:57 AM
mods should sticky this.......good write up :D

shaneomac
09-11-2007, 02:45 AM
thanks for this write up. i am wanting to do this mod on ours cuz our non-bose cd player is not wanting to play cds and i would like to have the nav. ne specific info u could help me with on picking which setup to go with would greatly be appericated thanks in advance.
:thx

hailtoby
09-11-2007, 12:41 PM
Nice write up. There is tons of info on this subject, its just scattered about in 3 million threads over the last two years. One thing you might consider adding to the first post is a list of the years that have LUX vs years with non-LUX. That would really make this THE definitive nav/lux thread.

turbomike
09-11-2007, 02:54 PM
Nice write up. There is tons of info on this subject, its just scattered about in 3 million threads over the last two years. One thing you might consider adding to the first post is a list of the years that have LUX vs years with non-LUX. That would really make this THE definitive nav/lux thread.

I'm in the process of converting to the LUX amp. Attached link is pic of Lux amp I purchsaed from an 03 Trailblazer vs non-Lux amp in my 05 Rainier.

http://s230.photobucket.com/albums/ee291/turbomike87/?action=view&current=GMT360BoseAmps.jpg

Envoy Fan
09-11-2007, 05:08 PM
I'm in the process of converting to the LUX amp. Attached link is pic of Lux amp I purchsaed from an 03 Trailblazer vs non-Lux amp in my 05 Rainier.

http://s230.photobucket.com/albums/ee291/turbomike87/?action=view&current=GMT360BoseAmps.jpg

Who did you get to program your head unit to LUX?

Murp4099
09-11-2007, 11:09 PM
Nice write up. There is tons of info on this subject, its just scattered about in 3 million threads over the last two years. One thing you might consider adding to the first post is a list of the years that have LUX vs years with non-LUX. That would really make this THE definitive nav/lux thread.

LUX:
02-03 and 04's built before 11/03 will have the Bose Lux amp. Trailblazers Use RPO code "UQA" for their Bose identifier...For the 02-03 and the select 04 Trailblazers our "UQA" RPO code is the equivalent to the "Y91" RPO code on the Escalade and Tahoe Which is the "Bose Luxury Package" (LUX Model).

NON LUX:
Anything built after that has the Bose NON-LUX amp.

NOTE:
IF YOU HAVE THE LUX SYSTEM YOU NEED THE LUX NAVIGATION SETUP!

IF YOU HAVE THE NON-LUX SYSTEM YOU NEED THE NON-LUX NAVIGATION SETUP!

The two systems are NOT interchangeable if you are looking for Plug-n-Play...

justin99
09-16-2007, 12:09 AM
I installed a non lux unit in my 04 envoy and it was plug and play. Only issue I am having is that the sound is no where near as loud as it was before. Anyone have any idea why?

Envoy Fan
09-16-2007, 10:28 AM
I installed a non lux unit in my 04 envoy and it was plug and play. Only issue I am having is that the sound is no where near as loud as it was before. Anyone have any idea why?

Did your origional OEM system have Bose head unit?

justin99
09-16-2007, 11:53 AM
No, it does not say Bose anywhere on it. It is just the regular cd player with RDS.

npetric
10-02-2007, 12:03 AM
Lookingo add factory NAV to the wifes 02 sle envoy w/o bose system. IS it possible or can I add bose then NAV?
TIA
Nick

edjnsd
10-02-2007, 01:25 AM
It's not more than I wanted to know!!! :undecided
What about all those "New ones" for sale on Ebay... anyone
have a list of which ones of those are Lux vs Non-Lux???
I know my 02 Envoy has the Lux amp... and I know I can find
the older versions in Lux, but what about these newer ones...
you know... with a CD and DVD slot, that can actually play
DVDs....???? Of course for the money they are asking for those
I could go New Aftermarket system... hmmm... decisions, decisions....

Envoy Fan
10-02-2007, 11:14 AM
It's not more than I wanted to know!!! :undecided
What about all those "New ones" for sale on Ebay... anyone
have a list of which ones of those are Lux vs Non-Lux???
I know my 02 Envoy has the Lux amp... and I know I can find
the older versions in Lux, but what about these newer ones...
you know... with a CD and DVD slot, that can actually play
DVDs....???? Of course for the money they are asking for those
I could go New Aftermarket system... hmmm... decisions, decisions....

The correct NAV for your truck will only have one slot, either the NAV or CD can be used at the time. If you want DVD playing and CD while doing NAV you will need to go aftermarket.

justin99
10-02-2007, 09:17 PM
Just curious if its possible to output the display from the factory nav. to other monitors? I just ordered some headrest screens and even though i can sit in the back and drive i thought it would be neat.

Chickengas
10-06-2007, 01:29 AM
If the unit listed below works in a 2003 Trialblazer, why wont it work in a 2002 Trailblazer?

i have the LUX Bose amp...wont it just plug in?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Escalade-Denali-GM-GPS-Tahoe-hummer-h2-Navigation-Radio_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ38653QQihZ018QQit emZ280160195879QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Envoy Fan
10-06-2007, 09:41 AM
If the unit listed below works in a 2003 Trialblazer, why wont it work in a 2002 Trailblazer?

i have the LUX Bose amp...wont it just plug in?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Escalade-Denali-GM-GPS-Tahoe-hummer-h2-Navigation-Radio_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ38653QQihZ018QQit emZ280160195879QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

It should work. Who told you it wouldn't?

Chickengas
10-06-2007, 12:46 PM
Pretty much every ebay add around. "works with all 2003-2006 trailblazers, envoy etc etc etc"

Just curious why 2002 is left out all the time. Ignorance? Incompatibility? I've never seen an add that says these will work with 2002's. :sadcry:

Chickengas
10-14-2007, 03:32 AM
This seems like a cool deck. Is there ANY chance it would plug into a 2002 TB w/Bose LUX?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280149682363

Envoy Fan
10-14-2007, 10:05 AM
This seems like a cool deck. Is there ANY chance it would plug into a 2002 TB w/Bose LUX?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280149682363

Absolutely not. Newer generation NAV.

Need one like this. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280161579147&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RCRX_Pr4_PcY_BIN_IT&refitem=280149682363&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&usedrule1=CrossSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget

Chickengas
10-14-2007, 02:58 PM
Not even with a different wiring harness or some kind of adapter?

Ben98gs
12-15-2007, 03:11 PM
Lookingo add factory NAV to the wifes 02 sle envoy w/o bose system. IS it possible or can I add bose then NAV?
TIA
Nick

I am interested in this too... I am even willing to swap wiring harnesses over if needed. What would I need to do to add OEM Nav to a non-Bose vehicle.

mswartz
01-11-2008, 11:29 PM
The head unit has to be able to tie in to the vehicle data system and this can't be done!

I worked at a dealership and did some research from what I have found out it kina like you speaking english and me speaking spanish. If neither of us know the others language their is no way to respond this is the same for the vehicle data system!

I wish I was wrong! the new NAV is clearer and has better mapping pin points.


4 DOR VTT

SportinLS2
01-13-2008, 10:13 AM
:bonk:

I've been hunting ebay for weeks now most are LUX head nav units now.

Do I understand the reply "UQA" is equivilant to "Y91" in the larger trucks?

Really interested if anyone has the 15800001 installed in an SS...

Thanks tons!

Envoy Fan
01-13-2008, 10:18 AM
:bonk:

I've been hunting ebay for weeks now most are LUX head nav units now.

Do I understand the reply "UQA" is equivilant to "Y91" in the larger trucks?

Really interested if anyone has the 15800001 installed in an SS...

Thanks tons!

IIRC member 02redhawk has done this. But to do it necessary to get the Lux Amp and some hard to find wiring connectors.

turbomike
01-13-2008, 12:45 PM
:bonk:

I've been hunting ebay for weeks now most are LUX head nav units now.

Do I understand the reply "UQA" is equivilant to "Y91" in the larger trucks?

Really interested if anyone has the 15800001 installed in an SS...

Thanks tons!

UQA is the Bose speaker code for all year GMT360's and has nothing to do with either Lux or non-Lux amps. Dealer should be able to program the Bose Nav unit for either amp. Difference is: non-Lux has the analog amp which has variable inputs for volume, fader, bass, treble, etc. Lux has the digital amp which has a constant level 2ch input and the HU controls amp output and functions via the Class II data bus.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee291/turbomike87/GMT360BoseAmps.jpg

SportinLS2
01-13-2008, 10:07 PM
WOW! You guys really know your stuff...

And Thanks for repling to such an old thread.

Peace.

bluemotev
01-26-2008, 01:28 PM
Will a Bose Lux amplifier from an older vehicle, say a 2002, work in a 2004?

Miles1106
02-28-2008, 06:49 PM
Can somebody answer this question!!!!:hissy:

Looking to add factory NAV to the wifes 02 sle envoy w/o bose system. IS it possible or can I add bose then NAV?
TIA
Nick

Nobody has answered this!! It seems like the guys jump all around this question. I don't have the Bose system but I have a 6 disc cd changer. By the way what is RDS?:confused:

I want to go up to the Nav to get the screen factor. Can we who have the non-bose system all together ever achieve a serious upgrade like the great Nav system?:mad:

Envoy Fan
02-28-2008, 08:13 PM
Can somebody answer this question!!!!:hissy:



Nobody has answered this!! It seems like the guys jump all around this question. I don't have the Bose system but I have a 6 disc cd changer. By the way what is RDS?:confused:

I want to go up to the Nav to get the screen factor. Can we who have the non-bose system all together ever achieve a serious upgrade like the great Nav system?:mad:

You need to do some more research. IIRC, the Buick Rendivous (sp) had a non Bose NAV system that might work.

steve4459
02-28-2008, 08:24 PM
I have heard talk about the Buick Rendivous having a nav system that would work in a non Bose Trailblazer, but I was never able to confirm this info. If anyone knows if this would work please let us know.

Miles1106
02-28-2008, 10:32 PM
I searched the forums like crazy and I found this. :woohoo:

P/N 15811289
Non-Bose
Non-Lux
Radio with Navigation

In my negligence and excitement I forgot to post the link.:bonk:
So in essence I answered my own question. Although I haven't googled or yahooed the part number, I will soon. If anyone has anymore insight its more than welcome from me. The first thing you can tell me is; where to get one for a reasonable price AND OH, who knows the part number the Rendevous that has the Non-Bose Nav. That information will help too.:thumbsup:

ILFF
03-17-2008, 03:16 AM
ok guys so I have an 04 Rainer with bose what the best way to find out if its LUX or NON-LUX?:thx

Envoy Fan
03-17-2008, 10:24 AM
ok guys so I have an 04 Rainer with bose what the best way to find out if its LUX or NON-LUX?:thx

What is the exact build date of the truck? A GM parts dept can tell you this with your VIN.

Can also tear off the trim on the rear passenger side and look at the amplifier. :bonk:

ILFF
03-18-2008, 04:19 PM
02/04 so its NON LUX?

turbomike
03-18-2008, 04:57 PM
Should be "non-Lux"

4havnfun
03-26-2008, 09:42 PM
I have been searching the threads trying to understand the options to add a TNR to my non-Bose 07 Rainier.

There seems to be a general consensus that 15811289 will work but I've also seen references that the following numbers will work.

10333560
15229837
17801147

Is anyone in a position to confirm any of these? Do you know what the differences between them are?

It will expand the options to find something on ebay for those of us without factory Bose.

Thanks,

Glenn

CC801
04-08-2008, 02:00 PM
alright so i have a 06 envoy bose/nav.what do i need to get to switch it to lux?and which part number amp is better if any?

impynyc
04-08-2008, 09:28 PM
My brother has a 2004 Envoy SLE without the bose system. It's a base model with out XM or onstar. Last year he bought a NON LUX Delphi touch screen radio from the dealer I work at. The radio pluged in without any programing and worked fine. We did have to add the the VSS signal to the factory radio connector with the supplyed pined wire. Then he upgraded to a GM XM radio kit. Pluged into stock radio and factory pigtails. It works great. Last week he traded the truck into the dealer for another truck (Volvo yuck). We removed the radio, XM and other stuff. My question is can this nav radio work in an older GM car. I created a wiring harness to adapt the newer radio to the older GM car (1995 impala ss). Will this work?

Thanks

91RS
05-20-2008, 09:10 AM
Does anyone have the part number for a Trailblazer GPS antenna?

opensky108
07-05-2008, 11:40 PM
I suppose I am a bit of a GMT360 snob. I am a pround owner of a low mileage '06 Saab 9-7x 5.3. I am looking to put in a factory Nav unit but am having difficulty finding the part number. Also, I would like to add the OEM XM unit as well. Any ideas?

91RS
07-06-2008, 08:03 AM
Just get the 15800000 radio, that's the latest version. I couldn't help you with the XM though, I didn't bother with it in my truck.

Steve36
09-18-2008, 11:59 AM
I have been reading over these threads and need a clarification. I have a 2007 Traillazer LT without the Bose system does have XM. I would like to purchase the Nav system. There are several in the "marketplace". Do I need a Non Lux unit? What esle will I need to convert this over? Thanks

91RS
09-18-2008, 05:49 PM
I have been reading over these threads and need a clarification. I have a 2007 Traillazer LT without the Bose system does have XM. I would like to purchase the Nav system. There are several in the "marketplace". Do I need a Non Lux unit? What esle will I need to convert this over? Thanks

You need non-lux. The Lux Bose systems in the TBs only went from 2002 to early 2004.

JDahl
10-30-2008, 03:51 PM
After reading this thread, I am still confused which Navigation unit would fit my trailblazer. I don't have bose, and it has the standard cd player in it. In addition what is the difference with INR and TNR

91RS
10-30-2008, 04:39 PM
After reading this thread, I am still confused which Navigation unit would fit my trailblazer. I don't have bose, and it has the standard cd player in it. In addition what is the difference with INR and TNR

TNR is touchscreen INR is non-touchscreen. Since you don't have Bose, you'll have to find a radio that is for non-Bose trucks. Which won't be easy to do since most of them had Bose either in lux or non-lux. They are out there, but you'll just have th search. And dont' trust the descriptions on eBay, most of those sellers have no clue what they have. Search for the part number to find what you need.

Envoy Fan
10-30-2008, 06:07 PM
JDhl, If you want the OEM look, you will need to get one out of a Buick Rendezvous without Bose.

