Saw a SRT-8 today.

[ttdolson]

Well, I went to the Detroit auto show today and saw an SRT-8 in person.
The hype is just that ....Hype. The truck is actually pretty ugly. I swear that I walked past it 3 times looking for it. It looks exactly like a stock GC exept for the goofy exhaust tips.
The tires are very small. and the trim looks very cheap. I am so glad that I bought my TBSS. It looks a 100 times better.
And by the way, GM has a really nice Silver TBSS on display in there section. All of the SS models from GM were in silver. When I asked the GM guy why they were all silver he said "Everyone knows that Silver is the fastest"....I sh*t you not, that's what he said.:D

[Blulytes]

hahaha... thats pretty funny

[JLMXTRM]

When I asked the GM guy why they were all silver he said "Everyone knows that Silver is the fastest"....I sh*t you not, that's what he said.:D

Salesmen They must all be liar's (no offense to the sales guys out there) because everyone knows Black is the fastest color:rotfl: :raspberry

[vermorel]

Well, I went to the Detroit auto show today and saw an SRT-8 in person.
The hype is just that ....Hype. The truck is actually pretty ugly. I swear that I walked past it 3 times looking for it. It looks exactly like a stock GC exept for the goofy exhaust tips.
The tires are very small. and the trim looks very cheap. I am so glad that I bought my TBSS. It looks a 100 times better.
And by the way, GM has a really nice Silver TBSS on display in there section. All of the SS models from GM were in silver. When I asked the GM guy why they were all silver he said "Everyone knows that Silver is the fastest"....I sh*t you not, that's what he said.:D

Wheels are the same size/larger:

the all-new 2006 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 is fitted with unique forged 20-inch five-spoke aluminum wheels shod with high-performance Goodyear W-rated four-season tires with run-flat capability. Tire dimensions are 255/45/20 in the front, and a massive 285/40/20 in the rear.

I agree on the "cheap"...but not on the color.

[fredg369]

Ya think 285/40/20's will fit on rear rims of the TBSS.....We most likely don't have the right rim width.
On second thought I don't think I even want to pay for a tire that size.

[TB SS]

I assume since the GC SRT-8 comes with run-flats, that it doesn't come with a spare. And I presume the exhaust configuration prevents an undercarrage spare like the TB. I'm also making the assumption that normal GC's have undercarrage spares. (I know.. a lot of assumptions) :D

Even so, while run-flats may seem like a convenience, have you ever priced them? :eek: Even if you never have a blow-out or road hazard event, the eventual tire replacement cost for the SRT-8 guys will be eye-opening for them. $$$$ :crazy: :suicide: Just ask the new mini-cooper guys. I can only imagine what 20" 40-series run-flats go for!

[Boilermaker-744]

Size: 285/40WR20
RunFlat
Serv. Desc: 104W
Price: $367.00
Estimated Availability: Low Stock
Size: 255/45WR20
RunFlat
Serv. Desc: 101W
Price: $339.00
Estimated Availability: Low Stock tirerack.com

[02redhawk]

I agree on the "cheap"....


You can say that for basically every Chrysler product, interior especially.

[TrailblazerSS]

And by the way, GM has a really nice Silver TBSS on display in there section. All of the SS models from GM were in silver. When I asked the GM guy why they were all silver he said "Everyone knows that Silver is the fastest"....I sh*t you not, that's what he said.:D

:iagree: Silver is the fastest. ;)

[ttdolson]

The rims may be 20's but in person they look small. Also the tires have almost no side wall to them. It really looks like a small wheel in a big fender.
(Kinda like the canyon extreme trucks look. if you've seen one)

[Fishhunter911]

:iagree: Silver is the fastest. ;):iagree: :iagree: :thumbsup: UHUH!!!!!!

[Red SS]

I pity the fools who don't believe Red is the fastest.

[Fishhunter911]

I pity the fools who don't believe Red is the fastest.


Well for now mine is faster then yours!:raspberry

[SS TITANIC]

I am a salesman and silver is the fastest!:raspberry

[03LTZvixen]

no no no no no. i may not have an ss. but everyone knows RED is the fastest color.... red is hot :yes:

[Kybuilt]

All of the SS models from GM were in silver. When I asked the GM guy why they were all silver he said "Everyone knows that Silver is the fastest"....I sh*t you not, that's what he said.:D
:iagree: It figures, that you would meet the one honest salesman in the whole place!

[Red SS]

no no no no no. i may not have an ss. but everyone knows RED is the fastest color.... red is hot :yes:

:yes:

[BLK06TBSS]

Black is the fastest.

But regardless I had runflats on my Vette. AWESOME.

I Want to eventually get runflats on my Tbss. (they do weigh more)

- Mark

[MegaSRT8]

Red is fastest - no doubt.

You jealous MthrFckrs. Give credit where credit is due. I agree that the TBSS is tough looking, but so is the Jeep. However the ultimate performer (by FAR) is the Jeep in every way. And there is no way the TBSS can compete performace wise. Hence the $8k - $10k difference in price.

The interior of both is "cheap" compared to - say - the RRS S/C or the Cayanne, but all in all they're both adacuate. The TBSS wins in interior space, towing capability, and customizing (interior material and color, and option selections).

It also has an edge in performance upgrades available. But even with the upgrades, without a new suspension the truck would lose control trying to keep up with the Jeep. And a new suspansion is upwards of $8k on top of the engine mods.

The wheels on the Jeep are PHAT in every sense of the word. Expensive? Yes! But I hope a TBSS never tries to dual a Jeep. It's like a Mustang vs a Vette. NOT a fair challenge

[Red SS]

I don't think the SS is that much worse handling than the SRT8, if at all.

[oh20]

I assume since the GC SRT-8 comes with run-flats, that it doesn't come with a spare. And I presume the exhaust configuration prevents an undercarrage spare like the TB. I'm also making the assumption that normal GC's have undercarrage spares. (I know.. a lot of assumptions
You are correct in all of your assumptions


You can say that for basically every Chrysler product, interior especially.
You are incorrect in your assumption. I was looking to replace my wife's 2001 S10 pickup and checked out the new Colorados at the local auto show. I could not believe how much they cheapened the interior. The cupholder console on the floor looked like it was made of paper and came unhooked from the floor with just a little touch. It was attached to the floor with two tiny plastic posts. The armrests were cheapened as was a lot of the rest of the interior. Needless to say, we won't be buying a new one.

A few of the reviews on the SS have denoted the cheap interior quality. I have compared both the SS and Jeep SRT8 and the Jeep definitely is ahead in this area. ALL manufacturers have cut costs and it is VERY noticeable on the new models, whether it is GM, Chrysler or Ford. Look at some of the new Toyota models and you'll notice cost-cutting there as well. A sign of the times, unfortunately.

[ScarabEpic22]

Red is fastest - no doubt.

You jealous MthrFckrs. Give credit where credit is due. I agree that the TBSS is tough looking, but so is the Jeep. However the ultimate performer (by FAR) is the Jeep in every way. And there is no way the TBSS can compete performace wise. Hence the $8k - $10k difference in price.

