TBSS vs. Typhoon?

[beehen]

First off, wanted to give praise to all of you for establishing such a well kept, and informative forum. Checking out some of your responses sealed the deal for me ordering my TBSS a couple weeks back out here in the left coast of Cali. A couple years ago I was sadly forced to get rid of my 92 Typhoon(way too many miles), and was wondering if any of you current owners of TBSS ever driven or owned a Typhoon/Syclone wouldn't mind giving a quick personal comparo of the ride quality, performance, fun factor etc. that you may remember feeling(know it could be years back)! Thanks for any info given fellas and look forward to that test drive!!

[Envoy Fan]

Welcome to the forum :yes:

Maybe you could contact forum member turboawd, in his sig he owns the TB SS, a Typhoon, and a Cyclone.

[turboawd]

Welcome to the forum :yes:

Maybe you could contact forum member turboawd, in his sig he owns the TB SS, a Typhoon, and a Cyclone.:iagree:

the TBss is definetly more reliable, quieter, nicer, more luxurious, and newer:) . and you know how much gm cars have improved since then as far as reliability and safety and quality goes.:crazy:

though, it is hard to beat the way a syclone or typhoon takes off from the line though. maybe with the vector tune, the ss will launch a little harder, but it isnt that bad.
i wish the TBss had that turbo woosh like the syty's.:hail:

if i was only allowed to keep one, i'd go with the TBss. it's definetly a great ride.

[Scalarrthu]

:iagree:
i wish the TBss had that turbo woosh like the syty's.:hail:

Do I hear a turbo setup in your future?

[TBSS]

A nice little turbo on a TBSS would be sweet.

[02redhawk]

Hands down in terms of coolness or fun-factor, the Sy/Ty gets the nod.

AWD launches with 7# of boost is literally neck-snapping. 1.7x 60-foot times are *common* in a Sy/Ty. Thus far the TB-SS can't muster below a 2.0x.

The Sy/Ty will always be more rare than the TB-SS, with only ~7700 ever produced, rounded to the nearest ten and exempting the ~29 proto Sy/Tys.

The Sy/Ty will always turn more heads than the TB-SS. They did back in '91-93 and continue to do so, even though they were produced well ahead of their time (no-one really wanted a $30k Sport Ute that couldn't go offroad in the early 90s....). Their aggressive stance and body cladding certainly gets more notice (although still its not a LOT) than a stripped-down appearance Trailblazer.

Performance, again the nod goes to the Sy/Ty. Granted they were very problematic, *especially* in the hands of the not-so-knowledgable owner. But, squeaking low 13s from a V6 stock is certainly impressive, and they'd take you quite easily into the 12s with very minor modifications. They do require lots of preventative maintenance, and generally they also got a bad reliability name due to many failed attempts at modding by uninformed folk.

Ride quality, practicality - definitely the TB-SS. The reasons are probably obvious, but have you ever tried to stuff an adult in the back of a 2-door Jimmy / Typhoon? Or worse, a kid in a carseat? The TB-SS compared to a new '92-93 Typhoon would crush it in a comparison of quality, comfort, features, etc. etc.

Gizmos / Technology - again, ovbiously the TB-SS. This was one of several reasons why I sold my garage-queen Syclone (9800 miles) in '00. Fact was, the truck was an S10 with late-80s technology, user amenities, etc. The truck ran like a bat outta hell, but they lack the technological improvements that I personally like to have.

Reliability / Parts: TB-SS. There are/will be far more LS2 motors around than there are turbo V6s remaining. Likewise, Sy/Ty body cladding is nearly now impossible to find... So, convenience in repairs (and modding) also plays a factor.

Do I miss my Syclone? Every day I regret selling it. Would I trade the TB-SS to get back my Syclone or a comparable Typhoon? Not a chance. (although if someone were to hand me enough $$ so I could afford both, I would be open to that....)

[ttdolson]

I also have to agree with 02firehawk. As a former 93' typhoon owner I still miss that truck every single day. The turbo launch was awsome!!!

But now that I've got the TBSS with a tune and converter, It's pretty close to the old Typhoon feeling.

As I see it, the TBSS is just a modern (New school) version of the Typhoon.

If you look at all of the driveline improvements of the TBSS it's easy to see that the engineers did there homework as far as Sy/Ty reliablity issues.

Just about every thing that used to fail on the Sy/Ty's has been beefed up on the TBSS.


I don't think that I'd trade my TBSS for a mint Sy or Ty. (Even though I do like them very very much).

[SSportWagon]

...As I see it, the TBSS is just a modern (New school) version of the Typhoon.



....except the TBSS can Strap on 6500# to its hitch !!

[ttdolson]

Yea,...I almost forgot about that part...
It is such a bonus to be able to tow.

[beehen]

Man, good to see I'm not the only one out there catching myself reminiscing on that neck-snapping acceleration of the Ty/Sy. You guys have put my expectations in check....figured the refinements/comfort features would obviously favor the newer TBSS, but I initially thought I would once again have the fortune of feeling that immediate kick in the pants off the line, that glues you to the back of your seat(the old have your cake and eat it too scenario)! But, like you guys pointed out, if you have to trade in some of that raw power for reliability, practicality, techno advances etc. it sounds like a small sacrifice to make. Thanks for the heads up!!

[mkaresh]

I remember the Syclone and Typhoon being very low to the ground, and noted that the SS still has decent ground clearance. So I went to my shelf of old C&Ds and dug up the Typhoon road test--March 1992 issue.

Seems that the truck only looks low. The Typhoon had 7.1 inches of ground clearance, not too far off the TB SS's 7.8.

Other numbers from that test:
Curb weight: 3822 (with AWD; imagine the LS2 in this car!)
Redline: 4800 LOL
0-60: 5.3
0-100: 16.2
1/4: 14.1@95
Street start: 6.0
Skidpad: 0.79
EPA: 15/19
Base price: $29,530--so much more expensive than the TB SS adjusted for inflation

So, looks like the Syclone will still take the TB SS at the track, though the SS should pass it around 100 MPH. But GM said no to any towing, and from what I've read here as elsewhere the ride was much less livable. Motor Trend says that for the SS the TB's springs were firmed up only 25%, which would explain the reasonable ride quality. Clearly a lot of modding potential.

[TBSSTony]

I went to my shelf of old C&Ds and dug up the Typhoon road test--March 1992 issue.


Do you have a scanner? I'd love to see that article!

[Greg]

Do you have a scanner? I'd love to see that article!

Here is a old Road & Track article (http://www.sportmachines.com/magrack/road_track_2-92.html).

[02redhawk]

I remember the Syclone and Typhoon being very low to the ground, and noted that the SS still has decent ground clearance. So I went to my shelf of old C&Ds and dug up the Typhoon road test--March 1992 issue.

Seems that the truck only looks low. The Typhoon had 7.1 inches of ground clearance, not too far off the TB SS's 7.8.

Other numbers from that test:
Curb weight: 3822 (with AWD; imagine the LS2 in this car!)
Redline: 4800 LOL
0-60: 5.3
0-100: 16.2
1/4: 14.1@95
Street start: 6.0
Skidpad: 0.79
EPA: 15/19
Base price: $29,530--so much more expensive than the TB SS adjusted for inflation

So, looks like the Syclone will still take the TB SS at the track, though the SS should pass it around 100 MPH. But GM said no to any towing, and from what I've read here as elsewhere the ride was much less livable. Motor Trend says that for the SS the TB's springs were firmed up only 25%, which would explain the reasonable ride quality. Clearly a lot of modding potential.


Actually, it was little known that the Sy/Ty were rated to tow up to 2000 lbs, which still isn't saying a whole lot. Nevertheless, stock vs. stock, a Sy or a Ty would likely edge out an SS at least 75% of the time. Modded, I'd put my $$ on a Sy/Ty every time.

This thread ought to get some pretty good feedback, there's at least 8 of us thus far on this site that are former Syclone and/or Typhoon owners. (AND a few current Sy/Ty owners, too!)

[NOZR1]

If you want to talk about comparing mods between the Sy/Ty and the TB SS, then put a turbo on the LS2 and see what happens. :eek:

[BLK06TBSS]

I have to go and say that the SS on 20s and the way it sounds (especially with my 2 12's in the trunk) is MORE OF A HEAD TURNER THAN THE Typhoon.

And according to all the write ups i have seen the SS will pull more g's and run a better quarter mile according to the track times that I have seen.

Plus its a hell of a lot nicer inside. Touch screen nav in mine nicer seats nicer materials..... but thats cuz its now the year 2006.

With inflation... better price too.

Towing....

And wait until some superchargers and head/cams packages start coming out.

The LS2 is more flexible that the Typhoons 6. (it was already turbo stressed).

- Mark

But I do like the typhoon

[vermorel]

Here's one for sale in Ky:

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=386241

[SilverSS]

Welcome Beehen,

I would agree with what's already been posted regarding the Sy/Ty comparo's. Like you, I reluctantly let my '92 Ty go a few years back and regretted it...thankfully Chevrolet has given us a second chance :thumbsup:. I owned my Ty for about 8 years and it had over 89k miles on it when I sold it. As far as reliability, other than a persistent leaking rear window that no one could ever seem to seal properly, it was a very reliable daily-driver. But times and priorities change and I ended up selling it to free up the garage space for other toys.

When comparing the two, I'm surprised no one mentioned this, but I remember back in '93 there were pics floating around of a 4 door Typhoon prototype that never made it to production. Frankly, it looked pretty lame (at least compared to the 2 door Ty). On the other hand, I think the styling of the 4 door TB SS came off very well. I owned my Ty when I was still single, but now with the wife and 2 kids, the 4 doors is a must-have and makes the TB SS a perfect all-around daily driver (at least for me).