JDahl
10-30-2008, 08:23 PM
So which one of these (from the beginning of the thread) part numbers would apply to my trailblazer. I have a rpo code of UB0

91RS
10-30-2008, 09:39 PM
So which one of these (from the beginning of the thread) part numbers would apply to my trailblazer. I have a rpo code of UB0

You need the 15811289. That is the touchscreen for non-Bose trucks. There are none on eBay right now though.

palafoja
11-13-2008, 01:16 PM
will a Second Revision LUX TNR (15230099) work in a 03 Tb Lt with bose syten and the UQA rpo????

91RS
11-13-2008, 01:36 PM
will a Second Revision LUX TNR (15230099) work in a 03 Tb Lt with bose syten and the UQA rpo????

Yes, but you will need to run a wire for the VSS.

palafoja
11-14-2008, 06:30 AM
Vss Wire??? More Info Please!!

What? Why? How?

91RS
11-14-2008, 07:13 AM
Here's the part of DURAtotheMAX's installation instructions that covers the VSS wire.

***NOTE*** You MAY or MAY NOT have to do this step (wire the VSS wire).
For 2005, im 99% sure all of the GMT-800 vehicles already have the
VSS wire in place as standard. My '05 Duramax LT Crew Cab already had
itÖ If your truck is a 2005 there is no
reason it shouldnt have it. 2004.5 MAY or may not have it. 2003 and
early 2004 definetly wont have it; only the Escalades and Denali's had
it back then because the Nav was an option that was exclusive to
those two vehicles... You can check for it
by looking at the radio C2 connector (the smaller one). Check if there
is a DARK GREEN wire going into pin "E". If its there, the VSS wire is
already in place and you dont have to worry about wiring it.
Alternatively, you can temporarrily plug in the TNR and start driving
forward...if the "destination programming screen/section" gets grayed
out as you go above 10 mph or so, then the VSS wire is working
properly.***

VSS WIRING INSTRUCTIONS IF YOU DONíT ALREADY HAVE THE WIRE:

You will have to remove the instrument cluster. Unbolt the 4
bolts that hold it in and pull it forward and unplug it. Find the wire
that goes into the A4 pin of the gauges connector. It will be a green
with white stripe wire. This is the VSS wire. Use a plastic wire
tap/Scotchloc connector and tap into this wire. Run the wire and make
sure it is long enough to reach the "radio C2" connector (the smaller
radio connector). Now take another of those "unused" pins that you cut
off of the amp harness. Splice it onto the end of the "new" VSS wire.
Then, pry off the pin retaining clip from the radio C2 connector. Then
push the pin into the "E" position. (see diagrams for which position
is E...its also in tiny tiny letters on the plastic connector) Snap
the retaining clip back on.

palafoja
11-14-2008, 10:01 AM
wouldn't my 03 Tb have the vss wire, since my original in-dash 6 disc changer has the AUTO VOLUME option that works as i speed up. i'm guessing it is already there.



?????????????????

palafoja
11-19-2008, 06:19 AM
I finally insatlled my tnr 15230099 in my 03 TB but i still don't know if it will work because it has the theftlock activated, i called the dealer and they say it is not possible to unlock it because they need to know what vehicle the unit came from. How did everybody unlock theire's????

if i get it unlock, will it work?? I have an 03 TB, RPO "UQA" and according to what i read that is the lux system and the radio i got is for the lux system.

91RS
11-19-2008, 07:06 AM
The dealer can unlock it. It's done with the Tech II on the navigation units. They don't need to know what vehicle it came from. The problem is that you're talking to a service advisor and when someone calls in with something like this they just blow you off instead of going and asking if anyone knows how to do it. Tell them to hook the Tech II to your truck and build the vehicle as a 2005 "C" truck and go into Body and select that it has Navigation. Then go to the Radio and somewhere in there there's an option to relearn the VIN or something to that affect. They'll probably tell you that they can't select a different type of vehicle like that, but just tell them you want them to do it anyway. It will work because that's exactly how I did it, just tell them it has to be done that way because Trailblazers couldn't get navigation from the factory until 2004.

Once they unlock it, it will work. Did you already run the VSS wire?

palafoja
11-19-2008, 02:49 PM
ok, i finally got the dealer to unlock my stereo, but NO SOUND COMES FROM THE SPEAKERS??? i though UQA was a lux system and that the stero i put(15230099) was for the lux system.

any ideas?????

HELP

91RS
11-19-2008, 05:42 PM
That part number is definately a lux radio and 2002 through early 2004 TBs are lux Bose. There's no sound at all? Are there any chimes (like when you leave the key in the ignition and open the door or leave the lights on)?

palafoja
11-19-2008, 07:31 PM
the chime is on, if i leave the key in or the lights on, the chime goes on. I know for fact that gm puts the chime in the radio and comes trough the speaker. and it does work, but no music from the radio nor a cd.



HELP:thx

palafoja
11-19-2008, 07:34 PM
That part number is definately a lux radio and 2002 through early 2004 TBs are lux Bose. There's no sound at all? Are there any chimes (like when you leave the key in the ignition and open the door or leave the lights on)?

by the way this is what i think is my amp gm #15187195

91RS
11-19-2008, 08:29 PM
You're correct, if you can hear the chimes then there should be sound from the radio and CD too. I was going to suggest making sure the antenna is hooked up, but if there's no sound from the CD then that probably won't help. That just doesn't make sense, if it's making the chimes then it's obviously capable of putting out sound.

palafoja
11-19-2008, 08:56 PM
What the dealer told was to go to a Radio shop so they can program it for me, but I don;t know if radios are progamable:suicide:, i thought it was either plug and play or plug, unlock and play.

:thx

I'll keep looking, if you or anybody knows anything about this, i'll appriciate it
:duh:

91RS
11-19-2008, 09:11 PM
They are supposed to be plug-n-play. I had no problems putting my radio in my truck. I tested a lux radio in my mom's non-lux Tahoe and there was no sound what-so-ever, not even chimes, so it seems like something is definately strange here. Have you tried turning the volume way up and see if you can hear anything (like even a buzzing sound)?

palafoja
11-19-2008, 11:03 PM
:suicide::weird:I just found out the nav radio(15230099) i put on came out of an 06 TB, i understand 06's have the non lux in it, but 15230099 is a lux unit(refurb). How could this work on an 06? That makes me think that the units are programable depending on the system you are using it. either that or Could it be that I did not plug one of the connectors to the back of the radio?? or my amp just died???


This is driving me crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bonk::bonk::bonk::weird::hissy ::duh::suicide::weird::suicide::bonk:

91RS
11-20-2008, 08:05 AM
Ohh, you bought that one. I saw that one on there and I e-mailed the seller to let him know that the part number said the radio was a lux radio and he told me it came from a 06 Trailblazer. Then I remembered there's a guy who can reprogram these nav radios and make a non-lux radio lux and vise versa for like $50 and whoever owned that radio must have had it reprogrammed.

Do you have a friend or family member who has a 2003-2006 full size truck (Silverado, Tahoe, etc.) with Bose? You can pull the radio back out and test it if someone has one of those trucks. If you plug it in with the key off and just turn the key to accessory (NOT ignition on) and it will work even with the theftlock, just don't turn hte key to ignition on or the theftlock will activate.

palafoja
11-20-2008, 10:50 PM
Hey what's up?

I decided to take the unit out of my TB and put my 6 disc changer back.
I'll call this place where they refurbish gm nav. systems. when I took out the unit I saw it says was manufactured in '05. GMT800, which is a full size truck, being a lux unit I think it was on an escalade or denalli before putting it on The TB.

I'll find out if they refurbish it and reprogram it to my lux amp. if not i'll sell it or something.


suggestions are welcome

05ENVOYXL
12-10-2008, 08:29 PM
I have been reading over these threads and need a clarification. I have a 2005 envoy xl with the Bose system ,XM and rear dvd player what nav do i need

cinsu
12-11-2008, 01:14 AM
I have been reading over these threads and need a clarification. I have a 2005 envoy xl with the Bose system ,XM and rear dvd player what nav do i need


NON LUX:
Anything built after Early 2004 has the Bose NON-LUX amp.

Newest revision NON-LUX TNR (15800000)
second Revision NON-LUX TNR (10379287)
First Revision NON-LUX TNR (10377287)
Alt. Revision NON-LUX TNR (15120706)
Newest Revision LUX INR (15204335)
First Revision LUX INR (5204334)
Newest Revision NON-LUX INR (15108241)

TNR is touch screen, INR uses a joystick type thing. I reccomend the TNR.

cinsu
12-11-2008, 01:26 AM
Thank you for all your help in this thread! I bought 15230099 and placed it in my 2004 Trailblazer w/bose, UQA Code and RSE. I still need to go to the dealer for the VIN relearn but I learned a trick to test it when browsing other forums:

After all installed and battery reconnected turn key to accessory (1st click)

Wait until radio displays "Theftlock Activated"

Remove the fuse labeled "Radio" in the rear fuse box and place it back in.

This will allow you to have full function of the navigation unit until you turn key to run or turn the vehicle off. It also allows you to set your presets and POI's and will save them for later.

I have never had navi in this vehicle before and it didn't have the antenna in it but my harness had the VSS wire already hooked up... I also could not find how to factory mount the GPS antenna so 3M stripped it to a 1' long crossbar just in front of the light sensor and it works perfect.

errick
12-24-2008, 04:19 PM
If I dont have the bose option and wanted to put in a bose non lux navigation could I add the amp. So I was wondering if there is wiring for the amp back already in place in the the pass rear cargo area. I have a 06 trailblazer. I could check myself but not sure exactly how to remove the panels

91RS
12-24-2008, 04:33 PM
No, the wiring is not there. The wiring harness is VERY different if there is no Bose. You can, however, use one of the RCA interfaces and add an aftermarket amp to the system to power the door speakers. That is what I did.

errick
12-26-2008, 03:54 PM
I was looking at purchasing the na40001 and found one that someone was selling but I was wondering if anyone knows if the na40001 requires the vehicle to to the bose option or not

palafoja
01-02-2009, 12:37 PM
For those of you who live around the chicago area or close to o'hare airport, there is this guy who is a genius working with all gm radios, bose, non-bose, lux, non-lux, old, new it does not matter he'll solve your problems regarding gm radios, or amps or anything. If you buy a navigation radio that is locked, take it to him before installing it and he'll unlock it by hooking it to his computer and a whole buch of wires and stuff, and it only takes him like 3 minutes to do it, the radio will never have a code stored in to it, you can take your radio out of your car and sell it knowing that it will work on the next car(depending on the amp)
he put a non-touch screen gm navigation radio on his 05 toyota highlander, and it works perfect(i saw it)

he also work on other vehicles, like honda, chrysler, ford, toyota, anything, but most gm and he's a genius

hes name is lee his # is (773)732-8416

good luck

norbi
01-08-2009, 01:59 PM
Hi
I read through all of those threads here and still i am confused because some say that 2004+ dont have a LUX and 2002-2004 have LUX model. Here is my confustion i have a 2004 Bravada Final 500 model that was made in January 2004 and i have a BOSE radio and i dont know if i would have LUX or NON LUX model since i am on a border of those 2 years. What kind of GPS radio should i get and do i need a VSS cable or does it have it.
THank You

palafoja
01-08-2009, 06:39 PM
i can't tell if you would need a lux or non lux, but i can tell you that the Vss wire might make a lil difference, but I don't have it in my 03 TB and the navigation works just fine, it takes any where i wanna go. I think this wire updates or moves as you move. if you don;t have it and don;t want to go to the trouble of installing it, just put your radio. that is just what i think, but it's up to you, it's your truck and your money.

Envoy Fan
01-08-2009, 07:57 PM
Hi
I read through all of those threads here and still i am confused because some say that 2004+ dont have a LUX and 2002-2004 have LUX model. Here is my confustion i have a 2004 Bravada Final 500 model that was made in January 2004 and i have a BOSE radio and i dont know if i would have LUX or NON LUX model since i am on a border of those 2 years. What kind of GPS radio should i get and do i need a VSS cable or does it have it.
THank You

99% sure you have non-LUX amp. So you would get the non-LUX head unit. Touch screen NAV should be plug and play (need theftlock removed, if not already done)

norbi
01-09-2009, 08:20 AM
If i wanted to look at the amp to be sure 100% that its not LUX where should i start looking for it?

Envoy Fan
01-09-2009, 02:44 PM
You'll need to remove the lower rear trim panel on the passenger side. The amp is mounted in the opening over the wheel well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/GM_Fan/Denali/DSC08028.jpg

norbi
01-15-2009, 02:00 PM
How can i find which option i have if its Y91 or Y92 or something else, its not in a vin number can a dealer tell me that if i give him VIN??
I see some GPS radios on ebay that say that they will work in 2003-2006 with Y91 or Y92 BOSE and my vehicle is 2004 Bravada with BOSE that means that radio will work?

palafoja
01-15-2009, 06:21 PM
y91. that RPO is for the GMT800(suburbans, tahoes and all the full size trucks) ours are GMT360. the RPO you want to look for is UQ7, wich is the equivalent for Y91(the bose lux system).
that is located on your glove box, you open it and you'll se a white sticker with a bunch of 3 digit codes, you have to look for UQ7, if you have it than you need the lux radio, otherwise you'll need the non-lux.

go to cadillacfaq.com and once you found all your rpo's click on the link that tlaks about rpo's and you'll find out what you have in your truck.

hope this helps

good luck:m2:

2006Saab
01-21-2009, 02:27 PM
What about UQA? Is that LUX or NONLUX? I have an 06 Saab 97x so I think it is NONLUX but it has the UQA code in the glvoe box.

Envoy Fan
01-21-2009, 05:43 PM
What about UQA? Is that LUX or NONLUX? I have an 06 Saab 97x so I think it is NONLUX but it has the UQA code in the glvoe box.

It's non lux.

palafoja
01-21-2009, 06:58 PM
YOURS IS A NON-LUX

RPO Code Explanation/Description
UQ7 SPEAKER SYSTEM PREMIUM PERFORMANCE, ENHANCED AUDIO, BOSE 407
UQA SPEAKER SYSTEM PREMIUM PERFORMANCE ENHANCED AUDIO
UQ3 SPEAKER SYSTEM PERFORMANCE ENHANCED AUDIO


THIS IS WHAT I FOUND IN cadillacfaq.com YOU CAN GO TO THIS WEB SITE GO ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM AND CLICK WHERE IT SAYS RPO(REGULAR PRODUCTION OPTIONS) FOR ALL GM CARS AND TRUCKS.
AFTER YOU FOUND YOUR RPO(FOR ANY SYSTEM) ON YOUR VEHICLE ENTER THEM HERE AND IT WILL TELL YOU:m2:

palafoja
01-24-2009, 06:48 PM
It is funny how WE all talk about trailblazer's, envoy's, Bravada's, 97-x's, even Rainer's, but nobody talks or asks questions about the Isuzu asender wich is also a GMT360. How, or Why??? I'm not sure, but a GM technician told me that GM owns part of the Isuzu truck line, including the pick ups, chevy colorado has been re-labeled as an Isuzu also.