The interior of both is "cheap" compared to - say - the RRS S/C or the Cayanne, but all in all they're both adacuate. The TBSS wins in interior space, towing capability, and customizing (interior material and color, and option selections).

It also has an edge in performance upgrades available. But even with the upgrades, without a new suspension the truck would lose control trying to keep up with the Jeep. And a new suspansion is upwards of $8k on top of the engine mods.

The wheels on the Jeep are PHAT in every sense of the word. Expensive? Yes! But I hope a TBSS never tries to dual a Jeep. It's like a Mustang vs a Vette. NOT a fair challenge

Welcome to the site.

I beg to differ on the suspension, did you know it was tuned by GM at the Nurenburg track in Germany, where Audi and the like tune their cars? The Jeep might be slightly stiffer, but until you get above 130+mph, the SS will be right there with it. Heck, just throwing on my Hotchkis rear swaybar kit for $180 makes my TB handle just as well as my RX300, but still has a little of the comfort for longer road trips. If I need to pass on the hwy now, it is a simple wheel flick left or right and Im gone. I highly doubt my 02 TB handles as well as the SS does, as the SS was designed to go faster and handle better than the regular TBs.

Also, on bone-stock performance, I will give the Jeep the win here. But, throw in the $400 Vector tune and as people here will show you, the SRT-8 cant keep up after 100+. To me, that seals the deal. A fully loaded TB SS LT AWD is about ~43K. The Jeep is, what, 50+K? That $400 tune is looking mighty good right about now, plus the LS2 is already getting maggied and turboed as we speak, where the Hemi 6.1L doesnt even have the ECM codes cracked yet.

No offense, but I think this argument will be best settled on the track and/or dyno #s, and I would do it but right now I dont have the cash for either. I like the SRT-8 agressive stance, but that is about all it offers me now, besides the Hemi, which I already have in my real Hemi 1952 Chrysler Saratoga Coupe.

[Envoy Fan]

Red is fastest - no doubt.

You jealous MthrFckrs. Give credit where credit is due. I agree that the TBSS is tough looking, but so is the Jeep. However the ultimate performer (by FAR) is the Jeep in every way.

Dude, go get yourself a Jeep. I'm sure they have a forum for you. :raspberry

[ScarabEpic22]

Dude, go get yourself a Jeep. I'm sure they have a forum for you. :raspberry
Thanks Bill, forgot to mention that one.:laugh:

[ghoster]

Dude, go get yourself a Jeep. I'm sure they have a forum for you. :raspberry


Now thats funny.:laugh: :laugh: :rotfl: :laugh: :laugh:

[oh20]

...Also, on bone-stock performance, I will give the Jeep the win here. But, throw in the $400 Vector tune and as people here will show you, the SRT-8 cant keep up after 100+. To me, that seals the deal. A fully loaded TB SS LT AWD is about ~43K. The Jeep is, what, 50+K?
Once some more performance numbers are in from owners, magazines, etc. we'll have to see how the upper speeds pan out. I haven't seen top speed numbers for the SS, but the Jeep SRT8 will max out at over 155 mph, and an amazing 170 mph with the limiter removed...

I have shopped prices and have been quoted just under $43k from my local dealer for a fully loaded Jeep SRT8 (sans rear video system). I know loaded SS models are going for quite a few thousand less, but there are reasons for that, one being that demand must be very low otherwise they wouldn't be trying to (or having to) give them away. That, based on the unlimited quantities that Chevy is going to produce is going to mean a pretty big hit for resale numbers. That will certainly negate some of the initial cost difference between the SS vs the SRT8.

[TrailblazerSS]

Once and for all SILVER is the fastest. See my signature? That's definitive. :rotfl:

My loaded SS was $10K less than the price you have been quoted oh. I spent $400 on the tune and I am ahead of the published numbers of the SRT-8.

Most dealers report that their SS's are staying on the lots for 2 days or less. That tells me the demand is there. Chevrolet is quite often the price/value leader, as they are in this case.

I have owned DC products on two occasions. Both vehicles were laden with miserable problems. I will not be back.

[ttdolson]

Red is fastest - no doubt.

You jealous MthrFckrs. Give credit where credit is due. I agree that the TBSS is tough looking, but so is the Jeep. However the ultimate performer (by FAR) is the Jeep in every way. And there is no way the TBSS can compete performace wise. Hence the $8k - $10k difference in price.

The interior of both is "cheap" compared to - say - the RRS S/C or the Cayanne, but all in all they're both adacuate. The TBSS wins in interior space, towing capability, and customizing (interior material and color, and option selections).

It also has an edge in performance upgrades available. But even with the upgrades, without a new suspension the truck would lose control trying to keep up with the Jeep. And a new suspansion is upwards of $8k on top of the engine mods.

The wheels on the Jeep are PHAT in every sense of the word. Expensive? Yes! But I hope a TBSS never tries to dual a Jeep. It's like a Mustang vs a Vette. NOT a fair challenge



I sure hope that you live in the Detroit area...Because I'd love to bust your ass in a street race....
I'll put five cars on you before you now what happened.
I'll even race you when you get a tune...(Oh yea, that's right you can't get one) Hahahahahahaha

Good luck with your useless overpriced sport utility. And by the way.."WELCOME" to our forum and have a nice day.

[Blulytes]

First of all lets see who we are dealing with here...

oh20: quoted on several different mopar related sites as a Corporate Dodge Employee... hmmm....

[BLUBYU]

What ET's do the SRT8 run?

[Red SS]

http://i16.ebayimg.com/03/i/05/e7/b0/47_3.JPG

what the hell?

[BLUBYU]

Dam the guys on the srt forum aren't very nice:D

Hate SS owners for sure.

One guy beat a tan SS? I told him he may have raced a reg TB and he should be happy:duh: Anyway I went on telling him that they don't make a tan SS but he should still feel good:dielaugh:

[jimmyjam]

Ack we're being attacked by trolls!

don't you guys have anything better to do? If youve got something to prove then take it to the street.

[ttdolson]

http://i16.ebayimg.com/03/i/05/e7/b0/47_3.JPG

what the hell?

See what I was saying about the wheel / tire combo? It looks like Poo.:weird:

It looks like someone from DCX went to the Swapmeet and found a set of 86' IROC wheels for sale ......CHEAP!!!!!:rotfl:

[Dacomputernerd]

like blulites said... He works for dodge!:undecided

[Blulytes]

Its actually pretty funny... if you do some snooping... there guys are talking about how great their truck is... Not one person has put times to it yet... They claim to blow away stock tb's... yipee!!!

they quote us alot though!!!

[Red SS]

Its actually pretty funny... if you do some snooping... there guys are talking about how great their truck is... Not one person has put times to it yet... They claim to blow away stock tb's... yipee!!!

they quote us alot though!!!

A 420hp SRT blew away a stock 291hp Trailblazer? PROOF THE SRT-8 IS BETTER THAN THE SS!

[oh20]

First of all lets see who we are dealing with here...

oh20: quoted on several different mopar related sites as a Corporate Dodge Employee... hmmm....
I am not employed by ANY car manufacturer company, never have been. Can you provide links to the "several different mopar related sites" that you supposedly found this false information?