As for comments on "standing out"...I don't think too many people out there know what the "SS" on the TB is all about yet (at least around these parts). I like that it's somewhat subtle and inconspicuous (especially in non-Black colors). My Ty was an Aspen Blue with the Argent body cladding and at the time (way back in the early 90's), most everyone thought of Black when they heard Typhoon. I remember when I first got it, a lady I worked with said "oh, how cute"...until I took her for a ride :eek:...then it became "that thing is evil". The lighter color scheme made it much easier to sneak up on unsuspecting 5.0 Mustangs and give them a good departing shot of my tail end...ah, the good ole days...

Anyway...I'm sure you're gonna love the SS. Good luck...

[mkaresh]

The Buick 3.8 turbo always had lots of room for mods. But I suspect that the Chevy 4.3 in the Sy/Ty wasn't as strong. Boost was already at 15 pounds, which is pretty high.

[ttdolson]

The Buick 3.8 turbo always had lots of room for mods. But I suspect that the Chevy 4.3 in the Sy/Ty wasn't as strong. Boost was already at 15 pounds, which is pretty high.

The weak point of the Sy/Ty was the rods and rod bolts...They were just not nearly as strong as they needed to be.

Also the pistons were junk (hyperutectic) spelling?

[beehen]

hey SilverSS, i remember that blue color on the Ty looked sick and was rare to find. That's the color i wanted, but had to settle for black. I think we can all recall a story of enlightening some unknown passenger to a test drive and leaving them speechless at the end!:eek: As big as L.A. is, I've only spotted one TBSS in blue on the road thus far, so looks like there could be plenty of time to sneak up on unsuspecting victims...may even remove the SS badges to make them feel real sck!

[BadV6Blazer]

:laugh:

FWIW the magazine tests for the Sy/Ty are skewered.

They let non driving magazine guys drive the trucks.No launch,no defeating the 1st gear boost limiter,ect.

GM did not want ppl to know that these trucks would spank a Vette or 454SS.

There is an internal GM memo that says if a Sy races a 454ss,the 454 MUST win. :undecided

I have seen a BONE STOCK 4400 mile Ty run a 13.4 1/4 with a novice driver.My own virgin 92 Ty did a 4.99 0-60 with wheelspin.

My current barely modified Ty has been 7.68@90 in the 1/8th. That is 0-90 in 7.6.

Just turbo.exhuast and fuel sytem mods.

Believe what you want,but if you ever pull up against a Sy/Ty at a stoplight,be prepared to get schooled.

[TonyGXP]

:laugh:

FWIW the magazine tests for the Sy/Ty are skewered.

They let non driving magazine guys drive the trucks.No launch,no defeating the 1st gear boost limiter,ect.

GM did not want ppl to know that these trucks would spank a Vette or 454SS.

There is an internal GM memo that says if a Sy races a 454ss,the 454 MUST win. :undecided

I have seen a BONE STOCK 4400 mile Ty run a 13.4 1/4 with a novice driver.My own virgin 92 Ty did a 4.99 0-60 with wheelspin.

My current barely modified Ty has been 7.68@90 in the 1/8th. That is 0-90 in 7.6.

Just turbo.exhuast and fuel sytem mods.

Believe what you want,but if you ever pull up against a Sy/Ty at a stoplight,be prepared to get schooled.

smoke some more crack child...are you anywhere near me? I'll run ya, I only went 7.9 in the 1/8th @85 too.. I promise I'll go easy on you.. nice "Only" mod list.. that equates to ME doing H&C, headers and tuning for 103 octane.. not to mention your truck is MANY pounds lighter than ours.. no excuses.. let's just do it? put your money where your MOUTH is..

[BadV6Blazer]

smoke some more crack child...are you anywhere near me? I'll run ya, I only went 7.9 in the 1/8th @85 too.. I promise I'll go easy on you.. nice "Only" mod list.. that equates to ME doing H&C, headers and tuning for 103 octane.. not to mention your truck is MANY pounds lighter than ours.. no excuses.. let's just do it? put your money where your MOUTH is..

Unfortunately,I'm in Nashville,but fortunately I have a TON of friends in NJ with Typhoons. PM me your contact info and I'll have one of my boys show you what's up. :yes:
:edit:
Good news! My boy Ralph live's in Tom's River. :woot:

[TonyGXP]

Unfortunately,I'm in Nashville,but fortunately I have a TON of friends in NJ with Typhoons. PM me your contact info and I'll have one of my boys show you what's up. :yes:
:edit:
Good news! My boy Ralph live's in Tom's River. :woot:

tell him to come to TuneTimePerformance (931 Rt166) I'll be there tomorrow $1000 is the in, we can do more if he wants... I need to shut some of you guys up once and for all, coming in here talking ****, sick of it, shame I won't get the chance to smack that 13yo POS down the strip.. it will be on Vid and then will be posted ALL over the place for you and friend's to cry about.. don't mind the times in my Sig, it aint running that setup anymore.. Christmas was Good for papa..

[BadV6Blazer]

What are you,like 12 years old?

No need for all the name calling.

I will let Ralph know.

[TonyGXP]

What are you,like 12 years old?

No need for all the name calling.

I will let Ralph know.


yeah, I went on your site and started calling out Typhoon owners and bragging about "my" fast SS... let "ralph" know, then he'll let you know, the real deal.. trust me, he'll be surprised in more ways than one, kid.. you have nothing to contribute here, except static, so be gone.

[BadV6Blazer]

yeah, I went on your site and started calling out Typhoon owners and bragging about "my" fast SS... let "ralph" know, then he'll let you know, the real deal.. trust me, he'll be surprised in more ways than one, kid.. you have nothing to contribute here, except static, so be gone.

:sleepy:

Good luck. http://www.michaelrenz.com/upload/files/Windedv6_10.71.wmv

[TonyGXP]

:sleepy:

Good luck. http://www.michaelrenz.com/upload/files/Windedv6_10.71.wmv


whose is that? we went from low 12 seconds to high 10's?? OK, my friend's low 9's beats that, next.... comeon man, get with the program.

I have a number of guys that run 9 & 10's, why compare them to a 12 second ride? want some vids? there's always a faster car/truck/bike, whatever.. point is you want to "Brag" about your 7.6 @90mph truck, mine runs close to that and that's the race, not a 10second or 9 second truck.. bring me a Typhoon with an UD pulley, CAI and Tune, let's see what it can do, and if you want a Turbo mod in there I run my 100shot.. how's that..

[BadV6Blazer]

whose is that? we went from low 12 seconds to high 10's?? OK, my friend's low 9's beats that, next.... comeon man, get with the program.

I have a number of guys that run 9 & 10's, why compare them to a 12 second ride? want some vids? there's always a faster car/truck/bike, whatever.. point is you want to "Brag" about your 7.6 @90mph truck, mine runs close to that and that's the race, not a 10second or 9 second truck.. bring me a Typhoon with an UD pulley, CAI and Tune, let's see what it can do, and if you want a Turbo mod in there I run my 100shot.. how's that..

Okay.

FWIW Typhoon's are turbocharded,so an UD pully woud do nothing.

You are right about fast.I'll get a street driven/registered Ty to run your TBSS.

Sorry for mucking up your board.Looks like you guys got some fast stuff.

[TonyGXP]

Okay.

FWIW Typhoon's are turbocharded,so an UD pully woud do nothing.

You are right about fast.I'll get a street driven/registered Ty to run your TBSS.

Sorry for mucking up your board.Looks like you guys got some fast stuff.

good job on admitting you "may" have overstepped your boundary.. Btw, I would've LOVED to get to run your Typhoon...
http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=42393

be careful when talking smack, as you should know EVERYTHING is for all to see on the net, friend..;)

PS, My friend is getting an AWD dyno installed in the shop in january, so tell your friend's to come on down with their SyTy's for some fun..

[vetruck]

:sleepy:

Good luck. http://www.michaelrenz.com/upload/files/Windedv6_10.71.wmv


OMG, that thing is f-in sick :yes: Me likey :thumbsup: I had forgotten what those things even look like. BTW, this thread seems older than that Ty, lol.

[BadV6Blazer]

good job on admitting you "may" have overstepped your boundry.. Btw, I would've LOVED to get to run your Typhoon...
http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=42393

be careful when talking smack, as you should know EVERYTHING is for all to see on the net, friend..;)
HAHA yeah. I was only running 15 pounds of boost,but hey,you got me.

Hopefully one of my buds can stop by the shop. Later.

[TonyGXP]

OMG, that thing is f-in sick :yes: Me likey :thumbsup: I had forgotten what those things even look like. BTW, this thread seems older than that Ty, lol.

I forgot completely about this one, should've stayed dead, as this kid has already stuck his foot in his mouth about his own truck, now he's trying his best to muster up someone to take me out!! HaHa.. more tricks up my sleeve than Copperfield or Blane:D ... you want to run the N2o TBSS or the other one...Turbo+Stroker= one very fast TBSS....

[93typhoon]

I forgot completely about this one, should've stayed dead, as this kid has already stuck his foot in his mouth about his own truck, now he's trying his best to muster up someone to take me out!! HaHa.. more tricks up my sleeve than Copperfield or Blane:D ... Turbo+Stroker= one very fast TBSS....

I just dont get it. You are the only one that seems to want to talk ****. All he did was post that the mags are wrong on how fast sytys were stock and how his did with his mods. He also just stated that you should watch out at stop lights against a syty. Ok he said you might get schooled but what ever sytys were made for stop light racing. I also dont think he called anyone out but if you go back and read you did. Oh but hes a kid as you keep saying. Maybe he is and maybe he isnt but you are the one acting like a child.

[vetruck]

Umm, whats going on here, V6Blazer, did you call for back-up :confused: Welcome to the forum 93Typhoon :)

[93typhoon]

Umm, whats going on here, V6Blazer, did you call for back-up :confused: Welcome to the forum 93Typhoon :)

No he didnt. I just thought I would remind the guy of how this started.

Thanks for the welcome.