Anybodt has an Isuzu asender???????????? Just wondering:weird:;)

Envoy Fan
01-25-2009, 11:34 AM
It is funny how WE all talk about trailblazer's, envoy's, Bravada's, 97-x's, even Rainer's, but nobody talks or asks questions about the Isuzu asender wich is also a GMT360. How, or Why??? I'm not sure, but a GM technician told me that GM owns part of the Isuzu truck line, including the pick ups, chevy colorado has been re-labeled as an Isuzu also.

Anybodt has an Isuzu asender???????????? Just wondering:weird:;)

:offtopic: Yeah, a few members have the Isuzu Ascender. Member "Coach" is on his second Ascender. :yes:

palafoja
02-02-2009, 10:10 PM
I HAVE AN 03 TB EXT(LONG BASE) 'LT' W/ THE L6 4.2L. THE EQUIPMENT ON IT IS
(OUTSIDE)FOG LIGHTS, RUNNING BOARDS, ROOF RACK, 17" RIMS(STOCK) TINTED WINDOWS
(INSIDE)P/WINDOWS, P/ LOCKS, LEATHER, HEATED SEATS, 6 DISC CHANGER(NOW REPLACED BY A GM NAVI, INR LUX) W/STERRING CONTROLS, REAR ENTERTEINMENT CENTER(RADIO AND DVD PLAYER)DUAL ZONE ELECTRONIC CLIMATE CONTROL (FRONT AND REAR) W/STEERING CONTROLS, ODOMETER AND TRIP STEERING CONTROLS, DIGITAL CLUSTER(FOR THE SHIFTER AND INFO CENTER ONLY) ELECTRONIC REAR VENTS, 4X4.

THAT IS ALL I CAN THINK OF RIGHT NOW, BUT IF I FORGOT TO TYPE SOMETHING I'LL TYPE IT IN LATER.

NOW, ANYBODY WITH AN LS, LTZ, SS, SHORT BASE ETC. WHAT IS YOUR EQUIPMENT ON THEM??? OR EVEN THE BRAVADAS, ENVOYS, 97-X, ASENDERS, RAINERS


JUST WONDERING:offtopic:

palafoja
02-03-2009, 06:04 PM
I HAVE AN 03 TB EXT(LONG BASE) 'LT' W/ THE L6 4.2L. THE EQUIPMENT ON IT IS
FOG LIGHTS, RUNNING BOARDS, ROOF RACK, 17" RIMS(STOCK) TINTED WINDOWS
P/WINDOWS, P/ LOCKS, LEATHER, HEATED SEATS, 6 DISC CHANGER(NOW REPLACED BY A GM NAVI, INR LUX) W/STERRING CONTROLS, REAR ENTERTEINMENT CENTER(RADIO AND DVD PLAYER)DUAL ZONE ELECTRONIC CLIMATE CONTROL (FRONT AND REAR) W/STEERING CONTROLS, ODOMETER AND TRIP STEERING CONTROLS, DIGITAL CLUSTER(FOR THE SHIFTER AND INFO CENTER ONLY) ELECTRONIC REAR VENTS, 4X4.leather-wrapped steering wheel, cruise control, 8-way power driver and passenger seat, 3rd-row split folding seat, heated power mirrors, remote keyless entry, rear defogger, overhead console, universal garage-door opener, digital memo recorder, illuminated visor mirrors, floormats, Hitch platform, 7-lead trailer harness, 245/65R17 on/off-road tires, 4WD adds: 4-wheel drive, Autotrac 2-speed transfer case, front tow hooks. outside-mirror-mounted turn signals, automatic day/night rearview mirror, compass.

NOW, ANYBODY WITH AN LS, LTZ, SS, SHORT BASE ETC. WHAT IS YOUR EQUIPMENT ON THEM??? OR EVEN THE BRAVADAS, ENVOYS, 97-X, ASENDERS, RAINERS

JasonG224
02-16-2009, 08:38 PM
I am sorry if I am digging up an issue that appears to have been repeated many times, but I keep getting different answers from different people. I am trying to find out if I can replace a standard non-Bose system in a 2006 TrailBlazer with an OEM navigation unit. Is this possible?



Thanks,

Jason

palafoja
02-18-2009, 06:28 PM
look for ypur RPO;s in your glove compartment. these are in a white sticker in the glove box with a whole bunch of 3 didgit #'s after you found your audio rpo(UQA, UQ7, OR UQ3) go to cadillacfaq.com and once you found all your rpo's click on the link that talks about rpo's and you'll find out what you have and what you need in your truck.

hope this helps

good luck

JasonG224
02-21-2009, 10:54 PM
Ok, I think I a pretty good understanding of this now.
Has anyone ever actually installed the non-Bose head unit (GM part number 15811289) into a TrailBlazer?

steve4459
02-22-2009, 06:17 PM
Ok, I think I a pretty good understanding of this now.
Has anyone ever actually installed the non-Bose head unit (GM part number 15811289) into a TrailBlazer?

Yes I have installed that nav unit in my Trailblazer. I also tapped the vss wire in the instrument cluster to make the nav unit run smoother. I also installed an ipod adapter so we can listen to it through the nav unit instead of using a fm modulator. It is pretty easy to do. If you search around, there is more info to be had on installing it.

JasonG224
02-22-2009, 06:22 PM
I cannot tell you how grateful I am that you verified this for me.
Aside from the modifications you made, did you need to do anything else to make it function? Or was it strictly plug and play? (Providing the unit is unlocked.)

Do you know where I could find additional information on installing this particular unit? I have searched several forums with this part number and came up with very few hits.


Thanks again,

steve4459
02-22-2009, 11:30 PM
I cannot tell you how grateful I am that you verified this for me.
Aside from the modifications you made, did you need to do anything else to make it function? Or was it strictly plug and play? (Providing the unit is unlocked.)

Do you know where I could find additional information on installing this particular unit? I have searched several forums with this part number and came up with very few hits.


Thanks again,

Besides splicing in the vss wire, installing the gps antenna and rehooking up the radio antenna, its pretty much plug and play. I did not find alot of info on installation tips but its pretty easy to do. If you have any questions, feel free to pm me and I will answer any questions you may have. If need be, I can even give you my phone number for questions that may come up during your install. :) Hope this helps.
Steve

Envoy Fan
02-23-2009, 09:08 AM
Besides splicing in the vss wire, installing the gps antenna and rehooking up the radio antenna, its pretty much plug and play. I did not find alot of info on installation tips but its pretty easy to do. If you have any questions, feel free to pm me and I will answer any questions you may have. If need be, I can even give you my phone number for questions that may come up during your install. :) Hope this helps.
Steve

:eek:
When I put an OEM NAV in my '05 Envoy there was no wire splicing needed. It was plug in both antennas, and go to the dealer for getting the theftlock removed.

steve4459
02-23-2009, 05:46 PM
:eek:
When I put an OEM NAV in my '05 Envoy there was no wire splicing needed. It was plug in both antennas, and go to the dealer for getting the theftlock removed.

Since yours is a 2005 and Jasons is a 2006, you guys should already have the vss wire in your harness. Mine is a 2003, and it did not have the vss wire in the harness. I think they started putting the vss wire in the harnesses for 2004 models and later.

palafoja
02-27-2009, 06:39 PM
I posted this before, but just in case somebody has read it here it is again.

For those of you who live around the chicago area or close to o'hare airport, there is this guy who is a genius working with all gm radios, bose, non-bose, lux, non-lux, old, new it does not matter he'll solve your problems regarding gm radios, or amps or anything. If you buy a navigation radio that is locked, take it to him before installing it and he'll unlock it by hooking it to his computer and a whole buch of wires and stuff, and it only takes him like 3 minutes to do it, the radio will never have a code stored in to it, you can take your radio out of your car and sell it knowing that it will work on the next car(depending on the amp)
he put a non-touch screen gm navigation radio on his 05 toyota highlander, and it works perfect(i saw it)

he also work on other vehicles, like honda, chrysler, ford, toyota, anything, but most gm and he's a genius:D

hes name is lee his # is (773)732-8416

good luck:m2:

palafoja
03-02-2009, 11:06 PM
I want to add a OEM GM cd changer to my nav. unit in my TB. Is there a way to do this? is there a special harness or adapter or something, and will it play while using the Navigation??? PLEASE somebody answer:confused:

JOETENO2
03-03-2009, 10:24 AM
I want to add a OEM GM cd changer to my nav. unit in my TB. Is there a way to do this? is there a special harness or adapter or something, and will it play while using the Navigation??? PLEASE somebody answer:confused:

It just takes the usual harness(05 Denali, etc). I purchased 2(1 got lost in the mail but resurfaced 2 months later) and installed 1. I have a 6 disc oem changer in my glove box which I am removing and replacing with my IPOD 160(holds my whole music and video collection). I may sell the 6 disc changer and unused wire harness as a set.

cycletron
03-03-2009, 01:56 PM
I have a chance to pick up a Nav system from a Saab 9-7X. The system has some features that the GM360 systems don't come with like a DVD player that the Nav run's off behind the screen plus the cd player. The part is#10355783 I have been told that this is the same unit that they put in newer H-3's also.
I'm trying to find out if anyone on TrailVoy has installed this player in their GM360?

Thanks

palafoja
03-03-2009, 05:52 PM
It just takes the usual harness(05 Denali, etc). I purchased 2(1 got lost in the mail but resurfaced 2 months later) and installed 1. I have a 6 disc oem changer in my glove box which I am removing and replacing with my IPOD 160(holds my whole music and video collection). I may sell the 6 disc changer and unused wire harness as a set.

Does the navigation still work while listening to cds from the changer?? how do you plug it on to your nav unit? and if you sell it, how much would you ask for them???;)

JOETENO2
03-04-2009, 10:06 AM
Does the navigation still work while listening to cds from the changer?? how do you plug it on to your nav unit? and if you sell it, how much would you ask for them???;)

Everything works seamlessly. I had the 6disc cd changer and Sirius tuner added and working fine thru my navi unit. The radio would show XM but it displayed the Sirius station name. Since the wife likes XM in her Denali, I am installing XM in my Envoy with the factory install kit(comes with 3 months free for me). I have more than $400 in it but I may sell the 6 disc changer, Sirius tuner and the unused factory harness for around $250 or so when I remove them. I have to reuse the harness I have in right now to connect the XM and Ipod hookups. My GM XM kit came yesterday so all that is left is my Ipod kit. I may list after everything is removed.

palafoja
03-07-2009, 03:57 PM
I AM AN AUTOMOTIVE STUDENT AT MORTON COMUNITY COLLEGE IN CICERO, IL. MY TEACHER IS A FULL GM TECNICIAN AT A CHEVY DEALER AND HE TOLD ME(DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY KNOWS)THAT GM STOPPED MAKING THE TRAILBALZER AND ENVOYS ETC.ETC. ON 12/24/08 THEY ARE NOW GOING TO BE REPLACED BY THE TRAVERSE, ACADIA ETC.ETC(ALREADY ON THE MARKET):(:mad:


ALSO F.Y.I. THEY STOPED MAKING THE GM MINIVANS AND THAT IS GOING TO BE REPLACED BY A RE-DESIGNED EQUINOX, VUE ETC.ETC, BUT THAT AS SOON AS THE END OF THIS YEAR SATURN VEHICLES ARE GOIN BYE, BYE. NO MORE SATURN;):cool:

91RS
03-07-2009, 11:06 PM
That's old news.

trout
03-09-2009, 04:47 PM
I've learned the amps from a GMT800 wont work, will a Nav unit from a GMT800 work?


I know XM, Onstar, and chimes will all work, but I didn't read anywhere in this thread, will the rear stereo controls will still work?

etperez22
03-09-2009, 05:08 PM
I got a buddy who has an 07 or an 08 GMC Acadia. He is upgrading is stereo system and will no longer need his Nav DVD. Will it work with my 06 Envoy OEM Navigation system?

palafoja
03-30-2009, 09:53 PM
HELP!!!!!!!!!! I INSTALLED THE PERIPHERAL IPOD INTERFACE IN MY 03 TB EXT. AFTER INSTALLING IT I READ IN THE MANUAL THAT ALL I HAVE TO DO IS PRESS THE "BAND" BUTTON(I HAVE A GM NAV. UNIT) BUT ALL IT DOES IS GO FROM FM1-FM2-AM. IT DOES NOT TAKE ME TO "XM" MODE. ANY IDEAS.
FYI, I BOUGHT THE INTERFACE MODULE AND HARNESS FROM BEST BUY, BRAND NEW.


PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!! :confused::bonk:

Army Mike
04-13-2009, 01:43 AM
I am not sure if anyone was wanting to know this but I installed 6.1 Kenwood Nav/Dvd/CD/Radio in the place of the factory...I have the rear Entertainment System and I ran a 15 ft. video line through the roof lining to the rear (Factory) T.V./DVD and pluged it into the Aux RCA input. Now I have the same picture on my Kenwood Deck as I do my factory t.v. in the back...

_GTO_
04-13-2009, 07:26 PM
HeEEEEY guys :undecided, did any one try to plug a bose nav into non bose system ? and what should I do to make it work , just change the amp or the speakers , or it's not gonna work .
:thx

JasonG224
04-13-2009, 08:13 PM
I started to go that route, but concluded that it was going to be a little to complicated for me. Instead I just used the GM non-Bose version. It works great and in my opinion sounds better than the standard HU too.

Envoy Fan
04-13-2009, 11:36 PM
I started to go that route, but concluded that it was going to be a little to complicated for me. Instead I just used the GM non-Bose version. It works great and in my opinion sounds better than the standard HU too.

That would be my suggestion, also. Adding amp, speakers, and whatever could be complicated.