What ET's do the SRT8 run?
These are the manufacturer quoted times and DC has always been conservative in their estimates. Many owners have exceeded these numbers at the track with totally stock vehicles. Several magazine tests for the Grand Cherokee have put it at 4.7-4.8 for 0-60 and mid-13's for the quarter:

Magnum SRT-8: 0-60 in 5.1 seconds, 1/4 mile in 13.1 @ 108.2 mph
Chrysler 300C SRT-8: 0-60 in 4.9 seconds, 1/4 mile in 13.2 @ 108.0 mph
Dodge Charger SRT-8: 0-60 in 5.0 seconds, 1/4 mile in 13.5 @ 106.3 mph
Grand Cherokee SRT8: 0-60 in "under 5.0" seconds (wet or dry!!), 1/4 mile "under 14 seconds"



First off any SRT8 is pulling 3-6k over sticker in my area . Second automobile mag posted 0-60 4.7 and 14.0 @ 105 . seems about equal...
Can you point me to any legitimate report or review where a SS has come anywhere near 0-60 times of under 5 seconds?

This thread is about the Grand Cherokee SRT8 and the SS, hardly seems fair to compare "prices" on totally different vehicles. Besides, what a dealer "asks" and what they actually get can vary widely. While some SRT8 owners have paid well over sticker their are hundreds of SRT8 owners who have made deals at sticker or even slightly below. On the other side of the coin I'm sure there are a few SS buyers who have been suckered by greedy dealers into paying over MSRP, one way or another.



...I spent $400 on the tune and I am ahead of the published numbers of the SRT-8.

Most dealers report that their SS's are staying on the lots for 2 days or less. That tells me the demand is there. Chevrolet is quite often the price/value leader, as they are in this case.

I have owned DC products on two occasions. Both vehicles were laden with miserable problems. I will not be back.
I would be curious as to what "$400 tune" you performed that would bring your SS to anywhere near the numbers of any SRT8 model.

If it were true that SS models were only staying on the lots for "two days" there is no way they would be "giving them away". Of course the scenerio for the SS is different since GM will crank out as many as they can, the ones that sell are being quickly replaced by new models arriving weekly.

As far as "reliability" you might want to look at some of the reports on the Trailblazers, which have had far more than their share of issues and problems (not to mention very poor crash test results). I have owned Fords, Chevys and Chrysler products and have had good luck with all of them. ALL manufacturers have issues and all have models with varying degrees of reliability. The overall reliability of GM products is nothing to write home about.

[Red SS]

http://forums.trailvoy.com/forumdisplay.php?f=63

That $400 tune, read up on it.

[Dacomputernerd]

I am not employed by ANY car manufacturer company, never have been. Can you provide links to the "several different mopar related sites" that you supposedly found this false information?




These are the manufacturer quoted times and DC has always been conservative in their estimates. Many owners have exceeded these numbers at the track with totally stock vehicles. Several magazine tests for the Grand Cherokee have put it at 4.7-4.8 for 0-60 and mid-13's for the quarter:

Magnum SRT-8: 0-60 in 5.1 seconds, 1/4 mile in 13.1 @ 108.2 mph
Chrysler 300C SRT-8: 0-60 in 4.9 seconds, 1/4 mile in 13.2 @ 108.0 mph
Dodge Charger SRT-8: 0-60 in 5.0 seconds, 1/4 mile in 13.5 @ 106.3 mph
Grand Cherokee SRT8: 0-60 in "under 5.0" seconds (wet or dry!!), 1/4 mile "under 14 seconds"




Can you point me to any legitimate report or review where a SS has come anywhere near 0-60 times of under 5 seconds?

This thread is about the Grand Cherokee SRT8 and the SS, hardly seems fair to compare "prices" on totally different vehicles. Besides, what a dealer "asks" and what they actually get can vary widely. While some SRT8 owners have paid well over sticker their are hundreds of SRT8 owners who have made deals at sticker or even slightly below. On the other side of the coin I'm sure there are a few SS buyers who have been suckered by greedy dealers into paying over MSRP, one way or another.




I would be curious as to what "$400 tune" you performed that would bring your SS to anywhere near the numbers of any SRT8 model.

If it were true that SS models were only staying on the lots for "two days" there is no way they would be "giving them away". Of course the scenerio for the SS is different since GM will crank out as many as they can, the ones that sell are being quickly replaced by new models arriving weekly.

As far as "reliability" you might want to look at some of the reports on the Trailblazers, which have had far more than their share of issues and problems (not to mention very poor crash test results). I have owned Fords, Chevys and Chrysler products and have had good luck with all of them. ALL manufacturers have issues and all have models with varying degrees of reliability. The overall reliability of GM products is nothing to write home about.


Why are you on a Pro Chevy/Trailblazer fourm bashing when you obviously aren't in support of either? Why dont you go to a forum that is pro dodge, instead of one that is somewhat against.

The only real way to settle this dispute is at the track, and until a GC SRT-8 races a TBSS and a TBSS with the vector tune, this is all just talk.


And then acting like a child and saying somthing like "not to mention very poor crash test results" is completely out of line and is just a downright insult. I realize that you are intitled to your opinion, but please voice it somewhere that will have people with similar views as you

[Red SS]

This calculator
http://www.wallaceracing.com/0-60_equation.php

and this run
http://forums.trailvoy.com/showthread.php?t=3975

produce numbers of 4.63 seconds for 0-60.

edit: even his slowest run comes up as 4.9 seconds

[Dacomputernerd]

*comment revoked*

[Red SS]

oh, those numbers are a complete estimate, so don't take them as fact. But I don't think they can be THAT far off

[TrailblazerSS]

Can you point me to any legitimate report or review where a SS has come anywhere near 0-60 times of under 5 seconds?

I would be curious as to what "$400 tune" you performed that would bring your SS to anywhere near the numbers of any SRT8 model.

If it were true that SS models were only staying on the lots for "two days" there is no way they would be "giving them away". Of course the scenerio for the SS is different since GM will crank out as many as they can, the ones that sell are being quickly replaced by new models arriving weekly.

As far as "reliability" you might want to look at some of the reports on the Trailblazers, which have had far more than their share of issues and problems (not to mention very poor crash test results). I have owned Fords, Chevys and Chrysler products and have had good luck with all of them. ALL manufacturers have issues and all have models with varying degrees of reliability. The overall reliability of GM products is nothing to write home about.

Here is a document for a track run in my Trailblazer SS:
http://tinypic.com/k9hlqg.jpg
I have many witnesses that saw that run. There are several 0-60 estimators on line. They are in good agreement that the 0-60 on that run is estimated to be 4.6 seconds. Before the tune the Trailblazer ran 13.98 @ 97.5 with a calculated 0-60 of 5.0 seconds. It is not advertised to be equal to the SRT-8 stock for stock. But I have not seen documentation that the SRT-8's claims have been backed up.

That puts me ahead of the GC SRT-8 and even with the Charger SRT-8. There was a 300C at the track Friday night. When I showed him that slip and asked for a side by side lineup, he wasn't interested. His best slip was 13.5 too. :D

As for your comment about Chevrolet marketing, you just don't know, you are speculating. Yes there is "a way". My experience with GM versus DC products have shown GM to be superior.