To get back on topic obviously I have a ty but I also have access to a ss and have driven it a lot. The 2 are similar but its been 13-14 years so the ss has all the new fun stuff and rides much nicer as it should. It doesnt give me the same feeling from a launch as a ty does but is still pretty good especially for what is weighs. I dont even remember the guy with the fist ?s name but you will enjoy the ss and if you get awd and do some mods it wont feel far off launch wise either. Oh and its new so you get that nice new car warranty. Enjoy.

[vetruck]

Well, acording to his profile he now owns one :D I had no idea Ty and Sy owners perused TBSS forums so much :) Merry Christmas.

[93typhoon]

Well, acording to his profile he now owns one :D I had no idea Ty and Sy owners perused TBSS forums so much :) Merry Christmas.

Never heard of this site until today but I stop by trailblazerss.com sometimes.

And Merry Christmas to you.

[vetruck]

Never heard of this site until today but I stop by trailblazerss.com sometimes.

And Merry Christmas to you.

Until today??? When, when V6Blazer called you up for back up, lol. Or did V6Blazer just sign in with a diff. screen name :rolleyes: ??? Oh well, Tony can be a d!ck sometimes but this time, he just called V6Blazer's bluff ROFLMFAO :rotfl: :dielaugh:

[93typhoon]

Until today??? When, when V6Blazer called you up for back up, lol. Or did V6Blazer just sign in with a diff. screen name :rolleyes: ??? Oh well, Tony can be a d!ck sometimes but this time, he just called V6Blazer's bluff ROFLMFAO :rotfl: :dielaugh:

No not the same guy at all but I do know him. He posted looking for Ralph since Tony is from Toms river and He is from Tenn. There was no bluff 15#s of boost is not a lot on our trucks and with 20#s I have no doubt that v6blazers truck runs high 7's in the 1/8. I also know if v6 was near by he would be glad to show Tony what his truck can do. I again just dont get it v6 never called anybody a name or call anyone out but was attacked like he did. People were posting Magazine #s for sytys and he just said they were wrong. I mean we all know that the ss has done better #s then the mags could get them to run right? So is it hard to believe that the syty #s were off and that v6s truck could do 7.9 with the mods he posted? It just seems Tony jumped all over him and assumed he was a kid that didnt know what he was talking about but that couldnt be further from the truth.

[93typhoon]

Hey ya know what seeing that Tony is from Toms river and Ralph is also I wouldnt be surprised if they know each other or atleast of each other if Tony is into the racing scene in Toms river. Hey who knows I head out to Toms river from time to time when visiting friends in NJ maybe Tony and I will catch a light together down there. Ya never know. Oh well I am tired now and going to sleep.

[TuneTimePerformance]

Hey ya know what seeing that Tony is from Toms river and Ralph is also I wouldnt be surprised if they know each other or atleast of each other if Tony is into the racing scene in Toms river. Hey who knows I head out to Toms river from time to time when visiting friends in NJ maybe Tony and I will catch a light together down there. Ya never know. Oh well I am tired now and going to sleep.

i'm at the shop, listen friend, coming on here and challenging our trucks is lame, have I been to other sites? yeah, do I tell them about "getting Schooled"? No... he did, got shot down, now go back to your 15lbs-20lbs or 100lbs of boosted 13 yo "HotRods" and let us be.. I am at the track ALL THE TIME, ask anyone here.. I don't like to "net race" I've watched plenty of SyTy's run, and could care less what they have done.. It takes quite a bit to run where we're at (mid 11's-12's) from those trucks (first hand experience having been around GN's most of my teen-20's life), compared to what we're doing, who cares.. He has a mid-high 12sec Typhoon, I have an SS that runs the same, I called him out to "School me" which, he most likely could not do.. so he goes and posts a link to your site and now we have to "back down" from the "ANGRY" mob... get real. I don't street race, i'll run whoever whenever, at the track.. and if I can't beat 'em i'm sure someone eles can, there's always someone faster..... It's like starting something with someone, realizing you can't BACK IT UP and crying to your "Big Brother" for help... happy new year, no reason to keep this going, you know where we're at, stop by and we'll make a date to run...tough guy....Tony

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n141/TonyTBSS/trans-10.jpg

[AJSZR2326]

one thing you could do with the typhoons is spin the odometer back you cant with the tbss! i had a 93 typhoon, no mods avail when it came out. was a 3yr lease, i bought out the lease and sold the truck on my own, only american car i evermade money on! anyone out there with a typhoon that smells like anti freeze? it was mine (blew the heater core on it):D nice truck, but tbss is nicer!

[crusader8]

Well, I followed over here from syty.net.. I just looked at tunetime's site and was wondering what kind of numbers you get out of ls2 GTOs with just a tune?

[TuneTimePerformance]

Well, I followed over here from syty.net.. I just looked at tunetime's site and was wondering what kind of numbers you get out of ls2 GTOs with just a tune? 26 whp and 28 wtq is about our avarage .

[TrailBlazer LS]

You can't compare the Sy/Ty to the Tbss. Sure the Sy/Ty were faster stock. But the Tbss is a hell of alot nicer truck! I would love to have either one. Thats my two cents worth. Mark.

[TuneTimePerformance]

this thread was originally about a Stock vs. Stock and for a Typhoon owner to say "get schooled" to an SS owner is outright silly... it's not a C6 vs a Civic... the Syclones were fast the Typhoons were low 14 second trucks.. plain and simple..

1993 GMC Typhoon 5.3 14.1 (M/T June 93)
1991 GMC Syclone, 4.3l Turbo, N/A 13.06 (HT (http://www.sportmachines.com/magrack/hot_truck_10-90.html) Oct 90)
1991 GMC Syclone 5.3 14.1 (M/T Sept 91)

[lesstalk]

this thread was originally about a Stock vs. Stock and for a Typhoon owner to say "get schooled" to an SS owner is outright silly... it's not a C6 vs a Civic... the Syclones were fast the Typhoons were low 14 second trucks.. plain and simple..

Many typhoon owners have ran low 13's completely stock.. why would you base your argument on a magizine article? I mean have all the mag write ups and test been on par with what stock tbss's run/putout? I mean magizines have always been the base line for measuring performance right... they never ever underrated a vehicle's power output before right? and are all professional drivers :rolleyes:

Reading thru all these worthless post by you in this thread paints a clear picture of a tool to me.. I mean save all the pissing and moanin for when you lose your hard earned money for being a big headed prick.. Then you can cry your puzzy hurts :yes:

[93typhoon]

Ya know what you ss guys are all right. All the mags were right(for once) and the typhoons were all slow 14 second trucks. V6blazer is a 15 year old kid and is affraid to run Tony. Oh and best of all and most important dont ever worry if you meet a syty at a light as all ss trucks will easily kill them. There ya go all is now back to normal.

[The Evaporator]

Hear I sit wit me head in a whiz readin dis post and thinkin, what's diz? I wonder why we can't all git along? Evryone knows there is a new kid on the blok in di auto industree (TBSS) but it iz also no secret amung us street racers dat the Phoon will dust off a TBSS thru the 1/4....true dat!!! Homey don't play and will run any TBSS strait up title fer title one run; one kill against me Syclone thru the 1/4:yes:. I'd like to have a TBSS to beat around on and dis would be the eaziest way to make it happen :undecided . Peace out, bro:sleepy:!

[vetruck]

Hear I sit wit me head in a whiz readin dis post and thinkin, what's diz? I wonder why we can't all git along? Evryone knows there is a new kid on the blok in di auto industree (TBSS) but it iz also no secret amung us street racers dat the Phoon will dust off a TBSS thru the 1/4....true dat!!! Homey don't play and will run any TBSS strait up title fer title one run; one kill against me Syclone thru the 1/4:yes:. I'd like to have a TBSS to beat around on and dis would be the eaziest way to make it happen :undecided . Peace out, bro:sleepy:!

That is the least intelligent post I have ever read. OMG, I think something has evaporated from your brain :weird: And lesstalk, I think you need to take your screen name to heart, and talk less :yes: The TBSS is the superior vehicle, period. :D

[TrailBlazer LS]

That is the least intelligent post I have ever read. OMG, I think something has evaporated from your brain :weird: And lesstalk, I think you need to take your screen name to heart, and talk less :yes: The TBSS is the superior vehicle, period. :D

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[crusader8]

Well, when they built the concept TBSS it was compared to a typhoon...only reason being it was a performance SUV. I honestly dont know what the TBSS runs in the 1/4 stock. my typhoon ran a 14.002 @ 96 with 86,xxx on it...prob wont beat a stock TBSS. My ty can't tow and prob is not as comfy and a TBSS. But I bet a typhoon can launch harder then a TBSS and turn more heads due to the limited numbers and people just not knowing what they are.

If you guys say you can't compare them don't open your mouth and say you drive a "superior vehicle" to the typhoon if theres no comparison. Swallow your pride and accept they're both nice trucks.

EDIT: just did some browsing and my 14.002 is par with you guys stock v. stock AWD

[danman_s]

Hear I sit wit me head in a whiz readin dis post and thinkin, what's diz? I wonder why we can't all git along? Evryone knows there is a new kid on the blok in di auto industree (TBSS) but it iz also no secret amung us street racers dat the Phoon will dust off a TBSS thru the 1/4....true dat!!! Homey don't play and will run any TBSS strait up title fer title one run; one kill against me Syclone thru the 1/4:yes:. I'd like to have a TBSS to beat around on and dis would be the eaziest way to make it happen :undecided . Peace out, bro:sleepy:!

Ali G drives a Syclone?!

[Liquiddi]

I always wanted a Typhoon. A guy I knew that was a millionaire around here had one and took me for a rid in it back in the day. It was an incredible truck. Still is. The reason I bought a TBSS is because of the Typhoon. I figured if GM could build that piece of machinery they could do it again with the SS. They did it again and did it well. I love GM.