_GTO_
04-14-2009, 05:42 PM
But even if i add amp and speakers i still gonna pay much less than a non bose nav , i found on ebay just for 350$ ( bose sys) .

ja_karep18
04-27-2009, 09:15 AM
I want to upgrade to the nav headunit but im going to bypass the factory amp in my 03 envoy. Does it matter which headunit i upgrade too? Or do i have to get the Nav Lux Version still? :confused:

palafoja
04-27-2009, 08:41 PM
here's the thing about "lux" "non lux" and al that, there isno such thing as lux or non lux, the thing here is the system of comunication the vehicle uses it is either Class II or Lan, by mid 04 gm phased out class II and swithed to Lan if ypu by a OE radio that uses Class II comunication and put it in a car with a Lan System, the radio will have no sound because it is not recognized by the amp and viseversa, so you have to put a Class II radio in a Class II vehicle and a Lan Radio in a Lan Vehicle. If you want to bypass the Original amp, than don't worry about it, but if you are going to use an aftermarket headunit and still want to use the bose amp just make sure to get the right module, it is not that hard to do.:m2: Hope I was clear enough and did not confused you anymore

91RS
04-27-2009, 09:00 PM
That information is incorrect. All the radios in the GMT-360s are Class II. There are most certainly "LUX" and "NON-LUX" radios, and they both use Class II. You could get LUX radios all the way up to 2006 in the full size trucks. GM LAN was not introduced until the new body style trucks in 2007 (though there are vehicles such as the Malibu and Corvette these started using GM LAN before then). The radios from the new body style trucks will not even fit in the GMT-360.

I think I understand that you want to get a GM factory nav radio, but you want to get one of the PAC adapters and run an aftermarket amp and replace all the factory speakers with aftermarkets? If that is correct, then no it does not matter whether you get a LUX or NON-LUX radio, you will just need the adapter that goes with that radio. However, I would recommend getting a NON-LUX radio (which are also easier to find) because the PAC adapter for the NON-LUX radio gives you front and rear RCA outs where the LUX adapter only gives you one channel. Since you have the factory amp, make sure you run nee wires all the way to the speakers so you don't risk damaging the factory amp in case you ever want to return the vehicle to stock.

ptrck6
04-29-2009, 03:02 PM
Ok so I have the Lux Inr navi unit. Now I want to get the gps DVD. I don't want the newest version. Is there any part numbers I can order or eBay for the older version. I know this isn't a denso unit. But will the denso disc work?

Sixpacker
05-01-2009, 08:07 PM
i have the bose 6 disc system. i just bought the 15800000 nav unit. (dont have it yet). i am sure you guys can easily answer this, you are well informed! from what i have read in this forum this should plug right in? i understand i will probably have to have it unlocked, no big deal. what antenna do i need and where does it go? what needs to be removed to get there? any help would be greatly appreciated and sorry if this topic has already been covered. thanks guys-from a newbie!

Sixpacker
05-01-2009, 10:38 PM
also does anyone know if navigation dvds can be used in other units? i.e. will cadillac dvds work in tbss units? thanks.

91RS
05-02-2009, 06:57 AM
i have the bose 6 disc system. i just bought the 15800000 nav unit. (dont have it yet). i am sure you guys can easily answer this, you are well informed! from what i have read in this forum this should plug right in? i understand i will probably have to have it unlocked, no big deal. what antenna do i need and where does it go? what needs to be removed to get there? any help would be greatly appreciated and sorry if this topic has already been covered. thanks guys-from a newbie!

Yes, that radio will work without any other modifications. You will have to go to the dealer and get the theftlock relearned. If you do a little searching, there are a couple of threads that have the part number for the Trailblazer antenna. They rarely pop up on eBay though, but you can take the part number to the dealer and they can order it (you may want to ask about overnight shipping since mine had to come from Michigan and took 7 days). When they look up the antenna, it will come up as a module. There is a bar in the dash that is behind and a little above the radio, that's where the antenna goes. From what I understand 05/06+ has the screw that holds the antenna in, but in the Trailblazer you can't get it out with the dash in place. I don't have the screw, so I just used some 5 minute epoxy to mount mine on that bar. Works like a champ. Nothing more needs to be removed than what you have to take out to get the radio out.

also does anyone know if navigation dvds can be used in other units? i.e. will cadillac dvds work in tbss units? thanks.

No, a Cadillac DVD (except from the 03-06 Escalade) will not work. I'm sure you'll be able to find some of the 2008 discs (don't have the part number off hand) on eBay since they just released the 2009 disc.

Sixpacker
05-03-2009, 05:22 PM
my 08 trailblazer calls for a dvd part #25956245
i found one for a cadillac escalade #25956245u.
any one know what the differences are besides the "u" following the part #? thanks guys.

Sixpacker
05-06-2009, 06:22 PM
Guys- I found this article doin' some searching. not sure if it works, but as soon as i try it i'll post on this thread the results. i am waiting on my nav unit still, the seller is having difficulties "finding it".

If anyone tries is first please do the same.




Article Disclaimer: This article is meant to be used by Delco Radio owners to reset their radios. In no way is it meant to be used for any unethical or unlawful ways.

Purpose

The following instructions will allow you to reset any GM (General Motors), Cadillac, Oldsmobile, Buick, Pontiac theft lock radio.

Requirements

The theft lock radio must be in "LOC" mode.

Procedure:

1. Turn the ignition ON (The radio should display "LOC")

2. Hold down the Radio Presets 2 and 3 buttons for six seconds

3. The radio display changes from LOC to a three-digit number. Write this number down. You now have fifteen seconds to complete the next step.

4. Press the AM/FM button

5. The radio display changes to another three-digit number. Write this number to the right of the first one.

6. You now have a six-digit number, the first three digits are from STEP 03 and the last three digits are form STEP 05

7. Call 1-800-537-5140

8. Press 1 then # (pound). You'll hear "Invalid Code, try again"

9. Press 139010 or 106010 or 206010 or 202107 then # (pound). You will be asked to enter your four or six digit code followed by *

10. Enter the number from STEP 6 then *

11. Listen to the four-digit number and write it down. It will be repeated twice

12. Turn the ignition ON (The radio displays LOC)

13. Use the MN and HR buttons to enter the code from STEP 11

14. Press the AM/FM button. The radio display changes to "SEC". Your radio is now "un-locked" and usable.

Dealership Codes


139010
106010
206010
202107


Troubleshooting

If you fail to enter the correct code eight times, the radio goes into INOP mode. You have to wait an hour with the ignition on before the radio returns to LOC mode.

To Read the original article or read similar articles please visit

http://www.kingbain.com/how-to/unlock-gm-theftlock-radio-s.html

A Student at Red River College

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/?expert=John_Bain

ptrck6
05-09-2009, 10:53 PM
I finally got mine and installed. used tech II scanner and pushed relearn VIN. got it to turn on and work with ignition on. Installed Map DVD and it is working.
My part number for My Bose replacement 6 disc are.

15204334 INR unit
10390370 DVD disc
15135178 Ant.

After a lot of research. I'm glad it has finally come together.:thx

vinnyjet
05-14-2009, 08:47 AM
i also put a oem nav in my 2003 bose trailblazer
15204335 INR unit
10390370 DVD disc
15135178 Ant.
took me about 15 mins to install radio
velcroed the ant took it to my dealer
they unlocked the radio all worked
got all the info i needed from trailvoy
thanks everyone
vinny

MichEnvoyBoy
05-14-2009, 09:04 AM
Guys- I found this article doin' some searching. not sure if it works, but as soon as i try it i'll post on this thread the results. i am waiting on my nav unit still, the seller is having difficulties "finding it".

If anyone tries is first please do the same.




Article Disclaimer: This article is meant to be used by Delco Radio owners to reset their radios. In no way is it meant to be used for any unethical or unlawful ways.

Purpose

The following instructions will allow you to reset any GM (General Motors), Cadillac, Oldsmobile, Buick, Pontiac theft lock radio.

Requirements

The theft lock radio must be in "LOC" mode.

Procedure:

1. Turn the ignition ON (The radio should display "LOC")

2. Hold down the Radio Presets 2 and 3 buttons for six seconds

3. The radio display changes from LOC to a three-digit number. Write this number down. You now have fifteen seconds to complete the next step.

4. Press the AM/FM button

5. The radio display changes to another three-digit number. Write this number to the right of the first one.

6. You now have a six-digit number, the first three digits are from STEP 03 and the last three digits are form STEP 05

7. Call 1-800-537-5140

8. Press 1 then # (pound). You'll hear "Invalid Code, try again"

9. Press 139010 or 106010 or 206010 or 202107 then # (pound). You will be asked to enter your four or six digit code followed by *

10. Enter the number from STEP 6 then *

11. Listen to the four-digit number and write it down. It will be repeated twice

12. Turn the ignition ON (The radio displays LOC)

13. Use the MN and HR buttons to enter the code from STEP 11

14. Press the AM/FM button. The radio display changes to "SEC". Your radio is now "un-locked" and usable.

Dealership Codes


139010
106010
206010
202107


Troubleshooting

If you fail to enter the correct code eight times, the radio goes into INOP mode. You have to wait an hour with the ignition on before the radio returns to LOC mode.

To Read the original article or read similar articles please visit

http://www.kingbain.com/how-to/unlock-gm-theftlock-radio-s.html

A Student at Red River College

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/?expert=John_Bain

This probably should be removed as it doesnt do anything for the generation of RDS radios in 2002-2009 TrailVoys. It would work on the old "theftlock" radios where you can set your own password.

MichEnvoyBoy
05-14-2009, 09:06 AM
I finally got mine and installed. used tech II scanner and pushed relearn VIN. got it to turn on and work with ignition on. Installed Map DVD and it is working.
My part number for My Bose replacement 6 disc are.

15204334 INR unit
10390370 DVD disc
15135178 Ant.

After a lot of research. I'm glad it has finally come together.:thx

Congrats! You will love the 15204334. I have a 15204335 (same radio, just revised) that I installed in 2006 into my 2002 Envoy. I never connected the VSS wire, and have never needed to - it updates pretty quickly and is accurate.

Envo
05-29-2009, 03:10 PM
Hello,

I have read this thread and I still have a couple of questions regarding if my vehicle has the LUX amp or non-LUX amp. My Envoy is a 2002 SLT with Bose stereo w/rear controls, but no entertainment system, and has OnStar. I have the UQA RPO code. I also have the different EQ presets like "Spacious", "Driver", etc. According to this thread: http://forums.trailvoy.com/showthread.php?t=15985&page=3 MichEnvoyBoy also has a 2002 with no y91 or y92 or UQ7 RPO code, but still has the LUX amp. So my questions are:

1. Is there anyway to determine for sure what type of amp my Envoy has without removing the rear cargo area trim?

2. If I have to remove the trim is the amp located behind the driver or the passenger? I read in another forum that in a 2002 envoy the Heating/AC for the rear was behind the passenger and the amp was behind the driver. Can someone please tell me a simple way to remove this trim without damaging it?

3. My radio has the "auto volume" feature. Is there a good chance that the VSS cable is already behind the radio?

4. My vehicle also has a RPO code of UE1, which the RPO database at cadillacfaq.com interprets as "COMMUNICATION SYSTEM VEHICLE, G.P.S. 1". Does this help or hinder my cause?

5. I saw an unanswered post about a 2 disc type GM NAV system from a SAAB possible working in the GMT-360. Does anyone have a final answer on this?

6. If I am going to do this upgrade I want to do it all in one shot. What do I need to get XM radio, a 6 disc chnager and/or iPod connectivity going as well?

7. What is the easiest way to remove the trim in order to extract/insert the radio/nav unit without damaging it?

8. Does anyone know where I can buy a NAV unit on the cheap? I am thinking I will need the 15800001 model, but it will depend on my research and answers from this post.

9. Does it matter if I install a TNR or INR based unit?

Hopefully the answers to this post will help me and others with a 2002 model envoy. Thanks!

Envo
05-29-2009, 11:11 PM
I broke down and tore off the back cargo area trim behind the passenger seat and sure enough my 2002 envoy had the LUX amp. It's part number is 15164725 in case anyone wants to update the first post. It had the "Connector for the CLass II bus an mic" pictured here:

http://s230.photobucket.com/albums/ee291/turbomike87/?action=view&current=GMT360BoseAmps.jpg

So I guess it only goes to prove that you don't neccisarily have to have the y91 or y92 code in a 2002 envoy anyways.

I am looking for a 15800001 TNR NAV unit and it's corresponding antanae and map disc. If you know anyone...

Also, if any of my other questions can be answered it would be much appreciated.

Thanks.

Fefanatic
07-13-2009, 10:46 PM
I bought a 15204335 unit off Ebay and it's on the way. I found this site and registered and found this thread. Sounds like it won't work in my Envoy but I'll try to install and see what happens. I know I don't have Bose and will wait and see if it makes a difference.
If it doesn't work you will probably see it on Ebay next week. Thanks for all the good information here. Looking forward to reading and participating in this forum in the future..

Fefanatic
07-16-2009, 08:09 PM
I've heard that the 15204335 unit could be reprogrammed to either LUX or non LUX. I called the local dealer but he didn't know and it would cost me $92.00 to try. I decided to pass on that. The factory doesn't make it easy.
Anyway, there's always Ebay.

91RS
07-16-2009, 08:12 PM
The dealer cannot reprogram a Nav radio to lux or non-lux. Only a Delphi service center can.

Wake
07-18-2009, 12:55 AM
Update: Just swapped out my non-touch screen LUX for a LUX touch screen from a 2005 Escalade #15230099. It's working great!

Found this list of DVD Versions for the NAV units on The Diesel Place.

Nav Disc for GMT800 Series trucks

25847541 - version ? (2006) 86271-70V732
25847541U - version ? (2006)? 86271-70V851
15906573 - version 5.0 (2006) 86271-70V731
15906573U - version 1.0 (200?) 86271-70V???? (same as version 5.0)
15792651 - version 4.1 (2005) 86271-70V730B
10390370 - version 3.0 (2004) 86271-70V670B
25850927 - version 3.0 (2004) 86271-70V????
15105609 - version 2.0 (2003)? 86271-70V????
10329191 - version 1.0 (2003)? 86271-70V580



Thanks for putting together that list... :thumbsup:

I just installed an OEM nav in my 02 but had different part numbers from what you listed...

Mine is part# 15204334 for the radio (maybe because it's a reman the last digit is 4 instead of 5???), and the antenna came in a box labeled, #10355766... More options maybe???