[superbadd75]

stupid freaking trolls, get a life! why is it necessary to come onto our site that is dedicated to TrailBlazers and Envoys and proceed to beat us over the head with your pro-Chrysler crap? everyone here knows that Cheep Grand Crapokees are garbage, and no matter how much power you put under the hood or how big the wheels are it's still a piece of trash. i will say that i've always thought the GC was a good looking vehicle, and the "in the weeds" stance of the SRT8 is no different IMO, but there is no way i'd ever buy any GC because they aren't built worth a damn. i'd love nothing more than to see you (or anyone else) put an SRT8 up against a TBSS and as you both drop the hammer just watch the Jeep parts fly. i would put good money on the fact that your average SRT8 will spend more time in the shop over its lifetime than your average TBSS. sure, the GC may be fast, but the TBSS is too, and i'd take reliability in exchange for a second on the 1/4 mile any time. tell you what, i don't have an SS, but bring your regular I6 GC down here and let me whip your arse with my I6 TrailBlazer.

[Blulytes]

A quote...
From “oh20:” “Late next summer the last 2006 Viper will roll off the lines. When the employees return to work the following January, a little over 14 months from now, they will be building the new generation "ZC" 2008 models. The 2007 model year is going to be skipped.”

Another... (engine Recall)
SUBJECT: Rapid Response Transmittal Service Action #05-008 REV. A
...
SOURCE: Oh20 (Corporate employee)

Yet again...
The new cars will, according to an exclusive Allpar Source, ... oh20 Wrote that The Caliber will be released with these features and options: ...

oops... another?
Dodge Dakota and Dodge Durango / Chrysler Aspen "oh20" wrote: "The Durango Hemi will get MDS for the 2006 model year. A Remote Start feature will be available. The Durango will also offer a power liftgate for the first time. Optional 18-inch wheels with P265/60R18 tires are being considered. As in 2005, the 2006 Limited models will have a black/chrome grille with body-colored fascias."

:sleepy: if i'm wrong... then I'll admit it... but it looks like you are quite the quotable person from everything that I can find online about you.

[Dacomputernerd]

A quote...
From “oh20:” “Late next summer the last 2006 Viper will roll off the lines. When the employees return to work the following January, a little over 14 months from now, they will be building the new generation "ZC" 2008 models. The 2007 model year is going to be skipped.”

Another... (engine Recall)
SUBJECT: Rapid Response Transmittal Service Action #05-008 REV. A
...
SOURCE: Oh20 (Corporate employee)

Yet again...
The new cars will, according to an exclusive Allpar Source, ... oh20 Wrote that The Caliber will be released with these features and options: ...

oops... another?
Dodge Dakota and Dodge Durango / Chrysler Aspen "oh20" wrote: "The Durango Hemi will get MDS for the 2006 model year. A Remote Start feature will be available. The Durango will also offer a power liftgate for the first time. Optional 18-inch wheels with P265/60R18 tires are being considered. As in 2005, the 2006 Limited models will have a black/chrome grille with body-colored fascias."

:sleepy: if i'm wrong... then I'll admit it... but it looks like you are quite the quotable person from everything that I can find online about you.

HAHA :iagree: :thumbsup:

[Blulytes]

I'm going home... so you have about 35 minutes to get your witty response in... Good Night.

[oh20]

Why are you on a Pro Chevy/Trailblazer fourm bashing when you obviously arnt in support of eather? Why dont you go to a fourm that is pro dodge, instead of one that is somewhat against.

The only real way to settle this disbute is at the track, and untill a GC SRT-8 races a TBSS and a TBSS with the vector tune, this is all just talk.

And then acting like a child and saying somthing like "not to mention very poor crash test results" is completely out of line and is just a downright insult. I realize that you are intitled to your opinion, but please voice it somewhere that will have people with similar views as you
I did not come on here to "bash" the Trailblazer or any other Chev vehicle, and so far have not done so. I am only here to compare and discuss the differences between the TB SS and the Grand Cherokee. As I mentioned I have owned and been very pleased with many GM vehicles over the years, including a Trailblazer a few years back (my very first brand new car was a 1972 Monte Carlo). As far as the crash test results that was in response to the comment about supposedly how "unreliable" Chrysler vehicles are, my point being that GM products are no better.

[superbadd75]

As far as the crash test results that was in response to the comment about supposedly how "unreliable" Chrysler vehicles are, my point being that GM products are no better.uh, how do crash test results determine reliability for ANY vehicle? reliability tells me that when i turn my key, that engine's going to start and i'm going to drive that car to work with no issues today. Chrysler doesn't exactly have that going for them. GM does. go have a look at JD Power ratings, GM's tend to be pretty damn reliable.


edit:actually i just checked JD Power myself and last year's reliability ratings put the TB on top of the Jeep. what a surprise! (uhh, read that last part with lots of sarcasm.)

[Silver_06]

IAs far as "reliability" you might want to look at some of the reports on the Trailblazers, which have had far more than their share of issues and problems (not to mention very poor crash test results). I have owned Fords, Chevys and Chrysler products and have had good luck with all of them. ALL manufacturers have issues and all have models with varying degrees of reliability. The overall reliability of GM products is nothing to write home about.


Trailblazer
http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=140
In summary for 2005+:
"Structural, seat belt, and frontal airbag changes were made beginning with 2005 models to improve occupant protection in frontal crashes. Therefore, the frontal offset ratings for 2002-04 models do not carry over to 2005 and later models."

Government (which I take worth a grain of salt)
http://www.safercar.gov/


The 2002-2004 TB's received the exact same Marginal rating as the last generation of Grand Cherokee. The new Grand Cherokee appears to have no results thus far.

Jeep
http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=121
Couldn't find gov't info on Grand Cherokee.

So your "very poor" crash results statement for the TB is totally unfounded. I highly recommend researching before making erronous claims next time.

[oh20]

NHTSA Crash Tests

2005 SUV Chevrolet Trailblazer

Front Rating, Driver: THREE Stars

Front Rating, Passenger: FOUR Stars


2005 SUV Grand Cherokee

Front Rating, Driver: FIVE Stars

Front Rating, Passenger: FIVE Stars


As you can see the Grand Cherokee received the HIGHEST rating possible. The TB did very poorly for the driver rating.

[Silver_06]

Oy you are reaching. So government testing is the end all of automotive crash evaluation? Tell me how three stars equals very poor? That's middle of the road on the gov't scale. What's 1 and 2 stars then? The Insurance Institute still conducts better tests.

Further the Trailblazer was only one star behind in passenger frontal impact and matched the Grand Cherokee star for star in every other category. So did the TB perform as well as the Jeep in gov't testing: nope. Did it do "very poor": nope. Like I said, your very poor statement about crash testing is unfounded.