[The Evaporator]

That is the least intelligent post I have ever read. OMG, I think something has evaporated from your brain :weird:

I due say I am sorrie for yure problematik reedeeng. I cant remeber smoxing but if I did I didn't enhail :crazy:. Bottum line wen the dust settels, is dat my TBSS will reprezent:rolleyes:. I didn't hav the monie to aford a Syclone bak in the day but now I ownz both and have race myself and the Syclone one with a eazy margin:eek:. I excelerrate so qwick dat the 617W stereo system breefly looses resepshun signel during thrust:p .


The TBSS is the superior vehicle, period. :D

Like PawPaw use to say.....hogwash:mad: Mabee in kuntfort butt not in performenze. My grips rule the planet. Hoe down fer a shoedown anitime and Rumson aint to far frum Toms River:yes:.

[02redhawk]

i'm at the shop, listen friend, coming on here and challenging our trucks is lame, have I been to other sites? yeah, do I tell them about "getting Schooled"? No... he did, got shot down, now go back to your 15lbs-20lbs or 100lbs of boosted 13 yo "HotRods" and let us be.. I am at the track ALL THE TIME, ask anyone here.. I don't like to "net race" I've watched plenty of SyTy's run, and could care less what they have done.. It takes quite a bit to run where we're at (mid 11's-12's) from those trucks (first hand experience having been around GN's most of my teen-20's life), compared to what we're doing, who cares.. He has a mid-high 12sec Typhoon, I have an SS that runs the same, I called him out to "School me" which, he most likely could not do.. so he goes and posts a link to your site and now we have to "back down" from the "ANGRY" mob... get real. I don't street race, i'll run whoever whenever, at the track.. and if I can't beat 'em i'm sure someone eles can, there's always someone faster..... It's like starting something with someone, realizing you can't BACK IT UP and crying to your "Big Brother" for help... happy new year, no reason to keep this going, you know where we're at, stop by and we'll make a date to run...tough guy....Tony



Oh, c'mon, Tony. A turbo/sc vehicle will ALWAYS have a better bang-for-the-buck than us N/A vehicles, you know that.... And no, it didn't take "quite a bit" for them to run mid/low 12s. Having been heavily involved with Sy/Tys for over 10 years before leaving the scene in '00 (4+ as a owner, moderator/owner of syty.org from its inception '93 to ~'98), it wasn't that hard to make them run better than stock....but you did have to be 'smart' about it (the mods chosen)... Ex: Mike V (GMCMike) ran a 12.41 with nothing but "free" mods and a junk ATR chip... 1.7x 60' times were NORMAL, bone-stock. Our SS's need a converter to even come close to those 60' times.... My first time EVER at a track netted a 1.76 60' time, with a 12.95 1/4 mile & only 13-lbs boost, 75+deg day. Mods: cat-delete OEM resonator (OEM Saudi export item) $75, custom chip (free), 180 tstat $15, I/C pump $60, and a K&N $50. Later it ran a 12.47 with the same mods, 17-18lbs boost. Stock trans, stock converter, stock tires, stock motor, stock turbo, stock brakes, stock intake-ducting, stock interior, etc. etc.... Heatsoak also played a large role in the performance of those trucks, just like ours....possibly even a larger factor.

I admire your pride in ownership, but it still doesn't change the fact that the Sy/Ty were *generally* quicker in 60', 0-60, and in the 1/4 than us, stock vs stock. There's nothing wrong with that..... :yes: Obviously, once modded, then it becomes an apples-oranges comparison....but the ease of gaining HP still belongs to the FI crowd.

[Z06 Tom]

Well, when they built the concept TBSS it was compared to a typhoon...only reason being it was a performance SUV. I honestly dont know what the TBSS runs in the 1/4 stock. my typhoon ran a 14.002 @ 96 with 86,xxx on it...prob wont beat a stock TBSS. My ty can't tow and prob is not as comfy and a TBSS. But I bet a typhoon can launch harder then a TBSS and turn more heads due to the limited numbers and people just not knowing what they are.

If you guys say you can't compare them don't open your mouth and say you drive a "superior vehicle" to the typhoon if theres no comparison. Swallow your pride and accept they're both nice trucks.

EDIT: just did some browsing and my 14.002 is par with you guys stock v. stock AWD

Gotta love the old Typhones and Cyclones!! I'm an old Grand National guy, so I know how much fun a force fed GM 6 can be. That being said, there's still no replacement for displacement. Go FI on any LS motor, and your talking even bigger fun!!

My Vortech blown LS6...

http://images1.snapfish.com/348%3A48%3B42%7Ffp3%3B%3Dot%3E2333%3D986%3D98%3A%3 DXROQDF%3E2323%3A67%3B95%3B%3B5ot1lsi

[Liquiddi]

Gotta love the old Typhones and Cyclones!! I'm an old Grand National guy, so I know how much fun a force fed GM 6 can be. That being said, there's still no replacement for displacement. Go FI on any LS motor, and your talking even bigger fun!!

My Vortech blown LS6...

http://images1.snapfish.com/348%3A48%3B42%7Ffp3%3B%3Dot%3E2333%3D986%3D98%3A%3 DXROQDF%3E2323%3A67%3B95%3B%3B5ot1lsi


That thing is sick. I'm jealous. Not much out there that will walk by you.

[WA 2 FST]

Hey Z06Tom,

Didn't know you had a TBSS, too. Glad you're still enjoying the blown Z006. My TT Z is a smile a mile. :)

[matts]

sounds very familiar to the SS vs. SRT8 argument

[The Evaporator]

http://images1.snapfish.com/348%3A48%3B42%7Ffp3%3B%3Dot%3E2333%3D986%3D98%3A%3 DXROQDF%3E2323%3A67%3B95%3B%3B5ot1lsi

Dat iz phat man......PHAT!!!

[TonyGXP]

Oh, c'mon, Tony. A turbo/sc vehicle will ALWAYS have a better bang-for-the-buck than us N/A vehicles, you know that.... And no, it didn't take "quite a bit" for them to run mid/low 12s. Having been heavily involved with Sy/Tys for over 10 years before leaving the scene in '00 (4+ as a owner, moderator/owner of syty.org from its inception '93 to ~'98), it wasn't that hard to make them run better than stock....but you did have to be 'smart' about it (the mods chosen)... Ex: Mike V (GMCMike) ran a 12.41 with nothing but "free" mods and a junk ATR chip... 1.7x 60' times were NORMAL, bone-stock. Our SS's need a converter to even come close to those 60' times.... My first time EVER at a track netted a 1.76 60' time, with a 12.95 1/4 mile & only 13-lbs boost, 75+deg day. Mods: cat-delete OEM resonator (OEM Saudi export item) $75, custom chip (free), 180 tstat $15, I/C pump $60, and a K&N $50. Later it ran a 12.47 with the same mods, 17-18lbs boost. Stock trans, stock converter, stock tires, stock motor, stock turbo, stock brakes, stock intake-ducting, stock interior, etc. etc.... Heatsoak also played a large role in the performance of those trucks, just like ours....possibly even a larger factor.

I admire your pride in ownership, but it still doesn't change the fact that the Sy/Ty were *generally* quicker in 60', 0-60, and in the 1/4 than us, stock vs stock. There's nothing wrong with that..... :yes: Obviously, once modded, then it becomes an apples-oranges comparison....but the ease of gaining HP still belongs to the FI crowd.


enough of this ****... what does a STOCK Typhoon mph in the 1/4? they are "quick", Syclones are "Quicker"... Typhoon's were nice because you could drive somewhere with friend's/cargo, but were NOT the runner the Syclones were, they were heavier, which slowed them considerably, .3-.4, and in other cases more.. I never owned but, but many people I know did, and at the track, I met plenty of Syclone owners in the early 90's when I was big into the GN scene and my friend's ran their T-Types/GN's, my best friend has owned 5 variants of that setup (2 86' T-types, 87'GN, 89' TTA, GNX#433 only 96mi on it, etc.) I respect them, as I do the 4.3 Turbo, but get with the program, the Typhoons only WEIGHED 3800lbs, almost 1200 less than the SS... and the Syclones were only 3500, almost 1500, so for "us" to be running anywhere near them is an acheivement in itself.. last but not least for the "not very polite" NJ member that wants to complain about the Magazine numbers, and I am sure wouldn't be kind enough to come on down to Matt's shop and speak to me that way... I know you wouldn't, but you could prove me wrong? na.... you wouldn't.. here is a Quote from your site... in the FAQ section, which is very informative I might add.. despite some of the "15yo's" that came on here to start ****, i still love those Syclones!