Jostrowski
07-25-2009, 12:20 AM
Hey guys, I want to buy a GM OEM NAV for my 05 TB. Right now I'm running the 6 disk CD Changer, BOSE system, XM Radio, Onstar, and stearing wheel controls, and the Audio Increase as your speed changes in the car. What headunit do I NEED to buy. I dont know if i need the LUX one or the none LUX. Remember i just want the OEM Factory Nav. NO Aftermaket one. Will someone PLEASE help me out? THanks a lot!!! :thx

Fefanatic
07-27-2009, 08:38 PM
Ok guys, please help me out here. Since I have this INR 15204335 unit and I know it works except for the data bus mismatch I would like to buy a amp that matches this head unit.
Can I change the amp unit in the back to match this on my 07 Envoy and if so which amp will work? Also, will I lose Onstar capability if I do?
All help is appreciated...

Elevatorguy
08-09-2009, 05:49 PM
Does the Nav DVD on these need to be in the radio whenever you are using Nav? I thought I read this somewhere on here...but it doesn't make sense. If this was the case, you could never listen to a CD when using the Nav.

JasonG224
08-09-2009, 06:01 PM
Yes, the Nav DVD needs to be in the deck for the navigation features to function.

91RS
08-09-2009, 06:06 PM
Does the Nav DVD on these need to be in the radio whenever you are using Nav? I thought I read this somewhere on here...but it doesn't make sense. If this was the case, you could never listen to a CD when using the Nav.

That is correct, so you're also correct in that you can't listen to a cd when using the nav. That's why the fullsize trucks have the external 6 disc changer in the dash with the nav radio. So you can either try and add the factory changer as well (I don't know how long the harness is) or get the adapter that you can add a Pioneer changer like I did. I wish I could have found a factory unit though, it would work a lot better.

crewchief264
08-24-2009, 10:35 PM
ok so read through 12 pages of posts; sure i missed something, but my current question pertains to whether
i am lux or non Lux
2002 gmc envoy slt with bose stereo cd player.

I would like to get a factory nav unit and would like to know what p/n will work with my factory bose amp......and wiring.

Fefanatic
08-24-2009, 11:27 PM
ok so read through 12 pages of posts; sure i missed something, but my current question pertains to whether
i am lux or non Lux
2002 gmc envoy slt with bose stereo cd player.

I would like to get a factory nav unit and would like to know what p/n will work with my factory bose amp......and wiring.

All I've read says you have a lux system. I have a 15204335 INR unit with antenna and disc for sale I would make a decent deal on if your interested. It wouldn't work with my 07 non lux Envoy.
Someone with a 02 needs to pipe in here and let us know if it will work in a 02. Everything I've read says 03 and later, I think 02 is a gray area.

91RS
08-25-2009, 07:04 AM
Yes, a lux radio will work in to your truck, however you will need to add in a wire from the VSS. There are instructions on how to do that on the original Diesel Place thread about these radios. I believe 15800001 is the latest version of the lux touchscreen radio. Lux radios are harder to come by since there aren't nearly as many vehicles out there that have it. The 2002 is often left out because most people are talking about the full-size trucks which were revised in 2003.

Fefanatic
09-03-2009, 08:05 PM
I know this has been beat to death but I need to beat it a little more. My 07 Envoy has a standard issue am/fm/cd with XM radio installed. As I understood it there is lux vs non lux and the interface is either analog in Bose with the Bose amp receiving a analog signal and the non Bose receiving a Class II data stream on a Class II bus.
Ok, I decided to pull the rear interior quarter panel and get a look at the amp. I would have got a pn to see what would interface with it but there isn't one there.
Obviously my standard system has the amp built into the radio as I went out on the web and printed the schematic for a standard non Bose system. Now the $64 question. Can I get a amp that would take the place of a Bose amp to drive my speakers from a lux navigation unit? I have this unit, it's a inr unit and I haven't been able to sell it so I may attempt to find an amp that would work with it. If the Bose takes an audio signal from the radio and amplifies it a regular amp may just work for this. I am willing to attempt it if anyone has replaced their existing Bose amp with a aftermarket amp.
FWIW, I hooked my navigation unit up and it did not have sound but it would give clear navigation instructions through the left speaker. Didn't make sense to me.

Chazworth
10-15-2009, 05:24 PM
Hey Guys, Where do you install the Navigation Antenna in the Trailblazer

palafoja
10-15-2009, 07:24 PM
Hey Guys, Where do you install the Navigation Antenna in the Trailblazer

plug it to the back of the radio and the actual antenna you can bolt it to a bracket behind the radio. to be honest I don't what that "bracket" is for, but there is where i put mine and works perfect, just take the nut and bolt out, put the antenna and bolt it back together. hope this helps

Chazworth
10-16-2009, 04:39 PM
Thanks, It works fine just stuck up behind the radio. Thanks again

Chazworth
10-16-2009, 05:15 PM
Ok this is what i want to do! Put a 158000000 nav unit in my 2009 Tb witch has factory cd radio with xm and on star. Will it work and can i then add Bose amp and speakers. Or should i use after market amp and speakers?
Thanks, Chuck

Elevatorguy
10-18-2009, 10:48 AM
Do all the factory TrailVoy stereos lose the CD function when using NAV?

mwfaith1971
10-18-2009, 11:08 AM
Do all the factory TrailVoy stereos lose the CD function when using NAV?

AFAIK yes with a caveat. If you hook up a factory or aftermarket changer you can still listen to a cd. Either that or buy a GPS and don't use the factory nav.

Matt

JasonG224
10-18-2009, 12:43 PM
Yes, our vehicles were never fitted with the new generation nav systems.

jimbayne
10-19-2009, 07:37 PM
Can anyone recommend a chevy dealer or whatever that knows what they are doing with a tech 2?

I had a perfectly good nav system in my Saab 97x working for 6 months. I noticed me rear entertainment system wasn't working. Found some stuff on the internet and took it back to the dealer.

They are clearly clueless and screwed it up real good so it gives off this really loud chime.

I've found out they bascially programmed it for totally the wrong car. They wont touch it again, but my radio is useless and may cause deafness.

I took it out and replaced it with my standard radio.

So I'm looking for a dealer that knows what they are doing with a tech2

Thanks
jim

mjksoft
10-21-2009, 08:23 AM
Hi,
This is my first post her :) , I don't have a Navigation System in my Trailblazer 2008 LS. :undecided
What is the best Navigation can I install in my vehicle without changing any wires :nono:? From where can I buy it and How much ?
Regards;; :thx

TheRealToddster
10-26-2009, 01:53 PM
H guys,

From what I know my 2005 Envoy Denali has the Bose radio and CD changer. Its NON-LUX

Will this unit from ebay work?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260477424227&viewitem=&_trkparms=tab%3DWatching

I have in my RPO list codes: UC6 for 6 disk changer....UQA for Bose Premium sound....Y91 for Denali package

Thanks!

Todd

mwfaith1971
10-27-2009, 08:25 AM
H guys,

From what I know my 2005 Envoy Denali has the Bose radio and CD changer. Its NON-LUX

Will this unit from ebay work?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260477424227&viewitem=&_trkparms=tab%3DWatching

I have in my RPO list codes: UC6 for 6 disk changer....UQA for Bose Premium sound....Y91 for Denali package

Thanks!

Todd

The ad says it will NOT work with a Y91 or Y92 code. So I would say no it won't. Just searching I found that would need one of these types: 15800001, 15230099 or 10377531.

Matt

91RS
10-27-2009, 08:43 PM
Y91/Y92 is the lux sound package on the full-size trucks. It means nothing on our trucks (as far as the radio goes).

TheRealToddster
10-27-2009, 10:51 PM
Y91/Y92 is the lux sound package on the full-size trucks. It means nothing on our trucks (as far as the radio goes).

So that navigation unit I found on ebay will work?

91RS
10-28-2009, 07:05 AM
So that navigation unit I found on ebay will work?

Yes, that is the part number you need.

TheRealToddster
10-28-2009, 07:13 AM
Great!

Just wondering though why the ebay seller comments:

YOUR VEHICLE MUST NOT HAVE EITHER Y91 OR Y92 ON THE WHITE STICKER IN THE GLOVE COMPARTMENT IN ORDER FOR THIS RADIO TO WORK

Do you think maybe they are not fully aware that this code has nothing to do with stereo function? or am I wrong on that?

Thanks again

91RS
10-28-2009, 07:18 AM
It has everything to do with the radio on the full size trucks. The Y91/Y92 RPO code for the Bose lux sound needs the lux radio. Our trucks use the UQA RPO code for the Bose sound, but most eBay sellers don't seem to know that (and that's probably because the radio they're selling came from a full-size).

TheRealToddster
10-28-2009, 07:24 AM
It has everything to do with the radio on the full size trucks. The Y91/Y92 RPO code for the Bose lux sound needs the lux radio. Our trucks use the UQA RPO code for the Bose sound, but most eBay sellers don't seem to know that (and that's probably because the radio they're selling came from a full-size).

Ok...so for clarification for other members who may search for the same answer here.....my original question:

From what I know my 2005 Envoy Denali has the Bose radio and CD changer. Its NON-LUX

Will this unit from ebay work?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/03-08-GMC-ENVOY-H2-GM-NAVIGATION-RADIO-GPS-15800000_W0QQitemZ260483089487QQcmdZViewItemQQptZC ar_Audio_Video?hash=item3ca600844f


I have in my RPO list codes: UC6 for 6 disk changer....UQA for Bose Premium sound....Y91 for Denali package

If you have a 2005 TB or Envoy with the factory Bose stereo 6 disk changer and vehicle codes UQA Y91 and UC6
the navigation part number 15800000 will work

Correct?


Todd

mwfaith1971
10-28-2009, 07:53 AM
Y91/Y92 is the lux sound package on the full-size trucks. It means nothing on our trucks (as far as the radio goes).

There was my mistake. I read the Y91 on his truck as having something to do with the sound system.

Matt

ttgile
10-28-2009, 06:05 PM
The only question, when switching from a non Lux to a Lux amp, is it only a matter of unplugging and plugging back in or do I need to hire a

ttgile
10-28-2009, 06:07 PM
Sorry about that, due to the fact I am not an audio guy is this amp switch easy or do I need to hire a professional? :duh:

moosehead71
11-28-2009, 05:18 PM
I have a 2003 hummer H2 with the 6 disc radio and am trying to change to the nav unit. I have the 10377287 radio and installed it and everything works except the sound. The steering wheel controls work the nav works radio and cd function just no sound. I get the door chimes through the left speaker. I have read through post here and at gM truck site and can't find the fix. From what I can tell I have the non lux radio and a lux radio system in the 03. The nav radio I am trying o install is from a 06 H2 hummer and I got the amp out of the 06 as well and tried to install that as well but then I get no sound or door chimes. I am sooooo fustrated. Please help anyone please. The amp # i have is a 1528804 amp assy 4085.

TheRealToddster
11-28-2009, 06:25 PM
Hi moosehead71,

Got your email. Sorry but I do not have an answer for you. Send 91RS a message. He really seems to know his stuff!

-Todd

palafoja
11-29-2009, 07:37 AM
I have a 2003 hummer H2 with the 6 disc radio and am trying to change to the nav unit. I have the 10377287 radio and installed it and everything works except the sound. The steering wheel controls work the nav works radio and cd function just no sound. I get the door chimes through the left speaker. I have read through post here and at gM truck site and can't find the fix. From what I can tell I have the non lux radio and a lux radio system in the 03. The nav radio I am trying o install is from a 06 H2 hummer and I got the amp out of the 06 as well and tried to install that as well but then I get no sound or door chimes. I am sooooo fustrated. Please help anyone please. The amp # i have is a 1528804 amp assy 4085.

hey man what's up?
I think you rproblem here is comunication with your truck's bcm(body control module) since your truck is an 03 most likely is Class II and your radio and navi are CAN. those are different type of comunication systems between the two, is like me speaking spanish and you speaking english, you know i'm there and you can hear me, but you don't understand a word i'm saying and we'll never get to comunicate. I had the same problem, i bought a TNR that came out of an 06 and my truck is 03 and it happened the same thing, everything was workin chime, steering controls, but no sound, so I talked to a guy who works for delphi(the company that makes or designs these systems) and he told me about this, so he traded me my 06 navi(CAN) for an 04(Class II) model and everything was fine, gm went phased from Class II to Can between 03 and 04. so you BCM knows your amp and navi are there, but they can't understand each other.
hope this help you. if you live in chicago or near chicago may be you could see this guy I'm telling about, if you want his # or address message me and i'll give it to you so he can fix your problem with you radio. good luck dude:m2:

91RS
11-29-2009, 09:30 AM
I have a 2003 hummer H2 with the 6 disc radio and am trying to change to the nav unit. I have the 10377287 radio and installed it and everything works except the sound. The steering wheel controls work the nav works radio and cd function just no sound. I get the door chimes through the left speaker. I have read through post here and at gM truck site and can't find the fix. From what I can tell I have the non lux radio and a lux radio system in the 03. The nav radio I am trying o install is from a 06 H2 hummer and I got the amp out of the 06 as well and tried to install that as well but then I get no sound or door chimes. I am sooooo fustrated. Please help anyone please. The amp # i have is a 1528804 amp assy 4085.

PLEASE NOTE: EVERYTHING IN THIS POST ONLY APPLIES TO FULL-SIZE TRUCKS AND NOT GMT-360s.

All of these radios are Class 2 communication. This did not change until 2007 with the new body-style in the full size trucks and Hummer H2. All GMT-360 radios are Class 2 and the H3 radio is as well. The BCM also has nothing to do with these radios. I'm thinking you traded between lux and non-lux radios. Anyway, back to moosehead's problem. In your PM you said your H2 has the Y91 RPO code which means your truck has the lux bose system. The radio you bought is for non-lux (RPO UQ7 for full-size). The part number you posted for the amp is missing a number so I can't look that up, but if it is non-lux to match the radio I don't think it will work with modification. I remember seeing a how-to on DieselPlace about retrofitting the lux sound system on a truck that only had non-lux and the wiring is different. It definately can be done, I'm sure you could find that how-to and just go backwards to convert a lux system to non-lux. However, I think it would be worth it for you to sell the radio you bought and buy a lux radio because the lux sounds much better than non-lux.