[NVR2FST]

I'm not sure I see the point in all of this...some people like Daimler, some like GM and some like Ford etc. Everyone picks a vehicle to fit their needs. I needed something that was a GM (new job), good performance, towing ability and realiable (I felt the LS based engines performance is proven and GM has always had solid autos). Therefore I went with the SS (the first GM I've ever owned). I used to be a supplier for Chrysler and never felt their powertrain quality was very good and never trusted it...maybe they've changed a lot in five years. To each his own...one thing I don't plan on doing is losing to an SRT-8:thumbsup:

[oh20]

...if i'm wrong... then I'll admit it... but it looks like you are quite the quotable person from everything that I can find online about you
You are VERY wrong. The "Corporate employee" tagline was NOT part of any post that I made, that was from one of my posts that someone copied to another forum and then wrongfully "assumed" I was an employee based on the info I was giving. Trust me, IF I were a corporate employee I would have been canned a long time ago for some of the upcoming product info I have posted over the years.

[oh20]

Oy you are reaching. So government testing is the end all of automotive crash evaluation? Tell me how three stars equals very poor? That's middle of the road on the gov't scale. What's 1 and 2 stars then? The Insurance Institute still conducts better tests.

Further the Trailblazer was only one star behind in passenger frontal impact and matched the Grand Cherokee star for star in every other category. So did the TB perform as well as the Jeep in gov't testing: nope. Did it do "very poor": nope. Like I said, your very poor statement about crash testing is unfounded.
Yes, ONE star behind for the passenger but you conveniently failed to note TWO stars behind for the driver, which is significant - up to 3.5x the chance of serious injury for the TB driver.

[Blulytes]

You are VERY wrong. The "Corporate employee" tagline was NOT part of any post that I made, that was from one of my posts that someone copied to another forum and then wrongfully "assumed" I was an employee based on the info I was giving. Trust me, IF I were a corporate employee I would have been canned a long time ago for some of the upcoming product info I have posted over the years.

OK... If its not so... my apologies...
well as long as everyone plays nice and respects each other, I have no problem... (hell my first truck was a GC!) I've just seen the light! :rotfl:

[Braves299]

I am a GM fan above all (Although I like Chrysler as well), but their interiors are pretty lacking. They cut wayyy too many corners and use very cheap materials. I have yet to see an SS or SRT-8 in person, but I would most likely take a chance on the Jeep being a little higher quality. That's just an assumption though.

[oh20]

I am a GM fan above all (Although I like Chrysler as well), but their interiors are pretty lacking. They cut wayyy too many corners and use very cheap materials. I have yet to see an SS or SRT-8 in person, but I would most likely take a chance on the Jeep being a little higher quality. That's just an assumption though.
Unfortunately, "lower quality materials" is a sign of the times, every single manufacturer out there is cutting corners, from GM to Chrysler to Toyota. This became most noticeable starting with 2005 models. Now I can fully understand this happening with low-priced models and perhaps with "base" models up the line, but when paying $30-$50 for an automobile one should expect and receive better quality than what we are getting.

I think that some manufacturers have taken this a bit too far and have now realized that buyers are not happy. I know that Chrysler currently has plans in the works to upgrade some of the interior components on 2008 models and hopefully other manufacturers have this in their plans as well.

I recently saw the new Buick Enclave concept and must say it is one of the nicest interiors (luxury-wise) that I have seen in a vehicle in along time. GM did an outstanding job on this. Being a concept I'm sure it will "lose" some of that quality when the beancounters get a hold of it before it makes production, but if not the Enclave is going to do very well if priced right (for pics see: http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/naias_2006/0602_buick_enclave/

[BLK06TBSS]

Lol yeah I have a fully loaded SS and I payed a little under 33.

AND IM GOING TO GET THE TUNE.

AND THEN THE TRUCK WILL HAVE COSTED 33,400.

And hmmmm.... ive seen some 13.5s with the tune.....

What does the SRT8 run again?

- Mark

And I have the comfort of knowing I do not own a dodge/Jeep/Chrysler with Sh**ty build quality and customer service.

[BLK06TBSS]

And since when did the Magnum SRT-8 almost break into the 12s stock......

Never.


"Performance numbers for the all-new 2006 Dodge Magnum SRT8 include a 0-60 mph time in the low five-second range and 60-0 mph braking in approximately 110 feet. Capable of covering a quarter-mile in the high 13-second range"


Cant ever.... ever..... ever.... ever TRUST SOMEONE WHO MAKES UP STATISTICS TO VALIDATE A STUPID CLAIM!!!!!!!!!


- Mark
:raspberry

[oh20]

...What does the SRT8 run again?

Grand Cherokee SRT8 / MotorTrend (stock)
0-60: 4.8 sec
1/4 mile: 13.5 @ 101.6 mph

300C SRT8 (stock)
0-60: 4.527 sec
1/4 mile: 12.959 @ 109.25

Trailblazer SS / MotorTrend (stock, est.)
0-60: 5.8 sec
1/4 mile: 14.0 @ 100.0 mph

Trailblazer SS / Edmunds (stock)
0-60: 6.3 sec
1/4 mile: 14.35 @ 96.33 mph

[TrailblazerSS]

Grand Cherokee SRT8 / MotorTrend (stock)
0-60: 4.8 sec
1/4 mile: 13.5 @ 101.6 mph

300C SRT8 (stock)
0-60: 4.527 sec
1/4 mile: 12.959 @ 109.25

Trailblazer SS / MotorTrend (stock, est.)
0-60: 5.8 sec
1/4 mile: 14.0 @ 100.0 mph

Trailblazer SS / Edmunds (stock)
0-60: 6.3 sec
1/4 mile: 14.35 @ 96.33 mph

Three pages ago I posted real documented results for my Trailblazer SS. Haven't seen you respond to them. :undecided Seems you'll respond to all the comments but not to documented facts.

MotorTrend's estimate is right on for the TB SS based on my stock run of 13.98 @97.5. Edmunds is high. If the GC estimate by MotorTrend is just as accurate, then after the tune I am dead even with the GC running 13.51@100.5 in my tuned TB SS. Curious why your quote does not have a source for the 300c.:o

The guy in the 300C had traction problems. Although his best time was 13.5, his 60 ft. and MPH were higher. Telling me the car has potential to go faster, but traction is part of the game, if you can't put it to the ground what good is the power? Put sticky tires on it (not stock anymore) and maybe it has a high 12.

I have been on the track producing and witnessing results. You on the other hand are speculating and bench racing based on 2nd and 3rd hand knowledge and guesstimates. It's getting pretty :sleepy: boring.

[BLK06TBSS]

Ok I got the Srt8 300c at 13.2 best (motor trend)

Got one magnum at 13.1 but most are around 13.5-14.0

I mean look.... all the magazine starts state how they launched the car and the conditions.

The fact is if you took a Race car to high altitudes with high temp and a poor surface..... It wouldnt run impressive # either.

NO ONE HERE IS SAYING THE STOCK SS IS FASTER THAN THE GC SRT8.......