Really quick. To be more specific, stock Syclones will run from 13.4 to 14.3 in the 1/4 mile, and Typhoons will run from 13.8 to 14.7, depending on the day's weather and the tuning of the vehicle. 0-60 Times for the Syclone and Typhoon vary from 5.0 to 5.5 seconds. These kind of times made the Syclone and Typhoon the fastest production trucks in the world. They handle pretty good too, pulling about .8 g on the skidpad.

guess the guy that started that flourishing forum doesn't know what he's talking about right?? that page has ALOT of specific and interesting info, here's the link... http://www.syty.org/old/faq.html remember, like our parents did to us, older vehicles "conquests/performance" sometimes gets blown out of porportion, and we need to be "re-familiarized" with what went on...


to all members, both Trailvoy & the SyTy clan, i apologize for letting that guy get under my skin... I really hate the internet, too much gets "misinterpreted".. come on down to the shop, after you meet me, I can assure you, you will scratch your head wondering if it's really the same guy who posts on here..:D

PS. Redhawk??? put a Converter in the Typhoon that can handle 4500+lbs towing (like a reg 4.3 Blazer/Jimmy) and watch that 1.7 turn into a 2.1 and the 1/4 in the high 14's, I have a converter and MINIMAL mods.. your "tune" was free? so was mine, can't call it free, as it's NOT.. my CAI was "free", is it really? my UD pulley/Belts I bought for $140 from StealthSS's truck, along witha 160 T-stat, but how much was it really? so would you like me to tell you it only cost me $140 to run 13.0@106?? or how about $1026 for 12.5's?? cause the converter was $886... go back on their site and Find me the minimal modded Typhoon running mid 12's? many don't have their mods listed, but the ones that do in the mid 12's have PLENTY.. turbos, Converters, all kinds of stuff that "Aint Free" ;)

[lesstalk]

And lesstalk, I think you need to take your screen name to heart, and talk less :yes: The TBSS is the superior vehicle, period. :D

My name refers to people that like to keyboard race and talk **** while never having a clue... you know much like this entire thread.

and that last comment about the "tbss being a superior vehicle, period" still remains to be seen.. I can't believe how stuck on yourselves you are.. I mean this is worse then a bimmer forum.. and if you bunch of tools got off your high horse for a moment and did some research you'd see this is a proven performer and there were tons of factory freaks out there unlike what i've seen from you guys.. so in short instead of talking smack and trying to make yourself feel superior against a 14 year old suv, get to work on making your suv less of a waste of an investment :yes:

[lesstalk]

go back on their site and Find me the minimal modded Typhoon running mid 12's? many don't have their mods listed, but the ones that do in the mid 12's have PLENTY.. turbos, Converters, all kinds of stuff that "Aint Free" ;)

get real. I don't street race, i'll run whoever whenever, at the track.. and if I can't beat 'em i'm sure someone eles can, there's always someone faster..... It's like starting something with someone, realizing you can't BACK IT UP and crying to your "Big Brother" for help... happy new year, no reason to keep this going, you know where we're at, stop by and we'll make a date to run...tough guy....Tony

Soo what happend with you'll run the world because there's no way that a 14 year old suv can out run your tbss..:rolleyes: I mean back peddling and busting out the towing thing already?? it's too soon man you should know this already hell you haven't even lost the race yet save that crying **** for after the loss. Don't forget to check your blinker fluid before you line up chief :duh:

[dgoodhue]

enough of this ****... what does a STOCK Typhoon mph in the 1/4? they are "quick", Syclones are "Quicker"... Typhoon's were nice because you could drive somewhere with friend's/cargo, but were NOT the runner the Syclones were, they were

Yes the Typhoon are about .4 slower than a Syclone. I have had my Sy for over 5 years and have been an admirer and follower since they basically new.

last but not least for the "not very polite" NJ member that wants to complain about the Magazine numbers

One thing to mention is that a SyTy boost launch is not known by all and I can see how the major maginze butchered it. A simple brake torque does not yield the best results. The engine need to be rev'ed in nuetral once or twice to build brake vacuum before brake torqueing boost launching.

guess the guy that started that flourishing forum doesn't know what he's talking about right?? that page has ALOT of specific and interesting info, here's the link... http://www.syty.org/old/faq.html remember

That page is old. A boost launch is worth 0.5 sec, so the slower numbers of that scale are because of that. I have seen dozen of Ty's run 13's if running right (and our truck are finnicky) and launch properly. I have seen a 13.4, a couple of 13.5's and the rest usually fall in the 13.6-14.0 range. As someone who into tune up these truck, if a Ty does not run atleast 14.1 that something is wrong.


PS. Redhawk??? put a Converter in the Typhoon that can handle 4500+lbs towing (like a reg 4.3 Blazer/Jimmy) and watch that 1.7 turn into a 2.1 and the 1/4 in the high 14's, I have a converter and MINIMAL mods..

Its not the converter that makes it not able to tow. It a little higher than the stock Jimmy of the time, but its a lower stall than what came in the 2nd generation converter. I know a few people who have had the wrong Torque Converter installed, it just takes a long time to build boost.

The engine was down rated to begin with. It was rated that it fit the maximum 700r4 350-360ft-lbs, Its true rating was 420-440 ft-lbs stock. So the transmission was over stressed to begin with . The Typhoon also has lowering spring and airshocks that would be able to handle a decent size tongue load. These two reasons are why it wasn't rated to tow.


your "tune" was free? so was mine, can't call it free, as it's NOT.. my CAI was "free", is it really? my UD pulley/Belts I bought for $140 from StealthSS's truck, along witha 160 T-stat, but how much was it really? so would you like me to tell you it only cost me $140 to run 13.0@106?? or how about $1026 for 12.5's?? cause the converter was $886...

What would it run on pump gas and off drag radials? :undecided You don't have to answer I am just giving you friendly crap :)


go back on their site and Find me the minimal modded Typhoon running mid 12's? many don't have their mods listed, but the ones that do in the mid 12's have PLENTY.. turbos, Converters, all kinds of stuff that "Aint Free" ;)

I have seen a few stock Typhoon's with a chip, fuel pump, & adjustable fuel pressure regulator run 13.0-13.1 in an otherwise stock engine. (The fuel pump is on the ragged edge stock and fuel pressure regulator is need to adjust the FP proper with a bigger fuel pump)

The fastest stock turbo Typhoon has run 12.6's, the fastest stock Turbo Syclone is 11.9's. These truck mods are basically running pump gas, exhaust, alky injection, and tuning. The 11.9 truck has a custom tune, and is .3-.4 faster than most other stock turbo Syclone's. I can honestly say with those mods a good running Typhoon should run high 12's with those mods.

[93typhoon]

Talking alot of **** people.. 33yo, live here and I'm at the shop everyday before I go to my regular job, you know where it is.. marc in PointPleasant? yeah we know him. Matt's company has done dozens of TBSS so far,including the first TurboSS.. many from 5 states, some being shipped form places like Boston, Virginia, etc., he knows his ****... I came here to clear something up, your "Jimmy" decided to TRY and talk **** over there and was put down, then puts up a Typhoon10sec vid?? comeon, who's 14now? I called HIM....out, hoping he was near here, but he wasn't I am surprised some of you got caught up in this, why would you congratulate him? was just trying to "Shoo" him away, as he WASN'T in anyway contributing to the forum, trolling and nothing more..
my truck runs mid 12's will be mid 11's, very soon (I can do anything from N2o, S/C, T/C, Stroker, H&C, etc.. undecided, but now know I need to be mid 11's, was only going to do 12.0's, but you know how it goes) , I am at Atco ALL THE TIME, I know what your trucks can do ( as we ALL know, ANYTHING can be made fast for enough $$$), as for the Turbo white one, well that one most likely will be skipping the 11's entirely by the start of the season.. he is installing an AWD dyno by the end of January, be sure to come by and introduce yourself, after meeting me, I can assure you, you will KNOW who the troublemaker is, I am not, in anyway that type of person.. I harbor no illwill towards anyone here that got caught up in this "pissing" match, as did i..

I can't stand the internet tough guy routine, I played it myself in that thread, stooping to that level, i apologize.. can't compare the two, one is 3800lbs one is 5000, stock vs stock they are similar, was my only point andf I took offense to the "Schooled" comment, I shouldn't have, that was a mistake, as right then I should have seen through the poster and realized he was acting childish to say that.. besides, him posting a link over here, instead of PM'ing "Ralph" was another sign of a punk kid, trying to start trouble..

As for the SCUMBAG trying to "Void My Warranty? (you ****, this is the one time I would love to know where a "poster" lived), make sure you get my Vin, my Dealer is WELL AWARE of my Mods you Scumbag, I have $$$ and fix my truck myself, only a Scumbag low life would ever suggest doing that, coward, *****, etc. your the type of "mary" to key a guys car if he smokes your ass, right? or took your girl, punk..
You guys need to reel some of your members in, truly an injustice to the real car/truck enthusiasts here.... Maybe I'll be there when the "WaWa 37" crowd is hanging out and when they roll onto 37 after smoking some weed, drinking, or imagine this a "Street Race"?? and drop a dime on them? exactly, why be a SCUMBAG and try to screw somebody? I only hope that something F'ed you did to someone comes back to you 10 fold.. I don't street race, I run at the track, I have TOO much to lose doing that, as ALL of you that do it on a regular basis do as well, but still haven't ":grown up" yet..

Ralph, I don't know you or your "crew" but feel free to stop by, whenever and introduce yourself, I have much respect for ANYTHING that is well cared for and made fast, it's not like that, once again an internet "battle" out of control...

Jimmy, you're a troublemaking, can't fight your own battles punk kid, if/after your "friend's" from my area meet me, they will let you know the same thing..

I will never post here again, I am sorry I ever replied to that kid..Tony


Wow just a bunch of nonsense.

The best being that the part about getting schooled at a stop light is what caused you to get pissed in the first place. But why would that bother a grown up like you that doesn't stree race?

[TonyGXP]

Wow just a bunch of nonsense.

The best being that the part about getting schooled at a stop light is what caused you to get pissed in the first place. But why would that bother a grown up like you that doesn't stree race?

you're right ok, i WAS WRONG, NEVER thought he would "cry" to his "e" friends about getting called out on here.. guy is a bagger, he runs high 12's, not 7.6 @95 in the 1/8th like he claimed, that's really the reason I responded (big mistake) , just tried to "Shoo" him off of here...


What would it run on pump gas and off drag radials? :undecided You don't have to answer I am just giving you friendly crap

I run on Pump gas and on Stock tires? search easy to find out.. 12.6 @106 w/ 1.80 60'

Its true rating was 420-440 ft-lbs stock
I think that's "quite" optimistic, where's that found? I need to read that one..

as for this?
no back peddling here, (If you check with some of these guys who know me on here & Other SS forum, you will understand) I back up my "smack" talking with Slips, can you do the same? I'll run whatever.. at the track, not the street, Any street racing is a bad idea, unless you are out in he middle of nowhere and can't effedct anyone but yourself, around here there is NO place like that anymore.. yeah, make sure to bring your "ringer" if it makes you feel better, we know what my truck runs, I hide NO mods, when my truck is up and running with the new setup, I'll tell all and post the proof, I am no BS'er.. I help as many guys as I can on here, when I buy a part, install it, I answer a million questions because I am a team player, when a guy like him comes in here to beat his chest at our expense? well I called his bluff...

are you done fighting "Jimmy's" battles? seriously, it's over.. the TBSS has many advancements over the Typhoon, as it should given it's 13 years NEWER.. the Typhoon is a nice vehicle, when it came out it was state of the art and coolest SUV around.. we can go round and round, forever.. why bother? Sorry to all, again.. let it go..