Here are the part numbers you should look for:
Newest revision LUX TNR (15800001)
Second Revision LUX TNR (15230099)
First Revision LUX TNR (10377531)

Here's a few I found real quick on eBay:
This one is the latest version radio hardware and has the nav antenna and disc if you don't have those yet:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/03-06-ESCALADE-DENALI-GM-NAVIGATION-RADIO-GPS-15800001_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem25577a6f66QQit emZ160381431654QQptZCarQ5fAudioQ5fVideo

This one appears to be part number 10377531, but the auction doesn't say. I'd ask questions to make sure the seller answers quickly since they have no feedback.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/05-Cadillac-Escalade-Navigation-Unit_W0QQitemZ270490608253QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_A udio_Video?hash=item3efa7f227d

This one is also the latest revision (15800001), good price too (I'd probably go with this one):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/04-Cadillac-Escalade-Navigation-Delphi-Delco-Stereo-GMC_W0QQitemZ250538654068QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors _Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3a55447974

Hope all this help!

palafoja
11-29-2009, 11:00 AM
PLEASE NOTE: EVERYTHING IN THIS POST ONLY APPLIES TO FULL-SIZE TRUCKS AND NOT GMT-360s.

All of these radios are Class 2 communication. This did not change until 2007 with the new body-style in the full size trucks and Hummer H2. All GMT-360 radios are Class 2 and the H3 radio is as well. The BCM also has nothing to do with these radios. I'm thinking you traded between lux and non-lux radios. Anyway, back to moosehead's problem. In your PM you said your H2 has the Y91 RPO code which means your truck has the lux bose system. The radio you bought is for non-lux (RPO UQ7 for full-size). The part number you posted for the amp is missing a number so I can't look that up, but if it is non-lux to match the radio I don't think it will work with modification. I remember seeing a how-to on DieselPlace about retrofitting the lux sound system on a truck that only had non-lux and the wiring is different. It definately can be done, I'm sure you could find that how-to and just go backwards to convert a lux system to non-lux. However, I think it would be worth it for you to sell the radio you bought and buy a lux radio because the lux sounds much better than non-lux.

Here are the part numbers you should look for:
Newest revision LUX TNR (15800001)
Second Revision LUX TNR (15230099)
First Revision LUX TNR (10377531)

Here's a few I found real quick on eBay:
This one is the latest version radio hardware and has the nav antenna and disc if you don't have those yet:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/03-06-ESCALADE-DENALI-GM-NAVIGATION-RADIO-GPS-15800001_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem25577a6f66QQit emZ160381431654QQptZCarQ5fAudioQ5fVideo

This one appears to be part number 10377531, but the auction doesn't say. I'd ask questions to make sure the seller answers quickly since they have no feedback.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/05-Cadillac-Escalade-Navigation-Unit_W0QQitemZ270490608253QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_A udio_Video?hash=item3efa7f227d

This one is also the latest revision (15800001), good price too (I'd probably go with this one):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/04-Cadillac-Escalade-Navigation-Delphi-Delco-Stereo-GMC_W0QQitemZ250538654068QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors _Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3a55447974

Hope all this help!

I did not trade between lux and non lux the unit that I first bought was Second Revision LUX TNR (15230099) lux touch screen and the one that I trade it for was First Revision LUX INR (5204334) lux non-touch screen, that was the only difference touch screen an non-toch screen, but they both are lux. the thing is that the first unit came out of an 06 truck and the one that actually worked came out of an 04 truck(don't know exactly what kind of truck these radio cam out, but I know what model year they were)

moosehead71
11-29-2009, 12:11 PM
PLEASE NOTE: EVERYTHING IN THIS POST ONLY APPLIES TO FULL-SIZE TRUCKS AND NOT GMT-360s.

All of these radios are Class 2 communication. This did not change until 2007 with the new body-style in the full size trucks and Hummer H2. All GMT-360 radios are Class 2 and the H3 radio is as well. The BCM also has nothing to do with these radios. I'm thinking you traded between lux and non-lux radios. Anyway, back to moosehead's problem. In your PM you said your H2 has the Y91 RPO code which means your truck has the lux bose system. The radio you bought is for non-lux (RPO UQ7 for full-size). The part number you posted for the amp is missing a number so I can't look that up, but if it is non-lux to match the radio I don't think it will work with modification. I remember seeing a how-to on DieselPlace about retrofitting the lux sound system on a truck that only had non-lux and the wiring is different. It definately can be done, I'm sure you could find that how-to and just go backwards to convert a lux system to non-lux. However, I think it would be worth it for you to sell the radio you bought and buy a lux radio because the lux sounds much better than non-lux.

Here are the part numbers you should look for:
Newest revision LUX TNR (15800001)
Second Revision LUX TNR (15230099)
First Revision LUX TNR (10377531)

Here's a few I found real quick on eBay:
This one is the latest version radio hardware and has the nav antenna and disc if you don't have those yet:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/03-06-ESCALADE-DENALI-GM-NAVIGATION-RADIO-GPS-15800001_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem25577a6f66QQit emZ160381431654QQptZCarQ5fAudioQ5fVideo

This one appears to be part number 10377531, but the auction doesn't say. I'd ask questions to make sure the seller answers quickly since they have no feedback.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/05-Cadillac-Escalade-Navigation-Unit_W0QQitemZ270490608253QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_A udio_Video?hash=item3efa7f227d

This one is also the latest revision (15800001), good price too (I'd probably go with this one):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/04-Cadillac-Escalade-Navigation-Delphi-Delco-Stereo-GMC_W0QQitemZ250538654068QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors _Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3a55447974

Hope all this help!

This all does help how ever I am still a little confused between the 2 replies. I did read that deisel forum wire change up from non lux to lux and tried to wire back wards like you thought as well and that is when I got lost and thought that maybe this can't work. If you look at the wiring diagram the lux has the class 2 wire and the non lux does not from what I could see. The hummer I got the radio out of I was able to get the wiring out of it as well so I could look at the harness from the amp location but the radio harness was all torn up. The speaker wires were gone also. So once I had my harness all apart I tried moving wires in the location of the non lux harness but then I was missing some wires and had extra one in other places. The non lux does not have any tweeters and lux does, as well as the the class 2 wire and some grounding wires too. So I tried it in some differant configurations non worked so I put them back to original and put my old radio back in and all works again with. Just sitting here looking at the nav unit on my kitchen table.

So the million dollar question. Is the wire harness differant because of the year or because of lux or non lux? The guy that you speak of in Chicago is his name Ly and his phone # was given on one of these threads.

Sorry for the long rambling post.

91RS
11-29-2009, 12:50 PM
This all does help how ever I am still a little confused between the 2 replies. I did read that deisel forum wire change up from non lux to lux and tried to wire back wards like you thought as well and that is when I got lost and thought that maybe this can't work. If you look at the wiring diagram the lux has the class 2 wire and the non lux does not from what I could see. The hummer I got the radio out of I was able to get the wiring out of it as well so I could look at the harness from the amp location but the radio harness was all torn up. The speaker wires were gone also. So once I had my harness all apart I tried moving wires in the location of the non lux harness but then I was missing some wires and had extra one in other places. The non lux does not have any tweeters and lux does, as well as the the class 2 wire and some grounding wires too. So I tried it in some differant configurations non worked so I put them back to original and put my old radio back in and all works again with. Just sitting here looking at the nav unit on my kitchen table.

So the million dollar question. Is the wire harness differant because of the year or because of lux or non lux? The guy that you speak of in Chicago is his name Ly and his phone # was given on one of these threads.

Sorry for the long rambling post.

The lux radios have a class 2 communication line between the radio and amp because when you change the setting on the radio and radio communicates to the amp and tells the amp to make the changes. The non-lux amp just makes louder whatever is thrown at it and the radio makes the changes before the signal is sent to the amp. You can read much more detail on the difference between the lux and non-lux amps in the first post in this thread. Oh, and just to clarify, I meant that the BCM had nothing to do with the radio system being lux or non-lux. The radio communicates with the BCM but only for theft information and the turn on/off signal and not really anything else. I'm not sure about the wiring harness, I would think they should at the very least be similar between 03 and the 06 model because I don't think they changed a whole lot, but I don't know for sure. I would honestly say the best bet would be to find a lux radio, that way you could still keep the lux sound. Otherwise, you'll need to get all the audio system schematics for the lux and non-lux systems to really see what wiring needs to be changed to make the conversion.

moosehead71
11-29-2009, 12:54 PM
PLEASE NOTE: EVERYTHING IN THIS POST ONLY APPLIES TO FULL-SIZE TRUCKS AND NOT GMT-360s.

All of these radios are Class 2 communication. This did not change until 2007 with the new body-style in the full size trucks and Hummer H2. All GMT-360 radios are Class 2 and the H3 radio is as well. The BCM also has nothing to do with these radios. I'm thinking you traded between lux and non-lux radios. Anyway, back to moosehead's problem. In your PM you said your H2 has the Y91 RPO code which means your truck has the lux bose system. The radio you bought is for non-lux (RPO UQ7 for full-size). The part number you posted for the amp is missing a number so I can't look that up, but if it is non-lux to match the radio I don't think it will work with modification. I remember seeing a how-to on DieselPlace about retrofitting the lux sound system on a truck that only had non-lux and the wiring is different. It definately can be done, I'm sure you could find that how-to and just go backwards to convert a lux system to non-lux. However, I think it would be worth it for you to sell the radio you bought and buy a lux radio because the lux sounds much better than non-lux.

Here are the part numbers you should look for:
Newest revision LUX TNR (15800001)
Second Revision LUX TNR (15230099)
First Revision LUX TNR (10377531)

Here's a few I found real quick on eBay:
This one is the latest version radio hardware and has the nav antenna and disc if you don't have those yet:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/03-06-ESCALADE-DENALI-GM-NAVIGATION-RADIO-GPS-15800001_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem25577a6f66QQit emZ160381431654QQptZCarQ5fAudioQ5fVideo

This one appears to be part number 10377531, but the auction doesn't say. I'd ask questions to make sure the seller answers quickly since they have no feedback.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/05-Cadillac-Escalade-Navigation-Unit_W0QQitemZ270490608253QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_A udio_Video?hash=item3efa7f227d

This one is also the latest revision (15800001), good price too (I'd probably go with this one):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/04-Cadillac-Escalade-Navigation-Delphi-Delco-Stereo-GMC_W0QQitemZ250538654068QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors _Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3a55447974

Hope all this help!

My amp in the 03 Hummer is the 15188044 amp assy 4085 The amp out of the 06 is 15115316 amp assy 5600. I don't know if this helps.

moosehead71
11-29-2009, 01:06 PM
The lux radios have a class 2 communication line between the radio and amp because when you change the setting on the radio and radio communicates to the amp and tells the amp to make the changes. The non-lux amp just makes louder whatever is thrown at it and the radio makes the changes before the signal is sent to the amp. You can read much more detail on the difference between the lux and non-lux amps in the first post in this thread. Oh, and just to clarify, I meant that the BCM had nothing to do with the radio system being lux or non-lux. The radio communicates with the BCM but only for theft information and the turn on/off signal and not really anything else. I'm not sure about the wiring harness, I would think they should at the very least be similar between 03 and the 06 model because I don't think they changed a whole lot, but I don't know for sure. I would honestly say the best bet would be to find a lux radio, that way you could still keep the lux sound. Otherwise, you'll need to get all the audio system schematics for the lux and non-lux systems to really see what wiring needs to be changed to make the conversion.

I agree if there is anyone out there with a lux that needs a non lux please contact me. Was that guy from Chicago name LY that you talked about. I wonder if he could reprogram it from non lux to lux.

91RS
11-29-2009, 08:14 PM
My amp in the 03 Hummer is the 15188044 amp assy 4085 The amp out of the 06 is 15115316 amp assy 5600. I don't know if this helps.

Not really, your 03 amp shows to be Hummer specific but I can't really find anything useful on the amp from the 06.

I agree if there is anyone out there with a lux that needs a non lux please contact me. Was that guy from Chicago name LY that you talked about. I wonder if he could reprogram it from non lux to lux.

You should have no problem selling your radio on eBay, the non-lux radios are more desirable since there are more vehicles that are non-lux than that are lux. There is a guy, Dan, who can get the radio's base programming changed from non-lux to lux or vise versa.

moosehead71
11-29-2009, 08:57 PM
The amp out of the 06 is also hummer specific reads as follows
15115316
amp assy 5600, H2 SUT
under 1 st bar code it reads
257221606001188 - 04182074
under 2 nd bar code it reads
995316
What about this Dan guy do you have his info or am I better to just selling this one and buy another but get the lux. Another question is one of the ones you mention has the factory ipod plug in and is out of a delani I think. One of the cool things that my nav does now is when it is turned on it reads a big H2 sign on it (pretty shallow). I know it is not to big of a deal but it is nice because it makes it even more factory. I wonder if the radio just reads that it is in a hummer or is it just in the radio it self. My friend has a factory nav in his denali that came in his from the factory and when his comes on it reads GMC. Does your read anything at 1st turn on.
I have been playing with this for 2 weeks now and with your input I think I need to except defeat on installing this in my SUV and sell it. THank you very much for all your insight. I was really surprised with how little our dealership knew. Finding this tread has been great.

Thank you

91RS
11-29-2009, 09:31 PM
The amp out of the 06 is also hummer specific reads as follows
15115316
amp assy 5600, H2 SUT
under 1 st bar code it reads
257221606001188 - 04182074
under 2 nd bar code it reads
995316
What about this Dan guy do you have his info or am I better to just selling this one and buy another but get the lux. Another question is one of the ones you mention has the factory ipod plug in and is out of a delani I think. One of the cool things that my nav does now is when it is turned on it reads a big H2 sign on it (pretty shallow). I know it is not to big of a deal but it is nice because it makes it even more factory. I wonder if the radio just reads that it is in a hummer or is it just in the radio it self. My friend has a factory nav in his denali that came in his from the factory and when his comes on it reads GMC. Does your read anything at 1st turn on.
I have been playing with this for 2 weeks now and with your input I think I need to except defeat on installing this in my SUV and sell it. THank you very much for all your insight. I was really surprised with how little our dealership knew. Finding this tread has been great.

Thank you

Is your H2 and SUV? I wonder of the 06 amp being from an SUT makes a difference. I don't ever remember seeing that an amp can be reprogrammed, unless the settings are done through the scan tool. Its got to either be that or something was off in the wiring. Mine shows a Chevy logo when it turns on and so does the one I put in my mom's Tahoe. I think the radio determines the brand of vehicle when the theft lock information is reset.

moosehead71
11-29-2009, 09:45 PM
My hummer is the SUV and the nav came out of a SUT which is the truck version. My amp says SUV on it and the one out of the 06 says SUT. My wiring is just like that lux wiring thread on the deisel thread websute and the wiring on the 06 sut is just like the non lux on that same one. Changing those pins like the diagram soewed still has me a little confused because like I stated before the lux unit has the class 2 wire and the non lux has extra tturn on radio wire as well as more grounds. But his worked I think because he went from non lux to lux ????? I guess?
What do you think I can get for the nav unit and with the gm tuner they used is it unlocked now or unlocked just to my vin# and I need to sell as a locked unit?