We are saying

1. We prefer Chevy to Dodge
2. We think the SS is better looking
3. With the same amount of money spent the SS will be faster
4. You need to stop Forum crapping
5. The SS will always be a better deal and more Bang per Buck
6. You pay over list for most SRT models (at least here in Houston)
7. We hate you as much as you hate us

Thanks

- Mark

[BLK06TBSS]

Grand Cherokee SRT8 / MotorTrend (stock)
0-60: 4.8 sec
1/4 mile: 13.5 @ 101.6 mph

300C SRT8 (stock)
0-60: 4.527 sec
1/4 mile: 12.959 @ 109.25

Trailblazer SS / MotorTrend (stock, est.)
0-60: 5.8 sec
1/4 mile: 14.0 @ 100.0 mph

Trailblazer SS / Edmunds (stock)
0-60: 6.3 sec
1/4 mile: 14.35 @ 96.33 mph


AND HEY..... ITS CALLED SARCASM..... the tuned trucks have real track results with real drivers and real time slips 13.5 so

"what does the SRT8 run again" i ALREADY KNOW IT RUNS 13.5 !!!!

So the point was that for just the price of the tune.... 400bucks....

I run side by side and still spend at minimum 6k less. In addition if I have about the same options as my GC competitor.... I spent 10k less.

- Mark

[bmm354]

We are saying

1. We prefer Chevy to Dodge
2. We think the SS is better looking
3. With the same amount of money spent the SS will be faster
4. You need to stop Forum crapping
5. The SS will always be a better deal and more Bang per Buck
6. You pay over list for most SRT models (at least here in Houston)
7. We hate you as much as you hate us

Thanks

- Mark

And don't forget the SS will tow more than the Dodge, no special hitch or heat-resistant gloves required!

[thaar]

Grand Cherokee SRT8 / MotorTrend (stock)
0-60: 4.8 sec
1/4 mile: 13.5 @ 101.6 mph

300C SRT8 (stock)
0-60: 4.527 sec
1/4 mile: 12.959 @ 109.25

Trailblazer SS / MotorTrend (stock, est.)
0-60: 5.8 sec
1/4 mile: 14.0 @ 100.0 mph

Trailblazer SS / Edmunds (stock)
0-60: 6.3 sec
1/4 mile: 14.35 @ 96.33 mph

Most of the time when magazines test, they allow a 12" roll, so those times from MotorTrend are slightly inflated for the SRT8.

Regardless, both trucks are fast. If you want to spend the extra money to get an SRT8, by all means do so. But don't come here spreading the idea that the SRT8 is superior when you don't have any hard data.

Bottom line, the vector tune for $400 thus far, has gotten great results. The LS2 engine is very versatile and will allow for many performance upgrades. So for $6-10k less, many would prefer the SS and dump the extra money saved into performance upgrades.

[SS TITANIC]

MOPAR=

M-MOVE
O-OVER
P-PEOPLE
A-ARE
R-RACING

END OF STORY, BEAT IT OR GET BEAT PUNK!:rotfl:

[SSportWagon]

I think the front fascia of the GC SRT-8 looks like a guppy trying to sneak a kiss on its first date :hissy: :rotfl:

[oh20]

MOPAR=

M-MOVE
O-OVER
P-PEOPLE
A-ARE
R-RACING

END OF STORY, BEAT IT OR GET BEAT PUNK!:rotfl:
SS=

S-Still
S-Slower

[BLK06TBSS]

Get off our forum and go buy a SRT8.

You probably dont own one anyways.

I OWN A SS.

[JLMXTRM]

Get off our forum and go buy a SRT8.

You probably dont own one anyways.

I OWN A SS.

:iagree: :thumbsup:

[jimmyjam]

Trolls are pathetic

get a life

[FattyTBEXT]

Trolls are pathetic

get a life

:iagree:

BTW, I'm back. :raspberry

[TrailblazerSS]

Get off our forum and go buy a SRT8.

You probably dont own one anyways.


And when you do come see me at the track. ;)

[BLK06TBSS]

AND BY THE WAY......

THE SS is "still slower"

only if it is "STILL STOCK"

I'm vector tuning soon.

When and If you ever do get a SRT8......

I hope I run into you on the street.

So you can cry when you "spend 45k and lose"

And if your GC does break..... I can hook it up to my hitch..... cuz my truck can actually tow.... and take you to a dealership.

- Mark

[JLMXTRM]

And if your GC does break..... I can hook it up to my hitch..... cuz my truck can actually tow.... and take you to a dealership.

- Mark

You forgot to add ... While laughing all the way there!!!

[mkaresh]

I beg to differ on the suspension, did you know it was tuned by GM at the Nurenburg track in Germany, where Audi and the like tune their cars? The Jeep might be slightly stiffer, but until you get above 130+mph, the SS will be right there with it. Heck, just throwing on my Hotchkis rear swaybar kit for $180 makes my TB handle just as well as my RX300, but still has a little of the comfort for longer road trips. If I need to pass on the hwy now, it is a simple wheel flick left or right and Im gone. I highly doubt my 02 TB handles as well as the SS does, as the SS was designed to go faster and handle better than the regular TBs.

I drove both back-to-back, and handling is no contest. The Jeep is way ahead in this area.

The "as well as my RX300" kinda kills your cred. The Lexus SUV rides well and has a fine interior, especially in 330 form, but handling has never been its strong suit, even with the "Performance" package.

[Envoy Fan]

I drove both back-to-back, and handling is no contest. The Jeep is way ahead in this area.



What are your judging credentials?

[ScarabEpic22]

Trolls are pathetic

get a life
Im with him.:iagree:
:iagree:

BTW, I'm back. :raspberry

Welcome back!


And, please, get off our forums if all you are going to do is bash our trucks. I realize the Jeep GC SRT-8 is faster stock, but with the tuning already to the SS TBs, there will soon be no contest when we get blowers and etc, while you still cant get a simple tune. Thank you, and goodbye.

[JLMXTRM]

I would also like to point out the Jeep has to advertise to sell the G/C SRT8.
Where as Chevy has yet to advertise the TBSS and they can bairly keep them on the lots.

[mkaresh]

What are your judging credentials?

I've driven just about everything that costs less than $100k and post my impressions at www.epinions.com/user-mkaresh (http://www.epinions.com/user-mkaresh). Often I get a review out before the magazines do, and nearly all of the time my evaluations mirror those of pros who've had a lot more seat time. Sometimes the pros do differ from my evaluation, but in most of these cases the second round review mirrors my own. (The mags can get a bit giddy when they first test a car, and save their criticisms for a later test. The C4 Corvette is the most notorious example of this.)

Most recent example: check out my reviews of the Pontiac G6 GTP and Malibu SS, then check out the ones in the most recent issue of C&D. I liked the Chevy quite a bit more than the Pontiac. Turns out they did as well, and for many of the same reasons. (I've been deeply disapointed by the Pontiac--at one point I thought I might buy one.)

In this case, I drove both over the same roads. The Jeep corners flatter and, harder to fix with mods, feels far more composed over rough patches that send shivers through the TB and make it bounce about and float a bit. The TB handles very well for an SUV, but the Jeep is at a whole other level. The tuning is almost European. I also suspect that unitized construction vs. b-o-f plays a role.

The TB does have one advantage in handling: its steering is firmer. The Jeep's steering was too light for my taste.

In the end the TB seems to have a few solid advantages:
More mods available
Fuel economy [for a 400HP truck]
Much lower price
Only pay for features you want

The Jeep leads in about every other area, most notably sophistication and refinement. A lot more thought went into it.