[The Evaporator]

Gyze, gyze....pleeze try to uze sum restraynt in posting and get along.

[lesstalk]

Really sticking your foot in your mouth now I see ethug :yes:

here
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/6158/dynoresultscu6.gif

[dgoodhue]

guy is a bagger, he runs high 12's, not 7.6 @95 in the 1/8th like he claimed, that's really the reason I responded (big mistake) , just tried to "Shoo" him off of here...

Yeah we are enthusiastic about our trucks and may have rubbed you wrong., but dude you jump down his throat and everything he said was factually true.

-His truck did run 7.6@90 and he has run his truck in front of a couple hundred SyTy owners over the last few years at SyTy Nats. I went this year to the Nats and saw him run 12.68@104 at 13psi (or maybe it was 15psi) on a 80 degree day. At the time, he was still working on his tune of a new Beta program and the ignition broke up at higher boost, he usually runs as much 23-25 psi. In fact I think his Ty will be quicker than 7.6's, but he only bragged about what his truck has run not what it could do. Does it run abnormal times for the amount of mods? No, his truck runs what it should run for the mods he has.


-Last Fall GM HiTech Performance did run 3 100% stock Typhoons at GM Tech Magazine tack day of modern Muscle cars, all three of the Ty's ran high 13's and with a best of 13.4. (The Syclone at that meet actually ran 14.1, but he wasn't an experience drag racers)

-The Magazine did not drive our truck always to its fullest potential. The rev in neutral before brake torquing isn't intuitive to most people.

You might want to review what you wrote, you came off as the internet keyboard warrior. Your the one who should be apologizing to him. Some of us have an interest in Trailblazer SS. Its the only thing GM has come out remotely close to a Typhoon replacement.

I think that's "quite" optimistic, where's that found? I need to read that one...

As for the 420-440 ft-lbs of torque stock,

A few in here are stock.

http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27981&highlight=

Another Stock Dyno

http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=17002&highlight=

Even in the modified trucks you can clearly see torque is not an issue with our motors. The secret to what make our truck quick is traction and a boatload of torque.

[TuneTimePerformance]

if your "stock" numbers are accurate, they should be MUCH faster than a low 13... especially at 99mph.. 307hp & 441tq???? in a truck that weighs 3800lbs and only running this:

I did 307awhp/455awtq
__________________
Dan
92 Ty #0815
**Work in Progress**
T76 Q-trim BB turbo, RPM A2A, custom 3" DP w ITS Minigate, custom 3" exhaust
Stock setup - 13.1 @ 99mph -- 1.7 60'
New setup - ?? @ ???mph
and that guy says he ran 13.1 @99? unless he is in the "Alps" or towing a jet ski how is that possible? not flaming you here, just puzzled..

we have a truck that Dyno'd only 375tq & 362hp that ran 13.0 (12.95 on a DR) before a converter.. and these SS's weigh 4800-5000lbs. do you see why this doesn't add up for me? runs were made at atco and comparing them to others that ran there on your site, they run the same (stock mid13-low14, typhoons I am talking about) as what was advertised, do those have the same HP & TQ your claiming? just hard to believe, when we do this on a daily basis..

[dgoodhue]

if your "stock" numbers are accurate, they should be MUCH faster than a low 13... especially at 99mph.. 307hp & 441tq???? in a truck that weighs 3800lbs and only running this:
and that guy says he ran 13.1 @99? unless he is in the "Alps" or towing a jet ski how is that possible? not flaming you here, just puzzled..

He is in Arizona some heat/altitude (northern Arizona is 2500 feet above sea level) and some dyno's vary somewhat (~20hp). To me it doesn't seem out of whack. His Typhoon isn't 100% stock though, its probably a stock turbo with maybe a catback exhuast mods and chip. Typically with a more boost and a good chip the torque numbers jump over 450ft at the wheels. In the links I sent, I think their were 3 stock trucks. I personally don't get too caught up into Dyno's, it just another variance. For what ever reason I don't think SyTy dyno that well, maybe the loading doesn't work that well with the turbo compared to real world. I know a couple of tuner guys who have tuned their truck in at the track and then have gone to a dyno to dial in their combo for every last hp only to find out that the new dyno tune is a few .1's slower and they need to go back to the old track tune to get their performance back.

As far as the ET/MPH, I would expect to see a little more MPH maybe 1-2mph more. One thing that sort of hold back the mph in the stock truck is that shift from 3rd gear to OD is 97/98 which ends up being at the end of the track. I think the MPH sometime gets a little skewed because of that...

[TonyGXP]

He is in Arizona some heat/altitude (northern Arizona is 2500 feet above sea level) and some dyno's vary somewhat (~20hp). To me it doesn't seem out of whack. His Typhoon isn't 100% stock though, its probably a stock turbo with maybe a catback exhuast mods and chip. Typically with a more boost and a good chip the torque numbers jump over 450ft at the wheels. In the links I sent, I think their were 3 stock trucks. I personally don't get too caught up into Dyno's, it just another variance. For what ever reason I don't think SyTy dyno that well, maybe the loading doesn't work that well with the turbo compared to real world. I know a couple of tuner guys who have tuned their truck in at the track and then have gone to a dyno to dial in their combo for every last hp only to find out that the new dyno tune is a few .1's slower and they need to go back to the old track tune to get their performance back.

As far as the ET/MPH, I would expect to see a little more MPH maybe 1-2mph more. One thing that sort of hold back the mph in the stock truck is that shift from 3rd gear to OD is 97/98 which ends up being at the end of the track. I think the MPH sometime gets a little skewed because of that...

OD at 98mph?? why not hold it in 3rd through the traps then? I can see the Dyno being "skewed", because if you use any of the HP calculators, I know they are not close to accurate, but USUALLY they err on the "high side" they are only giving you guys like 250/340 for a 13.1 @99 on 3800lbs.. I have seen dyno numbers for the New LS4 FWD GXP/MonteSS that showed they had 360tq, it ended up being either low in third gear or running it in 2nd & and the multiplication of the TC, not real TQ, but someone could easily misinterpret the reading...

Listen, I Love to race my truck, hate this "I could" beat this and that, go to the track and do it, just rubbed me the wrong way, hopefully, he will stay off of here and let us be... thanks for clearing some of that up, fun to compare, but not practicle, both SUV's, but one is 1000lbs heavier, one uses a Turbo V6 other relies on Cubes, on and on....

One of your members reminded me, are you modded guys emissions legal? we are, Cats, noise level, stock exhaust:yes: , just a testament to the advances made in the HiPo world... hard to compare 13yo technology to todays....

[PEDRO]

WOW,syts's are badass,ive actually been looking for one to do street racing in,since i cant ever hook from a stop....Funny the other day i seen a ragged out one(poor ty) with what i call "beener tires"(the ones that stick out 5 inches from the fender and are only 8 inches wide). I will find one one day to have me some fun.Tony, PM on what ya got done now!!!!:)

[VTODD]

WOW,syts's are badass,ive actually been looking for one to do street racing in,since i cant ever hook from a stop....Funny the other day i seen a ragged out one(poor ty) with what i call "beener tires"(the ones that stick out 5 inches from the fender and are only 8 inches wide). I will find one one day to have me some fun.Tony, PM on what ya got done now!!!!:)

sounds to me like his wife gave him the approval to get into some serious mods! :) since matts already got a turbo and you two are friends, why not go different. how about a sweet nitrous cam and a modest 150 shot! i really think you could kick some serious ass with your current transmission and a really thought out nitrous cam with progressive n20 at 150 pills! got me all excited. good luck whatever you do. you are track-guy that daily drives the TBSS nicely. sounds like nitrous is the best option. take the money you saved from this vs. going the s/c , turbo or h/c route and get some other goodies. i often think i should have went this route, and iam not suggesting it to you because thats what i want to do, but because i really think its a great idea for a track-star/daily driver. PM me your thoughts, too. i am interested.

todd

[TonyGXP]

sounds to me like his wife gave him the approval to get into some serious mods! :) since matts already got a turbo and you two are friends, why not go different. how about a sweet nitrous cam and a modest 150 shot! i really think you could kick some serious ass with your current transmission and a really thought out nitrous cam with progressive n20 at 150 pills! got me all excited. good luck whatever you do. you are track-guy that daily drives the TBSS nicely. sounds like nitrous is the best option. take the money you saved from this vs. going the s/c , turbo or h/c route and get some other goodies. i often think i should have went this route, and iam not suggesting it to you because thats what i want to do, but because i really think its a great idea for a track-star/daily driver. PM me your thoughts, too. i am interested.

todd
I am hoping to get into the 13's by the summer...
funny you say that.. we saw what a 150shot and my (equivalent) setup, less the E-Fans pulled off on street tires (11.4 @121) w/ Mike Smith's 2WD..
I just PM'd Pedro, I think 07' will be a nice racing season.. the AWD Dyno will be done in a few weeks, the concrete pad was done today, Mustang is shipping the Dyno in a couple weeks and we're off:D ... trying to keep this truck full emissions compliant and DD as well (not that I need to drive it everyday, but want it to blend in:yes:) , going unnoticed until I launch, love that feeling:crazy: .... thanks Todd, I will keep all up to date, as I always have and let you know EXACTLY what direction I go, right now I think a dual stage kit is most feasible, but I have acces to plenty of things (and a New H&C combo Matt is working on with a Major Cyl Head company) so we'll see...