Ted J
12-22-2009, 12:09 PM
The lux radios have a class 2 communication line between the radio and amp because when you change the setting on the radio and radio communicates to the amp and tells the amp to make the changes.

Hey 91RS, I see a lot of talk about the early '00's TB's but I'm curious, I have a '08 Trailblazer SS. It's got the single disc Bose System. (no Bose label but when you turn it on it says Bose) What do I need to upgrade to a factory Nav.? I'm guessing it's a lux w/ class 2 by '08 or is that the wrong assumption to make?

Obviously I need to get the Nav. unit but don't know which one to get. I assume I'll need to get a Nav. antenna as well and where can I find them at? If I need to get some part numbers of what I have just let me know and I'll get them for you. Just confused as to what I need to do here.

Thank you in advance!

91RS
12-22-2009, 06:15 PM
Hey 91RS, I see a lot of talk about the early '00's TB's but I'm curious, I have a '08 Trailblazer SS. It's got the single disc Bose System. (no Bose label but when you turn it on it says Bose) What do I need to upgrade to a factory Nav.? I'm guessing it's a lux w/ class 2 by '08 or is that the wrong assumption to make?

Obviously I need to get the Nav. unit but don't know which one to get. I assume I'll need to get a Nav. antenna as well and where can I find them at? If I need to get some part numbers of what I have just let me know and I'll get them for you. Just confused as to what I need to do here.

Thank you in advance!

You will need a non-lux radio. You will need the antenna as well. If I'm not mistaken the later trucks have the screw for the antenna bracket there even if they don't have the antenna, but you have to take the dashpad off to get it out on the Trailblazer. I just used some two part epoxy and stuck my antenna to the bar closest to the dashpad.

moosehead71
12-22-2009, 10:43 PM
Hey 91RS, I see a lot of talk about the early '00's TB's but I'm curious, I have a '08 Trailblazer SS. It's got the single disc Bose System. (no Bose label but when you turn it on it says Bose) What do I need to upgrade to a factory Nav.? I'm guessing it's a lux w/ class 2 by '08 or is that the wrong assumption to make?

Obviously I need to get the Nav. unit but don't know which one to get. I assume I'll need to get a Nav. antenna as well and where can I find them at? If I need to get some part numbers of what I have just let me know and I'll get them for you. Just confused as to what I need to do here.

Thank you in advance!

I just wanted to post that I got a LUX NAV Unit from a guy on ebay that traded me straight across for my NON LUX unit just as 91RS had said. Thank you very much. The guy that I traded and worked with said he would like for me to post his phone # and info for anyone that wanted or needed any radios or just info as he is well versed in the nav units his name isrick seijo [latindragon19860@gmail.com]
phone # is 215-869-8570
I hope this helps continue this thread to make it easier for the next person

palafoja
01-02-2010, 01:42 PM
I just bought a 2001 pontiac montana for my wife with only 53215 miles it was my neighbor's(73 yrs old) besides the low miles it looks like it just came out of the assembly line fully loaded(all the bells and whistles). my question is, it has an OE in-dash 6 cd changer, just like the one my 03 trialblazer had before i replaced it with an GM nav unit. so Can I replace that GM in dash cd changer to a GM Nav unit from an 03 or 04???:duh:1

Fefanatic
01-05-2010, 10:03 AM
I'm not sure. I suggest you pull the radio and look at the wiring interface. Next determine if it's a Bose system and go from there. I can't see why it couldn't be replaced with a nav unit.
Making sure you have the right nav unit for the type of stereo system is the key. Too many opportunities for error. I sure wish they would have standardized things.

91RS
01-05-2010, 07:18 PM
I just bought a 2001 pontiac montana for my wife with only 53215 miles it was my neighbor's(73 yrs old) besides the low miles it looks like it just came out of the assembly line fully loaded(all the bells and whistles). my question is, it has an OE in-dash 6 cd changer, just like the one my 03 trialblazer had before i replaced it with an GM nav unit. so Can I replace that GM in dash cd changer to a GM Nav unit from an 03 or 04???:duh:1

Well the nav unit in the van isn't the same shape as a GMT-360, so if that's what you were asking then no. If you can find a nav radio from another van, then you should be good. I don't know if the vans came with different sound systems or not.

mwfaith1971
01-06-2010, 08:22 AM
One question on the OEM Nav units. Are they single disc? I like the six disc function in my 02 and really only want to get the Nav for the ease of putting in Sirius. I could always hook the Sirius up using the FM direct adapter and keep the 6 disc function. What do you think?

Matt

91RS
01-06-2010, 08:00 PM
One question on the OEM Nav units. Are they single disc? I like the six disc function in my 02 and really only want to get the Nav for the ease of putting in Sirius. I could always hook the Sirius up using the FM direct adapter and keep the 6 disc function. What do you think?

Matt

They are single disc and you cannot listen to a CD with the nav disc in either. The Hummer H3 nav radio has the screen fold down and the nav disc goes in there and you still have a single disc CD player, but I don't know if the screen will fit past the cluster surround in the Trailblazer. You can either get the external six disc changer from a full size truck and locate it somewhere or there's an adapter that will connect a Pioneer CD changer to the radio as well. That's what I used since I couldn't find a factory changer at the time.

mwfaith1971
01-07-2010, 08:44 AM
They are single disc and you cannot listen to a CD with the nav disc in either. The Hummer H3 nav radio has the screen fold down and the nav disc goes in there and you still have a single disc CD player, but I don't know if the screen will fit past the cluster surround in the Trailblazer. You can either get the external six disc changer from a full size truck and locate it somewhere or there's an adapter that will connect a Pioneer CD changer to the radio as well. That's what I used since I couldn't find a factory changer at the time.

Do you lose the functionality of anything if you hook up a CD changer IE: Can't have Sat radio because you have the changer on it?

I have a Garmin so I'm not concerned with the Nav part of the system at all.

:thx

Matt

91RS
01-07-2010, 06:17 PM
Do you lose the functionality of anything if you hook up a CD changer IE: Can't have Sat radio because you have the changer on it?

I have a Garmin so I'm not concerned with the Nav part of the system at all.

:thx

Matt

I know if you use the factory external 6 disc changer from a full size, you should still be able to use factory XM because the full size trucks come with both. I don't know for sure though because I haven't tried it myself. I know that adapter I bought will allow me to use a Pioneer XM module with the Pioneer CD changer. If you can get the factory stuff though, I say do it because it's seemless and works much better. There's nothing wrong with the Pioneer, but the interface is wonky sometimes.

mwfaith1971
01-08-2010, 09:09 AM
:thx:thx:thx Still not decided which way I'll go, but if I replace the current HU with the Nav I'll be looking for the factory changer as well. If not, I could use this to connect both I guess: http://replacementradios.com/product_info.php?cPath=341_351&products_id=991 although you do lose one of the Satellite bands.

Matt

flyweed
02-18-2010, 09:36 AM
wow. great thread...I just got done reading through all 19 pages!!

Anyway, I am still a bit confused as to what exactly I need for my vehicle.

My current setup is (2004 GMC Envoy XL SLE with ONSTAR)

NON-Bose radio
cassette player
single cd player on top.
the screen on my radio tells me the name of the radio station, artist and song title.

Anyway...I am not an audio head, and don't know much about this stuff..I just want to pull out the OEM that's in there now, and replace it with a Nav unit with touch screen.

Can anyone help me out with what I would need???

Thanks
Dan

flyweed
02-18-2010, 03:32 PM
Ok..now I'm really confused...I just talked to an online radio store that deals in OEM GM radios and nav units...I told them my make, model year and they said I need the Nav unit OEM - 15108421 for my Envoy (plug and play)

I looked in my glove box just now and I didn't find any of these: UQA, UQ7, or UQ3

the only "U" digits I found at all was: UB1, UE1, UG1, UY7, U73

So I am more than confused now on what I need.

As I was looking in the glove box I noticed a white sticker mounted on the firewall behind the glove box...so I popped the glove box down and the stick on the firewall said "DELPHI" (1p) 15107194

Does that mean anything??????

Thanks for any help or insite.

Dan

91RS
02-18-2010, 05:57 PM
Ok..now I'm really confused...I just talked to an online radio store that deals in OEM GM radios and nav units...I told them my make, model year and they said I need the Nav unit OEM - 15108421 for my Envoy (plug and play)

I looked in my glove box just now and I didn't find any of these: UQA, UQ7, or UQ3

the only "U" digits I found at all was: UB1, UE1, UG1, UY7, U73

So I am more than confused now on what I need.

As I was looking in the glove box I noticed a white sticker mounted on the firewall behind the glove box...so I popped the glove box down and the stick on the firewall said "DELPHI" (1p) 15107194

Does that mean anything??????

Thanks for any help or insite.

Dan

You don't want that radio, that is not a touchscreen unit anyway. For your truck, you will want to use part number: 15811289. That is a non-Bose touchscreen radio and will plug and play into your truck.

flyweed
02-19-2010, 12:12 AM
Thanks 91RS..I appreciate your input.....now you don't know where I can pick up one of these 15811289 units do you? on Ebay or???????

Thanks
Dan

91RS
02-19-2010, 07:01 AM
Thanks 91RS..I appreciate your input.....now you don't know where I can pick up one of these 15811289 units do you? on Ebay or???????

Thanks
Dan

eBay will be your best bet, but these radios are fairly rare since most trucks came with Bose. You could buy a brand new one, but it'll cost you.

If you wanted to go ahead and add an aftermarket amp and speakers, then the choices open up and you could buy whichever radio you could find and then buy the RCA output adapter for whichever radio (LUX or NON-LUX).

B_BODY_1
02-20-2010, 06:45 PM
I would I be safe with this part # 15204334 right?

02 SLT bose onstar 6 disc...

Also what part numbers can I add xm to and or an aux input?

mwfaith1971
02-21-2010, 11:27 AM
I would I be safe with this part # 15204334 right?

02 SLT bose onstar 6 disc...

Also what part numbers can I add xm to and or an aux input?

Yes you can use that. But it is non-touchscreen. If you want to hook up an aux to it, there a million adapters around, put in the year, make and model that the HU came out of in Crutchfield and it will show you what will work. Then google search for the best price. Also, you can get a SIR-GM1 Sirius unit for that radio for the satellite so you can get XM as well. I know there is an equivelant XM unit but don't know the numbers, google should reveal that pretty readily.

If you don't want the Nav option you can get another XM ready 6 disc Bose unit out of an 03-05 fullsize truck that will pretty much plug and play.

Matt

palafoja
02-21-2010, 01:21 PM
anybody knows where can I find a oem nav unit for an 02 chrysler town & country??? I just bought that minivan for my wife. It comes with a cd/cassete player head unit and a external 4cd changer(all oem) but I know that for those vans 02 and up there is a nav unit.

enybody knows anything on chrysler nav units???:cool:

juanflight
03-02-2010, 10:52 PM
Does anyone here knows if these models will work on my 04 Voy LUX.
P/N 25894202, 15940102, 25846420, 20807044 & 20862567
I don't recall seeing those numbers in here.....
TNX

91RS
03-03-2010, 07:09 AM
Does anyone here knows if these models will work on my 04 Voy LUX.
P/N 25894202, 15940102, 25846420, 20807044 & 20862567
I don't recall seeing those numbers in here.....
TNX

You can't use any of those, they are all new body style radios.

juanflight
03-03-2010, 04:39 PM
You can't use any of those, they are all new body style radios.

Thanx bud.... I'll keep looking...

juanflight
03-04-2010, 11:14 PM
what about 10377287???

mwfaith1971
03-05-2010, 07:47 AM
what about 10377287???

Non-LUX Juan, won't work. I don't know if a touchscreen came in the LUX version or not.

Matt

juanflight
03-05-2010, 03:36 PM
:suicide:

as far as I know these are the touch LUX units... Dunno if is there any other tho... Newest revision LUX TNR (15800001)
Second Revision LUX TNR (15230099)
First Revision LUX TNR (10377531)
and here I am.... looking and looking and looking.........:ugh:

juanflight
03-06-2010, 12:27 AM
FYI I just found this part number that I've never seen before and from what i've seen it's a non LUX TNR
PN:15229287
former PN:10377287

mwfaith1971
03-06-2010, 09:25 AM
Correct...Non-LUX.

Matt

juanflight
03-15-2010, 02:49 PM
How about 15206335?? I've looked everywhere with no luck!!! What's the deal having the same radio with 100 different part numbers? Gee!:crazy:

91RS
03-15-2010, 06:24 PM
How about 15206335?? I've looked everywhere with no luck!!! What's the deal having the same radio with 100 different part numbers? Gee!:crazy:

Your 04 is has the Lux Bose right (I believe 04 was the crossover year)? There are 10 of the 15800001 Lux touchscreen navs on eBay right now.

juanflight
03-16-2010, 09:57 AM
Thanks man, I'm keeping an eye on ebay, but most of the units there have a retarded price.... That's why every time I se one with a decent price... I ask.

It looks like 15206335 is a INR LUX.

I'm just trying to gather all the info to help anyone doing this type of swap.:yes:

91RS
03-16-2010, 08:39 PM
Then that should work, but its not touchscreen. What's wrong with this one? 3 hours left and only at $200:

http://cgi.ebay.com/03-06-gmc-yukon-denally-navegation_W0QQitemZ270544315847QQcmdZViewItemQQpt ZGPS_Devices?hash=item3efdb2a5c7

This one is good too, more expensive but its new and comes with the nav DVD and an antenna:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GM-Factory-Navigation-03-06-Escalade-Denali-Tahoe-H2_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem439dfc7142QQitemZ290 413375810QQptZCarQ5fAudioQ5fVideo

juanflight
03-17-2010, 09:58 AM
:duh::duh::duh::duh::duh::duh::duh::duh::hissy: :hissy::hissy::duh: :duh::duh::duh::duh:
Missed that one... I was just thinking.. how in the hell did I missed that one? easy... They don't ship to Canada.....:suicide: That's why they dont even show on my screen, but you are right! those are really good priced. That makes me think sometimes people take advantage of us because we live in the north pole. The lack of roads and the excessive traffic of moose and bears just makes the shipping really hard close to impossible!!! :crackup::crackup:

jjohn
04-09-2010, 10:08 AM
I know this is off the subject somewhat for what your guys have been talking about but you really seem to know your facts. I am trying to install a factory rear dvd system in my truck and it needs the class II data signal to operate. The dealer tried to program the BCM and could not in order to make the unit work. They told me they talked to GM tech support and the only way to make the dvd function is to replace the radio head for the front and the rear out of a truck that had a rear dvd. It seems to me there would be a way to generate this signal so the dvd would come on and play dvd's and the kids could just listen with their head phones.

jjohn
04-09-2010, 10:29 AM
I see the message was duplicated.

91RS
04-09-2010, 07:15 PM
Going to need more info. Is the factory rear DVD you're installing a used unit pulled from another truck? If so, what was the year and model? Also what is the year and model of your truck? I'm talking like LS, LT, SLE, SLT, etc. LWB or SWB? Did/does either vehicle have nav?

jjohn
04-09-2010, 08:34 PM
Going to need more info. Is the factory rear DVD you're installing a used unit pulled from another truck? If so, what was the year and model? Also what is the year and model of your truck? I'm talking like LS, LT, SLE, SLT, etc. LWB or SWB? Did/does either vehicle have nav?

The DVD is a new unit at least was told it was new and has a 2005 mfg date on the sticker.My truck is a 2006 LT. My truck has BOSE, no NAV.

91RS
04-09-2010, 09:09 PM
EDIT: Well it appears there is some wiring between the radio and the DVD player you're going to have to run. Do you have this thing installed at all already? If so, what do you have it connected to?

jjohn
04-09-2010, 10:20 PM
I have it installed and I have the power and ground connected along with the radio signal on connection. I have the class II data wire connected to teh BCM but of course nothing happens.

91RS
04-10-2010, 07:02 AM
Your Class II connection from the DVD player needs to go into terminal F of the splice pack under the right side of the 2nd row seat (under a flap of carpet). The schematic also shows an audio left and right and audio common between the radio and DVD player, but I don't think that will be required to at least work. I actually think those connections may be to play the sound from the DVD through the car radio.

jjohn
04-10-2010, 10:35 AM
Once connected to terminal F does anything need programming from the dealer?

91RS
04-10-2010, 03:42 PM
I'm not sure, I only looked at the schematics. Hook it up and see what happens then we'll go from there.

jjohn
04-13-2010, 06:43 PM
Hooked up and it will not power up. I am thinking maybe the BCM needs programmed?

91RS
04-13-2010, 07:09 PM
I would have to say yes then, I suppose the BCM has to know the DVD player is there to send it the turn on signal through the Class 2. The dealer will have to call tech support and get a rep that is willing to change the BCM RPO configuration. I know its possible because there is someone on here that got a base model truck configured for the factory keyless entry, alarm, and the curb-view mirrors. I tried myself on my truck to get the curb-view added, but was told it wasn't possible. I haven't made another attempt yet though.

juanflight
04-19-2010, 05:51 PM
Had anyone tried one of this Denso units?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2006-GM-CHEVROLET-GMC-GPS-NAVIGATION-RADIO-20788871_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem255a1be748QQit emZ160425568072QQptZCarQ5fAudioQ5fVideo

:confused::confused::confused:

91RS
04-19-2010, 06:49 PM
Denso units are only for new body style trucks, that particular radio is actually for a Corvette. Delphi makes the radios for our trucks.

juanflight
04-19-2010, 07:15 PM
:sadcry:
That unit has the option of listening to a cd while navigating.
I think I saw one of those on a bravada, so I thought....:hopeless
ohh well.... let's keep playing with the delphi's
Thanks bud.:thumbsup:

91RS
04-19-2010, 07:26 PM
The only Delphi radios that have two slots that I know of is the radio in the H3, but I don't know if the folding screen will fit past the bezels in our trucks.

SAAB SS
04-20-2010, 06:57 PM
My SAAB has the 2 disc Nav radio. I posted some pics elsewhere on the forum.

etperez22
04-20-2010, 07:06 PM
Has anyone put the Saab navigation in a trailvoy?

91RS
04-20-2010, 07:20 PM
My SAAB has the 2 disc Nav radio. I posted some pics elsewhere on the forum.

That's right, I forgot about those. I'm actually pretty sure the 9-7x radio is the same as the H3 radio just with a different design on the faceplate.

c-tang
05-03-2010, 05:04 PM
I have a 2007 LS with the bose in dash 6 disk and XM and Rear seat Ent. (DVD) Onstar and the Phone.

I am looking at adding a Nav unit and am very confused about which unit to get. I want everything to work and also Add in an Isimple Ipod interface down the road or something close to it. Would even be happy with an AUX input. What options do I have? any?
Any help is very much needed... Thanks in advanced

moosehead71
05-08-2010, 10:18 PM
I would say you first need to send RS911 a message on here as he is the one that helped me also a link at http://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=92889 which is a great how to guide with types of radio part numbers. Take a look at it and I hope this helps in your adventure and believe me you will learn more then you want to know. How ever I do believe the more knowledge the better.

palafoja
06-19-2010, 02:56 PM
wich would be the latest dvd version i could use in my TB, i have nav radio 5204334 with the 2004 version 1.o disc. can I just buy the newest disc and playe it with out a problem??

juanflight
06-20-2010, 12:45 AM
this is the disc you want.
2010 Terraza/Venture/H3/Uplander/Relay/97X Navigation Disc P/N 20855830 $199.99

more questions, visit http://www.gmnavdisc.com

Larringt
07-26-2010, 09:17 AM
Hi I wanna verify that I understand you correctly. I have a 02 LTZ with from what I've read has a non-lux amp. I have a chance to get a GM/Delphi Touchscreen nav unit that come out of 05 Yukon. I'm planning to add a aftermarket amp, sub and new speakers. Since I won't be using the factory amp I should be good , right?



eBay will be your best bet, but these radios are fairly rare since most trucks came with Bose. You could buy a brand new one, but it'll cost you.

If you wanted to go ahead and add an aftermarket amp and speakers, then the choices open up and you could buy whichever radio you could find and then buy the RCA output adapter for whichever radio (LUX or NON-LUX).

mwfaith1971
07-27-2010, 07:28 AM
Hi I wanna verify that I understand you correctly. I have a 02 LTZ with from what I've read has a non-lux amp. I have a chance to get a GM/Delphi Touchscreen nav unit that come out of 05 Yukon. I'm planning to add a aftermarket amp, sub and new speakers. Since I won't be using the factory amp I should be good , right?

No. Your 02 LTZ, like mine, has the LUX system. So, if you get anything out of a full-size truck it needs to be coded for the Y91 or Y92 system. (Which is the full-size version of LUX) I would imagine the TNR800 you're looking at will work, but verify it first.

Matt

Larringt
07-27-2010, 09:01 AM
Ok well the guy on Craigslist sold me out. After a few times of trying to set up a meet he said he sold it already. But thanks for the info.


No. Your 02 LTZ, like mine, has the LUX system. So, if you get anything out of a full-size truck it needs to be coded for the Y91 or Y92 system. (Which is the full-size version of LUX) I would imagine the TNR800 you're looking at will work, but verify it first.

Matt

mwfaith1971
07-28-2010, 09:02 AM
Ok well the guy on Craigslist sold me out. After a few times of trying to set up a meet he said he sold it already. But thanks for the info.

No worries.

Matt

Thawaxshop
08-12-2010, 08:43 AM
Ok im new here and am a bit of a newb (so sorry if im overlooking this info) but i have an 02 trailblazer and want nav in it. What one should i look for and can i just plug and play? :bonk:

juanflight
08-12-2010, 07:11 PM
Ok im new here and am a bit of a newb (so sorry if im overlooking this info) but i have an 02 trailblazer and want nav in it. What one should i look for and can i just plug and play? :bonk:

no problem,
I'm a bit confussed, whats the info you are looking for that is not covered already in this same thread?
:undecided

Thawaxshop
08-13-2010, 07:59 AM
Well i read a bit of it (sorry i work alot and skim through things.. i know bad habit) and was basically wondering what part number nav would i need for my TB and if the lux amp people talk about is plug and play as well

mwfaith1971
08-13-2010, 08:13 AM
For the non touchscreen Nav you need 15108241, for the touchscreen you need 15800000. Both of these are NON LUX as I don't think you have an amp in yours. If you have the non Bose radio then you need to use 15811289 for the touchscreen.

If you don't have the UQA code (inside the glove box RPO codes) then just go with an aftermarket system. That way you'll have a ton of choices. The LUX amp is not plug and play and is more of a pain in the rear than not.

Matt

firwrks
08-19-2010, 05:54 PM
Hi, I'm new to this site and i need some help! I have a 2005 Gmc Denalli that i just got , i was told that I need nav disc # 20855830 to work in my truck, I have a touch screen radio now with no disc at all, The local dealer wants 230.00 fo it???? way to much , can anyone help and is that the correct disc. Thank you. Jim

91RS
08-19-2010, 06:00 PM
Hi, I'm new to this site and i need some help! I have a 2005 Gmc Denalli that i just got , i was told that I need nav disc # 20855830 to work in my truck, I have a touch screen radio now with no disc at all, The local dealer wants 230.00 fo it???? way to much , can anyone help and is that the correct disc. Thank you. Jim

Good luck getting it much cheaper than that.

firwrks
08-19-2010, 06:35 PM
For the non touchscreen Nav you need 15108241, for the touchscreen you need 15800000. Both of these are NON LUX as I don't think you have an amp in yours. If you have the non Bose radio then you need to use 15811289 for the touchscreen.

If you don't have the UQA code (inside the glove box RPO codes) then just go with an aftermarket system. That way you'll have a ton of choices. The LUX amp is not plug and play and is more of a pain in the rear than not.

Matt Matt mine is a bose, what next? Thanks

mwfaith1971
08-20-2010, 08:48 AM
Matt mine is a bose, what next? Thanks

What's your code in the glove box for the sound system? Look here for what the codes mean http://www.trailvoy.com/docs/vinrpo/2005_RPO.pdf. Page 3 has the radio info on it.

I'm not sure if you have the LUX or non-LUX system. I'm assuming LUX cause it's a Denali.

(Also, you need to change your truck info cause the 05 never had an LS2 in them, 5.3L was the V8)

Matt

bobt2000
09-17-2010, 01:55 PM
Great thread, with a lot of info but I started getting dizzy trying to keep it all straight. Especially the conflicting info on the production codes.
Anyway, I have an 02 Bravada with the Bose in-dash 6cd changer. I just bought a LUX nav HU (15204335) and can hardly wait for it to get here to install it.
So i thought I'd go all in and I also ordered the TERK XM radio kit with antenna and the digital adapter.
Now my question...will I need to use the NAV antenna if I'm going to be using the XM radio antenna ? I have been trying to find the installation manual for the TERK stuff on line but with no luck as I've been trying to figure out if the XM antenna replaces the nav because the HU isn't coming with the antenna)

Thanks !!
Bob

juanflight
09-17-2010, 02:01 PM
Yeah, you will. Xm/sirius has a different antenna hooked to a separate unit from the actual head unit

TollKeeper
10-22-2010, 10:26 PM
2nd post here.. Read this thread, and I think all I did was confuse myself..

I have a 04 GMC Envoy XUV, build date of 12/03. It has a 6 disc in dash Bose system. Does this mean I have a LUX or Non-LUX?

I am wanting to upgrade the headunit to a NAV unit. Which unit do I need? Whoever responds, a part # would be AWESOME!

TIA

EDIT: Its an 04 Envoy XUV with Bose, Onstar. Would also like to add in a AUX in for a MP3 or External XM.
EDIT #2: I did look in the glove box RPO. I do have a UQA.

mwfaith1971
10-23-2010, 02:19 PM
2nd post here.. Read this thread, and I think all I did was confuse myself..

I have a 04 GMC Envoy XUV, build date of 12/03. It has a 6 disc in dash Bose system. Does this mean I have a LUX or Non-LUX?

I am wanting to upgrade the headunit to a NAV unit. Which unit do I need? Whoever responds, a part # would be AWESOME!

TIA

EDIT: Its an 04 Envoy XUV with Bose, Onstar. Would also like to add in a AUX in for a MP3 or External XM.
EDIT #2: I did look in the glove box RPO. I do have a UQA.

You have the LUX unit. If you want to keep it factory you'll need to go with the 15800001 for the touchscreen or the 15206335 for the non-touchscreen. IIRC you can add an aux device to it with an adapter, so MP3 or Sirius/XM will work.

Matt

TollKeeper
10-25-2010, 11:26 PM
What is the GM-5100 about?

And where does part #25845961 fit into the madness?

mwfaith1971
10-26-2010, 08:06 AM
Neither will work in your truck. They are not LUX unit's. The GM-5100 is in 05/06+ GM vehicles and the 25845961 is in 06+ SAAB 97's. You have the LUX Bose, so you will either have to rip everything out or, if you want OEM, go with the one's I told you.

Matt

TollKeeper
10-26-2010, 05:59 PM
LOL.. Well damnit..

The only one of either of those available units I can find is alot more money than I am willing to spend.. A TNR for 1200 bucks.

The search continues.

TollKeeper
10-27-2010, 12:45 AM
Been shopping around ebay. One ebay auction states that the unit 15800001 is interchangeable with 2 others, just need to find out if its true or not.

From auction = http://cgi.ebay.com/15800001-05-06-Escalade-Chevy-LUX-TNR-DVD-NAV-OEM-Radio-/170405822486?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27acfa8016
GM part No: 10377531, 15230099, or 15800001 (They're interchangeable)

91RS
10-27-2010, 08:05 AM
Been shopping around ebay. One ebay auction states that the unit 15800001 is interchangeable with 2 others, just need to find out if its true or not.

From auction = http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GM-Tahoe-Yukon-Hummer-Touchscreen-Navigation-System-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2eb0d5ff8bQQitemZ20053 5310219QQptZCarQ5fAudioQ5fVideo

That one will work, those three numbers are for LUX units. That is a great deal too, you could probably resell the changer for $100.

mwfaith1971
10-27-2010, 08:49 AM
That one will work, those three numbers are for LUX units. That is a great deal too, you could probably resell the changer for $100.

I'd jump on it if I had the money.

Matt

juanflight
10-27-2010, 11:14 AM
yeah, that's an awesome price...