A good case could be made for either truck based on the prices they sell at. The Jeep has fewer shortcomings, but it's price fully reflects this.

[ScarabEpic22]

...The TB does have one advantage in handling: its steering is firmer...

Interesting to hear that, Ive personally always thought the TB (regular TB, not SS) steering was really "loose" and that I always applied too much pressure to it to make it do what I wanted.

Hmm, looks like Chevy finally fixed that, hopefully.

Maybe I might get lucky and test drive both to see how they compare, but if so it wouldnt be for a while.

[oh20]

...In the end the TB seems to have a few solid advantages:
More mods available
Fuel economy [for a 400HP truck]
Much lower price
Only pay for features you want

Mods:
I don't see "more mods" being available for the TB (if that is indeed true) being any sort of advantage between these vehicles. What type of mods are there that are available exclusively for the TB that would be desired, or more importantly, needed for the SRT8?

Fuel economy
I think that the majority of owners buying vehicles like the SS and SRT8's are not all that concerned with fuel economy. These vehicles are often driven hard (probably an understatement) and a few mpg difference is not going to sway buyers one way or another.

Much lower price
I'll agree with "lower" for the most part, but in some cases the differences may not be all that dramatic when comparing similarly equipped models. The GC has just been released and most built so far are still on their way to dealers. As with other SRT8 vehicles, savy buyers have bought them for under MSRP once supply has loosened up a bit. I believe that the SRT Jeep is going to hold its value better than the TB, negating a good chunk of the initial "savings".

Only pay for features you want
This is a good advantage for the TB, especially if one is special ordering. Finding one on the lot with just the right color and option combination could be difficult although I am sure most dealers are going to stock models that are heavily optioned. And once initial demand settles dealers will have plenty in stock being that Chev plans to build these in large quantities.


The TB SS is a nice vehicle, and like the Grand Cherokee it has things I like about it and things I don't like. What's nice is that we have a choice, it's great that the market and demand for factory performance vehicles has taken off like it has. Buy what you can afford, and just as important buy what you like and what you want.

[NOZR1]

When will this post die??? :weird:

[Envoy Fan]

I've driven just about everything that costs less than $100k....

:undecided Ahh, so this is just "your opinion" on "A" or "A" vs "B"

[superbadd75]

I've driven just about everything that costs less than $100k and post my impressions at www.epinions.com/user-mkaresh (http://www.epinions.com/user-mkaresh). Often I get a review out before the magazines do, and nearly all of the time my evaluations mirror those of pros who've had a lot more seat time. Sometimes the pros do differ from my evaluation, but in most of these cases the second round review mirrors my own. (The mags can get a bit giddy when they first test a car, and save their criticisms for a later test. The C4 Corvette is the most notorious example of this.)so you're an aspiring writer that can't get a magazine job and that fills your little heart with angst, right? good for you. go piss on someone else's party.

In this case, I drove both over the same roads. The Jeep corners flatter and, harder to fix with mods, feels far more composed over rough patches that send shivers through the TB and make it bounce about and float a bit. The TB handles very well for an SUV, but the Jeep is at a whole other level. The tuning is almost European. I also suspect that unitized construction vs. b-o-f plays a role.good for you, you've figured it out! the TBSS is a REAL TRUCK. a body on frame truck built for work and speed all at the same time, that's why it actually has a tow rating worth a damn. the Jeep is a unibody glorified car as far as i'm concerned. those things aren't even "Trail Rated" any more, Jeep Grand Cherokees are a joke. you know, some people buy trucks because they like trucks. if i wanted a station wagon i'd probably buy a Volvo.

In the end the TB seems to have a few solid advantages:
More mods available
Fuel economy [for a 400HP truck]
Much lower price
Only pay for features you want

The Jeep leads in about every other area, most notably sophistication and refinement. A lot more thought went into it.apparently you don't consider having a larger, friendlier dealer network an advantage. every time i've been to a Jeep dealership i've walked away disappointed. and i've been to several in the area. they all suck. Chevy dealerships are always much more accomodating, both on the sales and service sides.

A good case could be made for either truck based on the prices they sell at. The Jeep has fewer shortcomings, but it's price fully reflects this.i'd say the Jeep's build quality is a major shortcoming that negates its pretty little cabin and the little bit of extra power you get over the SS. give me the Chevy that i know won't be in the shop before it even reaches 10k. Jeeps aren't built worth a crap, and as a matter of fact we hate trading for them because we rarely get one we can retail. if it has over 45-50k on it, forget it, it goes straight to auction. Jeeps are garbage and that fact alone will forever keep me away. long live the SS, screw the SRTs.

[thaar]

Mods:
I don't see "more mods" being available for the TB (if that is indeed true) being any sort of advantage between these vehicles. What type of mods are there that are available exclusively for the TB that would be desired, or more importantly, needed for the SRT8?

You can't be serious. The LS2 has been out for a few years now and there are a ton of tried and tested mods out for it. The only thing that needs to be worked on is fitment issues for the TBSS. With the TBSS only being out for less than two months, it is only time that mods will become more readily available for it.

[NOZR1]

You can't be serious. The LS2 has been out for a few years now and there are a ton of tried and tested mods out for it. The only thing that needs to be worked on is fitment issues for the TBSS. With the TBSS only being out for less than two months, it is only time that mods will become more readily available for it.:iagree: You can get heads and cam as long as someone can tune it.

[SS TITANIC]

SS=

S-Still
S-SlowerStill slower? by what proof? a magazine article. bring any piece of **** mopar, (except the true older muscle cars), and i would be glad to line up the SS and then we will see in "real life which vehicle gets smoked! Go buy something and at least you will have first hand knowledge about what you think you know. Until then go pound sand and dream about your gay German owned chrysler, or jeep or whoever the name is now. "CHEAP GRAND PAROKEE":dielaugh:

[Braves299]

Can't this be a little more civilized? Some of the low blows are starting to sound pretty childish. Please don't get in on this argument if all you're going to succeed at is making the rest of the Trailblazer crowd look like asses.

Also, the Jeep Grand Cherokee is not a unibody. The last real unibody was the Cherokee.

[superbadd75]

Can't this be a little more civilized? Some of the low blows are starting to sound pretty childish. Please don't get in on this argument if all you're going to succeed at is making the rest of the Trailblazer crowd look like asses.

Also, the Jeep Grand Cherokee is not a unibody. The last real unibody was the Cherokee.are you sure you understand the difference between unibody and body on frame? the GC is unibody and has been unibody for as long as i can think of (its entire lifespan i think). body on frame is exactly what it sounds like, there is a frame that the body sits on top of and they are completely separate parts. you can lift the body off the frame and they would be 2 distinct pieces. unibody means that the frame is partially integrated into the body structure. you can usually unbolt the front and rear subframes as separate parts, but the main frame rails and other structural members are a part of the body structure that can't be removed (without lots of cutting and destroying the body). the Cherokee was body on frame, the GC is unibody.