But I will be sure to "keep" an eye out as not to get "Schooled" by a Typhoon..thanks for the warning, they could be Dangerous..;)

[PEDRO]

I wanna be slow like u Tony!!!

[The Evaporator]

I am hoping to get into the 13's by the summer...
funny you say that.. we saw what a 150shot and my (equivalent) setup, less the E-Fans pulled off on street tires (11.4 @121) w/ Mike Smith's 2WD..

Ow my, dat iz to funnie:D. Yew need to post a vidio if that becawse thoze tyme are not pozzible on street tyres in a 5000 pownd SS:no:. I think yew are dreeming big tyme, dudette:undecided!!

[dgoodhue]

OD at 98mph?? why not hold it in 3rd through the traps then? I can see the Dyno being "skewed", because if you use any of the HP calculators, I know they are not close to accurate, but USUALLY they err on the "high side" they are only giving you guys like 250/340 for a 13.1 @99 on 3800lbs.

If it has the stock chip it will hit the rev limiter (4800 rpm) at 99mph. You hold it some but at 99 mph its already 200-300rpm past the other shift points (4500-4600) and their little power is up their with the stock anemic cam. The power fall off pretty quick. Our stock cam is 175/195 duration .351/.386 lift, since our motor has the classic SBC 4.00 Bore/3.48 stroke those numbers are directly comparable to SBC V8 cams.

As I said 99mph seems a little low and Ty is 3800 w/o driver, so its probably close to 4000# if that helps. I gave up on the HP calculator for SyTy because they never seem right. I could get them to work but what work for stock trucks didn't work for slightly modified ones, and those didn't work on high modified ones. I have never seen torque calculator (if that is what your talking about with the 340)

I have seen dyno numbers for the New LS4 FWD GXP/MonteSS that showed they had 360tq, it ended up being either low in third gear or running it in 2nd & and the multiplication of the TC, not real TQ, but someone could easily misinterpret the reading...

I don't have a graph of ever single one of them; Its clear on the graph have seen that it is not a spike of torque (though I have seen TC spikes on losser converters) Torque is one of the main reason we have some many transmission problems.

One of your members reminded me, are you modded guys emissions legal? we are, Cats, noise level, stock exhaust:yes: , just a testament to the advances made in the HiPo world... hard to compare 13yo technology to todays....

Most of the stock turbo trucks have to run cats because they overboost without them (or they have to change the wastegate). I am not going to say every one them still has them, but its relatively high, compared to what I see in the rest of the performance world. Some trucks are loud, some are not. The turbo muffles the exhuast some so someone running a cat and a muffler is going to be relatively quiet.

[TonyGXP]

dGoddhue, thanks for the knowledge, that's wild that they don't go higher in third, forgetting about the low redline & where they make their power, I know my Friend's T-Type hits 4th close to the top of the 1/4, around 118-120 he runs 127mph, thought the SyTy was similar, now I know..

Evaporator, there are multiple 11 second SS's, they don't post here, and I would NEVER give you the link, as you aren't going to do a thing over there to help, so believe it or not.. and it doesn't take much to make these 13.0's all day long and if you're smart and identify the BIGGEST problem (stock Converter) and address that early on, you will feel like your in a C6.. it's a HUGE gain in here, I picked up .41 from the converter alone and 2+mph...

[The Evaporator]

if you're smart and identify the BIGGEST problem (stock Converter) and address that early on, you will feel like your in a C6.. it's a HUGE gain in here, I picked up .41 from the converter alone and 2+mph...

I gess I am confuzed than becawse yore signatere informashun reflex a 14.2 1/4 mile time.....to me dat not C6 performenze number. That shood feel moar like a VW GTI to yew:cool:

[tbssny]

I gess I am confuzed than becawse yore signatere informashun reflex a 14.2 1/4 mile time.....to me dat not C6 performenze number. That shood feel moar like a VW GTI to yew:cool:


It is a jooke fore peps like ya to assk dumbe queasoins:yes: got it Evaporator

[xtremess]

i personally believe the sy/ty's to be more impressive. i have a tbss and my friend has a typhoon and if i had to choose between the both id take the ty any day. its alot more fun to drive and it turns alot more heads then my ss.

[dgoodhue]

I gess I am confuzed than becawse yore signatere informashun reflex a 14.2 1/4 mile time.....to me dat not C6 performenze number. That shood feel moar like a VW GTI to yew:cool:

:confused: English please

[PEDRO]

:confused: English please

i thought he came from ur site???? lol..I think if he's gonna atleast reply he should make readable to toddlers

[vetruck]

I gess I am confuzed than becawse yore signatere informashun reflex a 14.2 1/4 mile time.....to me dat not C6 performenze number. That shood feel moar like a VW GTI to yew:cool:

This guy gets dumber by the minute....wait....Evaporator translation: Dez gouy geetz dummer bi de menut :cool: Am I cool now too :sleepy:

[dgoodhue]

i thought he came from ur site???? lol..

:no: :rotfl:

[ATV PRO]

Everytime I read his post I lose a few IQ points.:o I'm suprised he was able to even sign himself up to TV or pass the dmv test. I knew the country was heading downhill but I think the grade is more of a cliff.:suicide:

[blktbz]

Everytime I read his post I lose a few IQ points.:o I'm suprised he was able to even sign himself up to TV or pass the dmv test. I knew the country was heading downhill but I think the grade is more of a cliff.:suicide:
lol..i was reading through this thread, all was good, then outta nowhere i thought i was becoming dyslexic....glad to see im not the only one thinking that:cool:

[Doctyphoon]

I am the original owner of a refrigerator white '93 Typhoon & have test driven an '07 TBSS (as well as a JC SRT-8). The Ty is my favorite vehicle of all that I have owned. I paid $28000 for it in '93 and it weighs about 3800lbs. The body kit, monochrome-look and low production numbers make it a headturner, even now. The chemistry between the turboed/intercooled six, AWD & 4AT was something special, with seat-pinning launches (very much like the stock JC SRT-8) its forte. Its sport suspension with airbagged rear & its short wheelbase made the ride firm and a bit choppy. The leather on the seats was soft and first rate, although the rest of the interior was lackluster, even for '93. A 14 flat quarter was pretty representative of a stock example & quick for the time. Modding them was a challenge, as they were a one-off piece and it took years before the combination was sorted out, especially the computer tuning. Initial efforts often produced slower trucks and the bottom end was not stout, so detonation was the evil villain waiting for the too adventurous. And as power increased, the front prop shafts revealed their fragility. They can be made to perform impressively with upgraded internals, new heads, cam, turbo, intercooler, TC and tuning. But we are talking big $$$ and you better have someone who knows what they are doing, not Joe down at the corner speed shop. Memory makes vehicles faster, quicker and more reliable. That said, in terms of TBSS vs. Ty, lets leave it with "every dog has its day."

[02-Bravada-88]

I gess I am confuzed than becawse yore signatere informashun reflex a 14.2 1/4 mile time.....to me dat not C6 performenze number. That shood feel moar like a VW GTI to yew:cool:

.....:undecided ....

here's a late Christmas present from me to you man...

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I got you the "Phonics Plus" reading and spelling kit.

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Its even better when you have a cassette player!

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[The Evaporator]

Everytime I read his post I lose a few IQ points.:o I'm suprised he was able to even sign himself up to TV or pass the dmv test. I knew the country was heading downhill but I think the grade is more of a cliff.:suicide:

Gize, I am sorrie fore confuzun. I have bad reck and maney brane surgury. I can say werds now but have trubel sepling them owt. I luv fass vehikels and have enuf sents to no my Syclone wil eezily defeet a Taho SS but I lyke the SS grately and joyn the syte. Yew gize have a grate syte. Sorrie I mess it up so with teer in my I, I not post no moar:cry: .

[vetruck]

Gize, I am sorrie fore confuzun. I have bad reck and maney brane surgury. I can say werds now but have trubel sepling them owt. I luv fass vehikels and have enuf sents to no my Syclone wil eezily defeet a Taho SS but I lyke the SS grately and joyn the syte. Yew gize have a grate syte. Sorrie I mess it up so with teer in my I, I not post no moar:cry: .

:rolleyes: :laugh: :dielaugh: :rotfl: :laugh: :dielaugh: :rotfl: Great departure (from reality). Good luck with your brane.

[blktbz]

I luv fass vehikels and have enuf sents to no my Syclone wil eezily defeet a Taho SS but I lyke the SS grately and joyn the syte.
Tahoe? where have you seen a Tahoe SS? and the fact that you spelt 'Evaporator' correctly leads me to belive that you can spell...

[The Evaporator]

Tahoe? where have you seen a Tahoe SS? and the fact that you spelt 'Evaporator' correctly leads me to belive that you can spell...

Sew far az dis thred iz consurned, the Trailblazer iz Ta Hoe :yes: .....haha, insyde joke. Do yew get it:crazy:? I tri tew kepe a funnie purspextiv on thengs. En mi defense, mi mentle dokter gave mi tytel to help me alt why loging on sew I dont uppere stoopid;). I try to nto to post no moore. It iz hard beecawse I em starting to feel ecsepted now.

[The Evaporator]

i thought he came from ur site???? lol..I think if he's gonna atleast reply he should make readable to toddlers

Wat is yore site name. Eye wuld love tew vizit it as wale:undecided . Thank yew, kin ser.

[VTODD]

Wat is yore site name. Eye wuld love tew vizit it as wale:undecided . Thank yew, kin ser.

lol you are a funny man. ;)

whens the joke over, though? lol

[TonyGXP]

I am the original owner of a refrigerator white '93 Typhoon & have test driven an '07 TBSS (as well as a JC SRT-8). The Ty is my favorite vehicle of all that I have owned. I paid $28000 for it in '93 and it weighs about 3800lbs. The body kit, monochrome-look and low production numbers make it a headturner, even now. The chemistry between the turboed/intercooled six, AWD & 4AT was something special, with seat-pinning launches (very much like the stock JC SRT-8) its forte. Its sport suspension with airbagged rear & its short wheelbase made the ride firm and a bit choppy. The leather on the seats was soft and first rate, although the rest of the interior was lackluster, even for '93. A 14 flat quarter was pretty representative of a stock example & quick for the time. Modding them was a challenge, as they were a one-off piece and it took years before the combination was sorted out, especially the computer tuning. Initial efforts often produced slower trucks and the bottom end was not stout, so detonation was the evil villain waiting for the too adventurous. And as power increased, the front prop shafts revealed their fragility. They can be made to perform impressively with upgraded internals, new heads, cam, turbo, intercooler, TC and tuning. But we are talking big $$$ and you better have someone who knows what they are doing, not Joe down at the corner speed shop. Memory makes vehicles faster, quicker and more reliable. That said, in terms of TBSS vs. Ty, lets leave it with "every dog has its day."


thanks for the honesty, some of this is Dejavu... I feel the exact way you do about the SyTy's and you having owned one may make some of the people that "popped up" here understand where I was coming from.. Thos trucks are great, but 13yrs later the technology is such that we have Toyota Camry's running low 14's and are decked out like a fighter plane.. the Jeep would be a close equivalent in today's technology, in it's handling, speed and exclusivity, but like the Ty, the $$$$$.... the SS is a bargain and it ALWAYS seems to be lost when we compare it to anything..

[terdrocket]

I read that and think 14 yrs later and I only paid $5,000 more for my SS. Wow, not bad.

[TonyGXP]

I read that and think 14 yrs later and I only paid $5,000 more for my SS. Wow, not bad.

lol I only paid $2500 more!

[6UndrPressr]

So is anything fast for the streets gonna come out of this shop to hit 37 up?? sounds like there has been alot of mouthing with nothing to back it up, just curious:D

[TonyGXP]

So is anything fast for the streets gonna come out of this shop to hit 37 up?? sounds like there has been alot of mouthing with nothing to back it up, just curious:D

never said there would be a street race.. take it to the track, if it'll make it.. Stop by the shop and set it up.. I believe the track will be open in early march..
street racing is illegal, and if you get caught you will regret it for a long, long time.. trust me... I know..

[JCattSS]

ef vaperater lef i wood mrs hiz spelun lessenz. doz tyfoonze en ciclonze wur bad azz den anne tudae. juss a tean bak den but now i kin ford a tbss cuz eyz growed up in werkin.
Go Hoosiers!!

[6UndrPressr]

cant go to the track as i am not legal...been street racing for many many years never a problem....what would you like to set up, plus what did you mean if it will make it?? ill make you look foolish up and down the strip so like you said in one post careful who you talk to

[go wings go]

another pro internet racer:sleepy:

[6UndrPressr]

pro internet racer??? ill take it your local to TR?

[go wings go]

go play some more nfs:weird:

[6UndrPressr]

ah ill take it just a flapper and not a racer....come wonder to 37 saturday i will be out there with my car, dont be afraid its only 231CI.

[go wings go]

alot like urself hey?:D

[go wings go]

just so u know this is trailvoy not streetracers r us:crazy:

[6UndrPressr]

never said it was but a local shop was talking about racing so here i am seeing what the deal is, im pretty sure it has nothing to do with you since you dont seem antsy to race like they were talking..i heard a number like 1k or something..no need to give me **** im in no way disrespecting you and had nothing directed towards you till you opened your mouth

[vetruck]

never said it was but a local shop was talking about racing so here i am seeing what the deal is, im pretty sure it has nothing to do with you since you dont seem antsy to race like they were talking..i heard a number like 1k or something..no need to give me **** im in no way disrespecting you and had nothing directed towards you till you opened your mouth

Your boring me :sleepy: , send evaporator back so we can have another good laugh here at Trailvoy :D

[6UndrPressr]

good thing i was trying to entertain you huh...just hear to see what the TB from tunetime wants to do he was flapping his mouth locally so im looking for a run.

[vetruck]

good thing i was trying to entertain you huh...just hear to see what the TB from tunetime wants to do he was flapping his mouth locally so im looking for a run.

I think he made it very clear that he will run you at the track, not illegally on the street. If you can't do that, go find someone who doesn't really need their license and their job and maybe they will run you.

[TonyGXP]

I think he made it very clear that he will run you at the track, not illegally on the street. If you can't do that, go find someone who doesn't really need their license and their job and maybe they will run you.

how funny is this guy?? "6undrpressr" I know this much about you.. you drive a GN/T-Type, you meet on 37 (either WaWa or by AutoZone, I'm sure) and you brag about streetracing in TomsRiver.. what you don't know about me is this.. next time you're out there street racing I'll be looking out for a car that fits the above description doing those things that are not legal.. then we'll see if you thought it wasa good idea to come on here "flapping" your gums, as you say.. I challenged a Typhoon to run at the track, not a GN.. If you are "illegal" as you say and can't make it to the track, well that's exactly my point.. As I cruise Down 70 in comfort, knowing how much a daily driver this truck is and what a beast it is at the track.. calling TuneTime out is a HUGE mistake if you knew what was in the arsenal and who we run with.. although we grew up and run at the track, while you're out there causing problems on a very..VERY busy and "Fatal" prone hwy doing what you do.. all it would take for the street racing meets to be gone from those 2 locations is about 5min of my time.. consider this an "intervention", maybe God was looking out for you, sent you here and now you will either learn and stop, or not and BE STOPPED? your move..

hey, I got a proposition for ya. if you can trailer it to the track one of my friend's has an 86' White T-Type street car..no cage, runs on 18" Nitto's big heavy chrome wheels, $8k system w/Nav-DVD full stealth set up, Dynamat, etc (heavy car, no "stripper").. last time out it went 11.5 @127 w/2.0 60' walking out.. with the old, stock motor. now it has a "little" more done to it. think 10.5's, driven to the track, would you care to run that? I have pics, I'll scan them in, was before I bought my Dig camera (you know how slow I am to catch on to new Technology!) last year.. Maybe you want to run some street-C5's in the low 9's? there's always a faster vehicle.. you say you've been street racing for a long time and you don't know that yet? Go buy an SUV and we'll compare apples to apples..

PS. "JustASix" "UndrPressr" nice screen names, a lil late 80's-ish though. that worked when the GN's were the only V6 with power.. time to move on.

[tbssny]

What the hell is going on here their must have been a full moon out for the last month? Alot of crazy mofo's lerking in our forum that don't no **** about racing. Welcome to the internet age. Everyone's FASSSSSST in here.:dielaugh: Tony do you have a bullseye painted on your back everyone want to take a swing at ya:undecided could be some jealous ass people

[6UndrPressr]

you can do what you please about the spots on 37 as i do not actually race on that road nor anywhere in the direct area i just hang out out there...i would def. be interested in a run with that t-type as long as its a stock block the price can go wherever you want it to go since 10.5's aint scaring me in the slightest way. as for trailoring i dont own one and always drive the car, talk about cruising in comfort i got you covered there. you can threaten what you may about street racing im not your average guy racing on 37 as it is not safe on that road...look for the GN on 37 and come right up and introduce yourself...as for your arsenal lets not go there.

[blktbz]

Now i havent read the whole thread, but does this new guy even own an SS? or a Ty/Sy ?...or is he just here to brag?

[tbssny]

you can do what you please about the spots on 37 as i do not actually race on that road nor anywhere in the direct area i just hang out out there...i would def. be interested in a run with that t-type as long as its a stock block the price can go wherever you want it to go since 10.5's aint scaring me in the slightest way. as for trailoring i dont own one and always drive the car, talk about cruising in comfort i got you covered there. you can threaten what you may about street racing im not your average guy racing on 37 as it is not safe on that road...look for the GN on 37 and come right up and introduce yourself...as for your arsenal lets not go there.

Tony, dont waste your time with this ASS:no:

[6UndrPressr]

how am i an ass if im looking to race??? do you guys not race?? ill go to the track who do i ask for next time im around tunetime to set up the race wit the t-type??? ill bring my car so you guys can check it out as well. not starting a sh*t show here just one person yapped about racing and i caught wind of it and its now has a domino effect.

[TonyGXP]

tisk tisk tisk.. you can stop in anytime, see Matt, or me.. I am usually there before I head out to work.. and don't worry, I know ALL the spots for street racing.. Unfortunately, actual crime keep us from being able to stop it. if you must, hopefully you're heading out to Dover rd or similar location so the only thing you kill is yourself or a Deer if it gets ugly.

You're into GN's? ever heard of DynoTech in Manville? call eric and ask him about the car I described earlier, trust me, you want no part of it.. that car on a real slick is setup for 10.0's, 60's low 1.5's, the 10.5's are in "Street trim" on 18lbs.. and he just added alky inj.
ever hear of twisted racing? if so, ask the owner who has the yellow Cobra Convertible how quick the car is.. with no tuning, less than 100mi on new motor 16lbs. on the Nitto's (with 35psi) spinning a good 100' or so and he only had a car on it (one time street race in the "middle" of nowhere) we talked after the run and he was amazed to see the alky not hooked up and how it ran.. ask around, see what his Cobra runs (it aint 10.5's)..

arsenal? street cars? stop by the shop, we'll watch some videos of our friend's cars.. you show me what runs quicker.. I back up what I say with results, on paper, in person, whatever.. I'm not a kid, can't stand getting caught up in this BS.. should've let the big mouth talk and not called him out because now it's a free for all.. stop by the shop, bring your junk to the track in March and results will speak for themselves..

Can we lock this crap up and move the F'k on now?

[Fishhunter911]

enough is enough... closed!

[ghoster]

Joe got here first