[Braves299]

are you sure you understand the difference between unibody and body on frame? the GC is unibody and has been unibody for as long as i can think of (its entire lifespan i think). body on frame is exactly what it sounds like, there is a frame that the body sits on top of and they are completely separate parts. you can lift the body off the frame and they would be 2 distinct pieces. unibody means that the frame is partially integrated into the body structure. you can usually unbolt the front and rear subframes as separate parts, but the main frame rails and other structural members are a part of the body structure that can't be removed (without lots of cutting and destroying the body). the Cherokee was body on frame, the GC is unibody.

I'm sorry but I stand by the "Cherokee was the last unibody" statement. The Grand Cherokee is not a unibody. I understand how it works.

[superbadd75]

I'm sorry but I stand by the "Cherokee was the last unibody" statement. The Grand Cherokee is not a unibody. I understand how it works.i just had a 2004 GC Limited 4X4 on the rack yesterday and i saw for myself that it is a unibody. there are no bolts, no bushings, the frame is welded directly to the floorpans of the GC.

[TrailblazerSS]

An article discussing 2005 Grand Cherokee construction: http://www.theautochannel.com/ (http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2004/12/16/305471.html)

Quote:
The Jeep Grand Cherokee created quite a stir when it made its debut in 1992 for the 1993 model year. Rather than the body-on-frame construction that had been a staple of serious off-road vehicles since before the days of the original World War II Willys, the Grand Cherokee had a unibody structure, just like a car. And it could be outfitted in positively posh fashion. Old-time off-road enthusiasts were initially miffed, and figured that Jeep had sold out. But many more people looked at the Grand Cherokee, larger and more comfortable than the Cherokee, liked what they saw, and voted with their wallets. The Grand Cherokee was a success, and quickly became the class benchmark. To no one's surprise, it proved to be as capable off-road as it was comfortable on pavement. And, Jeep should feel flattered. Unibody SUVs are no longer a rarity. .

Grand Cherokee is a unibody.

[JLMXTRM]

Look what i found from our Buddy on this post

http://www.epinions.com/content_217486954116 :crazy:

At Least he Mentions us

But wait...dealers right now want AT LEAST MSRP for the Jeep, while the TrailBlazer can be bought at a large discount. Before the recent price cut, people at trailvoy.com (a forum for TrailBlazer and Envoy enthusiasts) report buying the SS for as much as $9,000 below MSRP. "

[oh20]

Look what i found from our Buddy on this post

http://www.epinions.com/content_217486954116 :crazy:

At Least he Mentions us
$9,000 BELOW MSRP on a TBSS??? No way, someone either cannot add or they are lying.

[terdrocket]

Sticker $41k. Out the door - $33k + change.

Pretty close...

[oh20]

Sticker $41k. Out the door - $33k + change.

Pretty close...
That's a great deal indeed. If sticker was 41k invoice should have been around 37k, what other incentives were there?

[JLMXTRM]

Mine Stickered at $44K and picked mine up for $34.5K (Althogh I am GMS:thumbsup: )

[TrailblazerSS]

Sticker was $42.5K
A great deal.
Less $2500 Rebate, Less $2500 GM Card cash, less $750 Hurricane Rebate
Plus TTL.
Final driveout price $34.5K :D

[TBSS]

$9,000 BELOW MSRP on a TBSS??? No way, someone either cannot add or they are lying.
:sleepy:

[BLK06TBSS]

That's a great deal indeed. If sticker was 41k invoice should have been around 37k, what other incentives were there?


Mine stickered for 41,9xx.

Bought it including gap coverage and lifetime winshield replacement

33,000.

Befort the gap the red tag price was around 32,000 even....

Thats almost 10k off.

[ttdolson]

I bought mine and it was 39k and some change. (LT version AWD)
GMS pricing
1000.00 down
1500.00 rebate
left the dealer at 29,000 out the door.

Almost 10k off of the price

[BIGBOS]

Mine was about 40K sticker....drove off at 36K

[Fishhunter911]

I am noticing a bit of harshness going on here, lets try to play nice and not make this a bashing game.

Thanks!

[SSportWagon]

I am noticing a bit of harshness going on here, lets try to play nice and not make this a bashing game.

Thanks!

...the only bashing of late is with the BIG BAG of extra $$$cash$$$$ Team TBSS is hitting Team GC-SRT8 over the head with :rotfl: :raspberry

Imagine the Mods 8-9K can buy :dielaugh:

[TBSSTony]

I am noticing a bit of harshness going on here, lets try to play nice and not make this a bashing game.

Thanks!

Let's just close the thread down. I keep coming back to this thread to read something interesting about the GC-SRT, but only find more crap. I think the GC-SRT is really cool. Not my cup-o-tea styling wise (inside and out - 'cept the seats, way nicer), but fast trucks are cool in general. I wish my TBSS was the fastest SUV on the road for more than 3 months, but oh well. Dollar-for-dollar it's the best bang out there and leaves a lot of $$ for tuning to make it the fastest again. Don't know why people are so brand-sensitive.

[SlvrTBSS]

I don't know what this whole thing is about... I just came from the auto show and got a real good look at the SRT-8. I was not impressed at all. I think it looked like crap personally. Thats just my opinion though... what do I know...

[Tommy]

...the only bashing of late is with the BIG BAG of extra $$$cash$$$$ Team TBSS is hitting Team GC-SRT8 over the head with :rotfl: :raspberry

Imagine the Mods 8-9K can buy :dielaugh:

:D

http://www.trailvoy.com/images/fp/score.jpg

[jimmyjam]

Imagine the Mods 8-9K can buy :dielaugh:
I'd like to see a stock SRT8 keep up with an SS with a blower under the hood

[oh20]

I'd like to see a stock SRT8 keep up with an SS with a blower under the hood
That's what the SS would need, at the least.

[ttdolson]

Like I said clown....Bring it on.
(As long as it's in Detroit wear street racing was invented)....

[nitrobusa]

Like I said clown....Bring it on.
(As long as it's in Detroit wear street racing was invented)....

Hes a punk....... Still no reply. Hes probably driving a KIA and just pissing everyone off in here anyway.:mad:

[TBSS]

With the way people are behaving, I am embarrassed to be a member here.

[SUVette06]

Hes a punk....... Still no reply. Hes probably driving a KIA and just pissing everyone off in here anyway.:mad:


:iagree:

[ScarabEpic22]

With the way people are behaving, I am embarrassed to be a member here.
Yea, Im starting to feel that way too.

C'mon guys, I hate Jeeps too, but we just need to ask them to not bash either truck.

[ttdolson]

UUmmmm...Yea..OK...Just like they did when they came to our board.

[TBSS]

Acting like a child just because you're dealing with children doesn't let you off the hook. If you really think you are better, then you should act better.

:m2:

[Blulytes]

Acting like a child just because you're dealing with children doesn't let you off the hook. If you really think you are better, then you should act better.

:m2:

Well Said...

[Fishhunter911]

:iagree: Acting like a child just because you're dealing with children doesn't let you off the hook. If you really think you are better, then you should act better.

:m2:

Lets keep it civil....

[ScarabEpic22]

:iagree:

Lets keep it civil....
Thats all Im trying to say, but that is the right way to say it fish.:yes: