SS paint chipping problem

[Greg]

I've noticed there has been some talk (http://forums.trailvoy.com/showthread.php?t=3551) about paint chipping behind the front wheels/ front of the rear wheels and along the rocker panels. GM has a service bulletin (#03-08-111-002D) out addressing this problem. It calls for the installation of a "protector kit" (part# 15783524) which retails for a price of $280.15. Has anyone on here had this installed yet? If so, what did the kit consist of ?

[OurZoo]

I have the same problem with my '04 Envoy XUV! :hissy:

[BIGBOS]

So it retails at 280, but since its a "problem" is it free?

[Greg]

I have the same problem with my '04 Envoy XUV! :hissy:

Your vehicle has the same service bullitin# but they(GM) uses a side step package part#12498007 to help correct the problem.

So it retails at 280, but since its a "problem" is it free?


If you have a decent service dept at your dealership they should take care of you:yes: If you dont, you might hear "Implementation of this Service Bulletin requires case-by-case review and approval by your Area Service Manager PRIOR to the performance of any repairs." :weird:

[OurZoo]

Thanks for the part #. I don't think I'll be putting those nasty things on my truck. Guess I'll have to touch it up on my own and/or deal with it. :duh:

[BIGBOS]

I haven't noticed anything yet, but my car is covered in dried salt and only has 400 miles on it.....so I need to keep an eye on this

[Silver_06]

I've pretty much quit driving my Trailblazer until this issue is resolved as I'm pretty fed up with the number of chips on the rockers and rear doors and there isn't even that much debris on the roads in my neck of the woods.

I've already pulled off the factory painted rocker panels and I'm going to be replacing them with the nonpainted black plastic ones. Then I'm putting mudflaps on behind the front wheels and getting some 3M paint protector custom cut for the bottoms of the front and rear doors.

So for the time being I'll be practicing my paint chip repair skills on the original rocker panels so I can the tackle the ones on the doors. Bleh.

[TonyGXP]

I've pretty much quit driving my Trailblazer until this issue is resolved as I'm pretty fed up with the number of chips on the rockers and rear doors and there isn't even that much debris on the roads in my neck of the woods.

I've already pulled off the factory painted rocker panels and I'm going to be replacing them with the nonpainted black plastic ones. Then I'm putting mudflaps on behind the front wheels and getting some 3M paint protector custom cut for the bottoms of the front and rear doors.

So for the time being I'll be practicing my paint chip repair skills on the original rocker panels so I can the tackle the ones on the doors. Bleh.

how did you make out??

I'm noticing this too, my service dept is "looking into it" and did not sound too enthusiastic about the TSB I gave them:duh: (one posted above) are there molded flaps for these?? and without any insignias etc.?

[BLK60SS]

Copy of the TSB:

Page 1 (http://www.alldata.com/tsb/General-Motors/1134547200000_1136793600000_03-08-111-002D/images/1110021.gif)

Page 2 (http://www.alldata.com/tsb/General-Motors/1134547200000_1136793600000_03-08-111-002D/images/1110022.gif)

Page 3 (http://www.alldata.com/tsb/General-Motors/1134547200000_1136793600000_03-08-111-002D/images/1110023.gif)

Page 4 (http://www.alldata.com/tsb/General-Motors/1134547200000_1136793600000_03-08-111-002D/images/1110024.gif)

[Silver_06]

how did you make out??

I'm noticing this too, my service dept is "looking into it" and did not sound too enthusiastic about the TSB I gave them:duh: (one posted above) are there molded flaps for these?? and without any insignias etc.?

So far so good...Linky (http://forums.trailvoy.com/showthread.php?t=4480&page=2). Plain black mudflaps on order from GM.

Pulling the painted rockers off was a pain in the butt. There are scuff panels on the front and rear door sills that just do not want to come out. GM could have used a more forgiving expanding metal clip to snap the parts into the body but didn't for whatever reason. I'll be using some double sticky tape when I reinstall the parts.

The black rockers list for $174 ea. if they have to be ordered from the dealer.

[Greg]

Called GM today to see what is in this protector kit. They said it had 5 items in it which consist protective film and adhesive.

how did you make out??

I'm noticing this too, my service dept is "looking into it" and did not sound too enthusiastic about the TSB I gave them:duh: (one posted above) are there molded flaps for these?? and without any insignias etc.?

Let me know if your service dept "slow walks you". I have a phone# that might speed things up:yes:

[TonyGXP]

Called GM today to see what is in this protector kit. They said it had 5 items in it which consist protective film and adhesion.



Let me know if your service dept "slow walks you". I have a phone# that might speed things up:yes:

thanks

[ghoster]

My service dept told me, in a very polite way, to "kiss there ass". So I am off to dealer number 2.

[GaryTucker]

Let me tell you how it goes when a "know-it-all" customer comes in with a TSB in hand...most technicians have experienced the hypochondriac car owner that lives and dies by TSBs. This customer's car will experience a TSB symptom even if the TSB isn't for his model/engine/transmission variant. Every technician has experienced this.

Now how to deal with it...Be straightforward about your desire to keep your SS in perfect shape. Ask to speak the manager and ask him to call the ASM for approval to be "proactive" about this one. Remind him that you bought this vehicle not as a beater...but as your pride and joy...do it nicely. You'll find some shops are better than others about looking into TSB information...those are the ones you want.

I've approached my dealer on both the foglights and the protective film...both times I've been told yes. We are still waiting for the foglight brackets...but the film will be done tomorrow...under warranty.

I waited until the tech that was working on my SS the first time told me that he saw a problem before I told him that I used to wrench for GM and that I now teach their tech program...I figured I would soft sell my opinions the first time around! It worked great and I now have a tech that I would trust my Chevys to. I've got a Pontiac tech that I'd trust with my life...not there on the Chevy...but I feel like it will be an easy trip.

My dad's first 1k Solstice was just entrusted to this Pontiac tech to lower, cat-back, and CAI for us...go read about the crazy Pontiac dealers on the Solstice forums...these guys are so desparate for a car to show off...that some have given test drives in a customer's vehicle! You're darn right you better be able to trust a dealer and a technician. I stopped by the Pontiac dealer last night to check on the girl and she was locked up tight in the shop instead of out back in the lot...gotta love dependable techs!!!

Take your time and find a shop you can trust. There are some dealerships...not stealerships...still out there. I'm not saying anyone posting on here has shoved the TSB down the service writer's throat...just pointing out that honey will get you more than vinegar at a good dealership.

Have a great one!!! I'm gonna go wash the black beauty again...lol.

[ghoster]

Let me tell you how it goes when a "know-it-all" customer comes in with a TSB in hand...most technicians have experienced the hypochondriac car owner that lives and dies by TSBs. This customer's car will experience a TSB symptom even if the TSB isn't for his model/engine/transmission variant. Every technician has experienced this.

Now how to deal with it...Be straightforward about your desire to keep your SS in perfect shape. Ask to speak the manager and ask him to call the ASM for approval to be "proactive" about this one. Remind him that you bought this vehicle not as a beater...but as your pride and joy...do it nicely. You'll find some shops are better than others about looking into TSB information...those are the ones you want.

I've approached my dealer on both the foglights and the protective film...both times I've been told yes. We are still waiting for the foglight brackets...but the film will be done tomorrow...under warranty.

Take your time and find a shop you can trust. There are some dealerships...not stealerships...still out there. I'm not saying anyone posting on here has shoved the TSB down the service writer's throat...just pointing out that honey will get you more than vinegar at a good dealership.

Have a great one!!! I'm gonna go wash the black beauty again...lol.

I didn't mention the TSB til after they said "well its not our fault rocks bounce up."

[blautens]

Thanks for the part #. I don't think I'll be putting those nasty things on my truck. Guess I'll have to touch it up on my own and/or deal with it. :duh:

Yikes..I agree.

[ghoster]

If they woould fix the damn paint I would PAY for the protective film and whatever guards I need to prevent it from happening again.

[GaryTucker]

I don't mean my post earlier to come across as saying "you did something wrong"...I was just trying to give some insight from the service side of things. Believe me, I feel GM should have done this right in the first place...the TSB has been out for awhile if I recall. There is no reason that a reputable dealer won't do this repair under warranty without any cost to you. All it requires is a call to their ASM to get their approval. I believe this constraint is to prevent dealers from buying up a bunch of discounted running boards...yes, when a part goes on a TSB, it is discounted...imagine that! I've seen it happen before...some dealer will figure out that the discounted boards are cheaper to order and install than ordering boards on the stock units...he or she will buy out the supply for a short time...and wreak havoc on all the other dealers that are trying to service customers' needs.

GM has to do restrictions in cases like this because of the screwy :weird: dealerships that will abuse the system. I think you'll find the dealerships that are reluctant to do this repair may have some issues already with their ASM and don't want to call them.

Hope this clears up my post earlier...

[steined]

Would a dealership that DIDN'T sell you the vehicle still be compensated if they perform the TSB? I am assuming that GM picks up the tab if the ASM approves it?

Eric

[Greg]

Would a dealership that DIDN'T sell you the vehicle still be compensated if they perform the TSB? I am assuming that GM picks up the tab if the ASM approves it?

Eric

Yes:yes:

[GaryTucker]

Your warranty is a GM warranty...not an xyz dealership warranty. We used to have a Ford dealer around here that would basically ignore you if you came in without one of their special service badges...you could only get the badge when you bought the car at the dealership. I wouldn't have bought a Ford from that dealer if my life depended on it.

Any dealer that sells your model GM product...Chevy must go to Chevy...Pontiac to Pontiac...etc...can work on your vehicle. The only exception to this rule is if your car is disabled (read trans, engine, axle, etc. failure) in front of another GM brand shop, they can work on it.

This restriction kills me at times...I drive 45 miles to a Chevy dealer I trust. My trusted Pontiac dealer is 7 miles down the road.

[TonyGXP]

Your warranty is a GM warranty...not an xyz dealership warranty. We used to have a Ford dealer around here that would basically ignore you if you came in without one of their special service badges...you could only get the badge when you bought the car at the dealership. I wouldn't have bought a Ford from that dealer if my life depended on it.

Any dealer that sells your model GM product...Chevy must go to Chevy...Pontiac to Pontiac...etc...can work on your vehicle. The only exception to this rule is if your car is disabled (read trans, engine, axle, etc. failure) in front of another GM brand shop, they can work on it.

This restriction kills me at times...I drive 45 miles to a Chevy dealer I trust. My trusted Pontiac dealer is 7 miles down the road.


I question that logic? My Pontiac dealer told me they will service my SS from now on and I'm bringing it there for oil changes as well, where did you see only "PONTIAC can work on Pontiac"?

when I worked at Chrysler (many years ago) before we bought a jeep franchise we worked on them and all Chrysler brands (Dodge/Eagle)..Same as Ford (Mercury/Lincoln)

[GaryTucker]

I'm interested to inquire on that...does your pontiac dealer have a chevy franchise somewhere maybe? I've personally been told by a General Motors Area Service Manager here in Oklahoma that this is in fact the way GM operates. My pontiac tech owns an Impala SS that had a recall come up on it...guess what? He had to take it to another dealership. This pontiac dealership is the one where I used to work and the tech is one of my best friends...so I know he isn't blowing smoke.

Anyone else experienced either situation? I'd be interested to find out that this is just a regional decision that might could be adjusted.

[TonyGXP]

I'm interested to inquire on that...does your pontiac dealer have a chevy franchise somewhere maybe? I've personally been told by a General Motors Area Service Manager here in Oklahoma that this is in fact the way GM operates. My pontiac tech owns an Impala SS that had a recall come up on it...guess what? He had to take it to another dealership. This pontiac dealership is the one where I used to work and the tech is one of my best friends...so I know he isn't blowing smoke.

Anyone else experienced either situation? I'd be interested to find out that this is just a regional decision that might could be adjusted.

sorry my bad, my dealer is willing to do it, but just said today GM is a pain in the ass about it..But my family has been buying from them since the 80's so they take care of us, any dealer can do it, but they (GM) frown upon it, as it takes revenue from the rightful Line (I semi-understand?)

and my relearn will be free!!!:D

[02redhawk]

Any dealer that sells your model GM product...Chevy must go to Chevy...Pontiac to Pontiac...etc...can work on your vehicle. The only exception to this rule is if your car is disabled (read trans, engine, axle, etc. failure) in front of another GM brand shop, they can work on it.


Heh. Tell that to the GMC dealer that refused to work on my Chevy Blazer when the tranny died on it less than 100 feet from their driveway (with my snowmobile trailer attached). They forced me to have it towed along with my trailer (not by them) to the Chevy dealer about 10 miles down the road. And yep, this was under warranty - only 16k on the odometer, less than 2 years into the new ownership. A$$holes.

[1BADSS]

I bought my SS at a PONTIAC dealer.

[GaryTucker]

I'll tell you this much...it is amazing that "us dummies" on the outside can see how sensible it would be for any GM product dealer to work on other GM products...why can't GM? :undecided If GM would make some changes such as this...think about how advantageous it would be. It is this type of thinking that has run GM into the pit that they are in. Hopefully the General wakes up before the "army" is defeated and sold off to people like Toyota.

[shawn0413]

i spoke to my service man where i bought my ss....he gave me a copy of the memo...and the cipping is from debris at highway speed comming off the tires and hitting the rocker panels....side and back...you have to contact your locally area rep...he will look at it...and if so authorize a repaint and application of the 3m protection film.....i had already looked into the 3m film...it has to be installed by a certified person...and it costs 520.00 for the kit from 3m....

[Silver_06]

i spoke to my service man where i bought my ss....he gave me a copy of the memo...and the cipping is from debris at highway speed comming off the tires and hitting the rocker panels....side and back...you have to contact your locally area rep...he will look at it...and if so authorize a repaint and application of the 3m protection film.....i had already looked into the 3m film...it has to be installed by a certified person...and it costs 520.00 for the kit from 3m....

A repaint...wow, that opens up a whole new can of worms. Is $520 the installed price as that seems pretty high for just a rocker kit from 3M. Several distributors are selling entire front end kits and fender kits for less than $150.

I'm just going to see if I can get reimbursed by GM for my work since this is an acknowledged problem as I know I can fix this better than they can. But if they tell me to buzz off oh well...I'll just write them a nasty letter and ding them in customer sastifaction surveys.

[TonyGXP]

I think I'm just going to put a set of mudflaps on the front and if the rockers get banged up, i'll fight it when that happens, as for the chips already on the truck, can only see them when go looking for them..This SUCKS!!

[steined]

I just talked to the Collision center manager at my local dealership. He seemed pretty reluctant to help at first, but in the end he had a work order created and will call the area service manager. I really am not sure if they'll perform the work or not. I'm crossing my fingers. Seems like a shame GM didn't get out in front with this one. Perhaps they will be installing the clear film at the factory from now on?

Too bad they don't have mud flaps that are molded and no logo for us SS owners.

I'll keep everyone posted.

Eric

[jbossert]

Called my Dealership and they got back to me within 2 hours with approval from the Regional Manager? I am taking it in on Tuesday to get the kit installed. Gotta love a good Dealership. :thumbsup:

[TonyGXP]

Called my Dealership and they got back to me within 2 hours with approval from the Regional Manager? I am taking it in on Tuesday to get the kit installed. Gotta love a good Dealership. :thumbsup:

just got a call from mine..wanted me to leave it for a week!!! I told them NO WAY..then they said they have to send it to their Body Shop?? This is going to kill me...I said listen, this isn't your ordinary TB..it's just crying to get beat on..and I am not comfortable letting an unknown number of "kids" drive (KILL,KILL,KILL) it...he assures me (like it helps much) that they flatbed it to the shop and they don't drive the vehicles at all..not to mention the dust/overspray/filth that will surround my new truck inside their shop (I was under the intial impression the dealer would install the gravel guard film, I have no problem leaving it with them, as I can easily find out who to beat on if my truck is abused!!:yes: )...he wants me to paint it, told him no thanks, just apply your "fix" so I'm covered when I turn this badboy in a few years..says he'll have it waxed up real nice for me, another "thankyou anyway" I apply my own, has anyone here ever had their vehicles at the body shop and been completely satisfied?? I know I haven't..let alone a dealer/bodyshop switch (just asking for trouble:duh: )

[Fishhunter911]

just got a call from mine..wanted me to leave it for a week!!! I told them NO WAY..then they said they have to send it to their Body Shop?? This is going to kill me...I said listen, this isn't your ordinary TB..it's just crying to get beat on..and I am not comfortable letting an unknown number of "kids" drive (KILL,KILL,KILL) it...he assures me (like it helps much) that they flatbed it to the shop and they don't drive the vehicles at all..not to mention the dust/overspray/filth that will surround my new truck inside their shop (I was under the intial impression the dealer would install the gravel guard film, I have no problem leaving it with them, as I can easily find out who to beat on if my truck is abused!!:yes: )...he wants me to paint it, told him no thanks, just apply your "fix" so I'm covered when I turn this badboy in a few years..says he'll have it waxed up real nice for me, another "thankyou anyway" I apply my own, has anyone here ever had their vehicles at the body shop and been completely satisfied?? I know I haven't..let alone a dealer/bodyshop switch (just asking for trouble:duh: )


At least yours is calling you back!!!! I have even gotten that after several calls and a visit

[TonyGXP]

I am actually on the fence about the application....I think I may tell them I'll keep an eye on the problem (Mudflaps seem to have stopped this cold, and keep the sides clean even after a light rain and drive!!) and if it gets any worse I'll bring it in..

I think I would of rathe rnot had them call back:undecided ..

[GaryTucker]

They kept it for over a week...I missed her! GM left out ONE door piece...and it took a week to get a new box sent out...this was discovered when the tech went to put on the last piece. Just show him you are writing down the mileage...tenths included...and ask him to allow you to deliver the truck to the body shop if it must go there. Good luck...you won't regret having the film on...I can barely see it on my black truck.

[TonyGXP]

They kept it for over a week...I missed her! GM left out ONE door piece...and it took a week to get a new box sent out...this was discovered when the tech went to put on the last piece. Just show him you are writing down the mileage...tenths included...and ask him to allow you to deliver the truck to the body shop if it must go there. Good luck...you won't regret having the film on...I can barely see it on my black truck.

I am pretty sure I will have to do this...and delivering it myself seems to make more sense than flatbedding it there:weird: , plus that's just one more greasy hand on my truck!!:crazy:

did you have chips repainted or just the film applied over it?

[steined]

At least yours is calling you back!!!! I have even gotten that after several calls and a visit

I finally got a call back today after nearly 2 weeks saying I found the bulletin you were talking about, got the part number and: "I just called the Area Service Manager so now we'll wait".

WTF...

I was really hoping this dealership would have better service as it is a REALLY nice place to wait on your car! Resturaunt, lounge, etc. Stuff you don't even find in a Lexus stealership.

[EnvoyXL]

I had an answer the nest day from the district service guy saying they will repaint and give me running boards. With my custom paint I dont want the boards, I want the protective kit so the bodyshop called the guy again about a week ago and I havent heard back yet. It mostly depends on how busy everybody is at the dealership, bodyshop, and the area service manager. It goes up the chain to get approval and then has to come back down the chain to let you know if you got approval. I am not too worried since it is getting painted no matter how long it takes to get an answer about the kit.

[Silver_06]

As much as I want to go through GM to get this done as this is definately a widespread problem, my desire to avoid the dealer carries more weight so I'll be doing this myself.

Would anyone be willing to send me the tear-away backing material so I can use them as templates for when I buy a sheet of the 3M stuff?

[Fishhunter911]

When I got home from being away for 2 days on workm there was a message from the dealer. They said they got the approval to repaint and install the 3m. I will call them in the morning as they WILL have to provide a loaner to me, no if, ands or butts about it.

[NORCAL SS]

GUYS im kinda lost here

is the tsb to put 3m clear protectant on the truck or mudflaps. if its mudflaps forget it.

i havent got my tbss in yet but id rather get this 3m film on before it leaves the dealers lots.

[Fishhunter911]

we re talking about the 3m the flaps are a protectant untill the covering

[NORCAL SS]

ok so when i pick up my truck or am about to pick it up what service bulliten do i tell them about so they can put the 3m on my truck. i just want to give the right info

[TonyGXP]

ok so when i pick up my truck or am about to pick it up what service bulliten do i tell them about so they can put the 3m on my truck. i just want to give the right info

I don't remember the # it's on the forum somewhere...I would ask the dealer to perform this TSB before it leaves the lot, if he refuses, tell him the deals off..Think that will help you, or just tell them you aren't going to be kind come survey time:o ..one of those 2 ideas should work..

And for the record, I have grown fond of my splashguards they are staying on there...seriously...it is still a truck:thumbsup: they keep the truck so Dam clean I can't bring myself to take them off now!!!

[EnvoyXL]

As much as I want to go through GM to get this done as this is definately a widespread problem, my desire to avoid the dealer carries more weight so I'll be doing this myself.

Would anyone be willing to send me the tear-away backing material so I can use them as templates for when I buy a sheet of the 3M stuff?

talk to the GM bodyshop that you CAN use, and tell them you want to perform this TSB and then tell them to order the kit for you and you will install it yourself. There is no need to pay for the materials yourself if you dont have to. Why not get a perfectly cut kit for free rather than spend your own money and still have to try to cut it straight. I doubt anybody will send you their backing since the GM bodyshop will install it for free. If you need paint and dont trust your GM shop like me then take it somewhere else, but make sure GM pays for it. When I got my custom paint done I had factory defects in my hood and rear bumper and the local body shop that was not the dealerships partner got paid directly from GM to do my work. You have to ask the area service rep if he will sublet the work to a local bodyshop of your choice. My GMC dealership only allows you to go to Collision Center or Abbra for warranty work since they have an agreement with them, but I have had work done at both and wasnt happy with them. So I went to Ricks Bodyshop which is in no way affiliated with GM or my dealership, but GM still paid for it. At the same time it was in the bodyshop, I removed the rear window from my GMC and took it to the local CHEVY dealer to have it replaced under warranty since the glass had defects in it. The local CHEVY dealer also ordered me a new from windshield for my GMC under warranty since it was distorted. My point here is if you dont trust your dealer or their bodyshop, you still have choices. You can take it anywhere you like to get work done as long as you ask the right people. It took me some time to get the approval because my GMC dealer didnt want to lose money so they told me I could only go to two places. So when I went to the CHEVY dealer and explained the situation he got the area rep on the phone and in just a few days I had approval to get my paint done by RICKS bodyshop. Now the only catch here is that warranty work doesnt pay nearly what the average custome would pay. So you will have to find a good reputable shop that will do the work for what the warranty will pay for. I wasnt even worried about my hood or bumper because I was painting the hood a different color and I had scratches on my bumper that needed painting so basicly GM paid for some of my custom paint job. It was my body man that told me GM had subcontracted out to other local body shops before and could do it if I requested and they thought I had good reason not to go with the GM bodyshops. SO my point it this...Dont pay for it yourself just so your local dealer doesnt touch your truck or so they dont get paid to do it, have somebody you trust do it, and let GM pay for it.

[Silver_06]

talk to the GM bodyshop that you CAN use, and tell them you want to perform this TSB and then tell them to order the kit for you and you will install it yourself. There is no need to pay for the materials yourself if you dont have to. Why not get a perfectly cut kit for free rather than spend your own money and still have to try to cut it straight. I doubt anybody will send you their backing since the GM bodyshop will install it for free. If you need paint and dont trust your GM shop like me then take it somewhere else, but make sure GM pays for it. When I got my custom paint done I had factory defects in my hood and rear bumper and the local body shop that was not the dealerships partner got paid directly from GM to do my work. You have to ask the area service rep if he will sublet the work to a local bodyshop of your choice. My GMC dealership only allows you to go to Collision Center or Abbra for warranty work since they have an agreement with them, but I have had work done at both and wasnt happy with them. So I went to Ricks Bodyshop which is in no way affiliated with GM or my dealership, but GM still paid for it. At the same time it was in the bodyshop, I removed the rear window from my GMC and took it to the local CHEVY dealer to have it replaced under warranty since the glass had defects in it. The local CHEVY dealer also ordered me a new from windshield for my GMC under warranty since it was distorted. My point here is if you dont trust your dealer or their bodyshop, you still have choices. You can take it anywhere you like to get work done as long as you ask the right people. It took me some time to get the approval because my GMC dealer didnt want to lose money so they told me I could only go to two places. So when I went to the CHEVY dealer and explained the situation he got the area rep on the phone and in just a few days I had approval to get my paint done by RICKS bodyshop. Now the only catch here is that warranty work doesnt pay nearly what the average custome would pay. So you will have to find a good reputable shop that will do the work for what the warranty will pay for. I wasnt even worried about my hood or bumper because I was painting the hood a different color and I had scratches on my bumper that needed painting so basicly GM paid for some of my custom paint job. It was my body man that told me GM had subcontracted out to other local body shops before and could do it if I requested and they thought I had good reason not to go with the GM bodyshops. SO my point it this...Dont pay for it yourself just so your local dealer doesnt touch your truck or so they dont get paid to do it, have somebody you trust do it, and let GM pay for it.

Wow, that is a very long post without much help for my request. Seems like you went through a lot of time and effort to get your work done, and that's time I don't have and effort I'll spend on doing the job right myself. I never said I needed paint so a couple of hunderd bucks to avoid the dealer and GM entirely is worth it to me for a 3M kit. So like I said, I'm avoiding the dealer on this one.

[maxgiben]

I have had my beautiful black TBSS for about three weeks now, so far not a sctatch or chip, :D but after reading all of the posts on this and other forums, I contacted my salesman regarding the TSB.

He in turn contatcted his service manager, who I think contacted the area service manager, the answer came back NO DICE,:mad: they would not install the 3M kit.

So, I printed several of the posts on this forum, along with the TSB, and took it to the dealership sales manager. It just so happens the sales manager's brother has a new TBSS up in Indiana. Anyway to make a long story short, he calls his brother, and guess what? He has a ton if chips on the rockers and fenders of his new TBSS.

The sales manager got my request pushed through, the kit will be installed next week, FREE. :) I have also purchased the mud flaps from Pep Boys, they look like they are made well, but I won't install them until the 3M kit is on.

If the route through your service department does not work, try the sales department. They want HAPPY customers! That's :m2: !!

[fredg369]

Copy of the TSB:

Page 1 (http://www.alldata.com/tsb/General-Motors/1134547200000_1136793600000_03-08-111-002D/images/1110021.gif)

Page 2 (http://www.alldata.com/tsb/General-Motors/1134547200000_1136793600000_03-08-111-002D/images/1110022.gif)

Page 3 (http://www.alldata.com/tsb/General-Motors/1134547200000_1136793600000_03-08-111-002D/images/1110023.gif)

Page 4 (http://www.alldata.com/tsb/General-Motors/1134547200000_1136793600000_03-08-111-002D/images/1110024.gif)


If you open the link to the tsb.Then in the address bar delete everything up to General-Motors it will pull up all of GMs TSB......Just thought some would like to know.Or try this link.

http://www.alldata.com/tsb/General-Motors/

After all this snow and rain goes away I'm gona check her out real good for any chips...then deal with the sevrice dept if need be.

If you don't have the chips will they still put on the 3M crap as a preventive maintenance?

Oh I just read the post above guess not.

[03LTZvixen]

what about if your truck is 3 years old? i just bought it in december and had it certified. a couple of weeks after i brought it home i noticed huge paint chips behind the rear tires. :hissy: didnt know if the service bulletin was for just the 06's

[GaryTucker]

Vixen,
I think the bulletin goes back that far. There is a copy of it posted around the forum somewhere. If nothing else, I'll see what I can do to find it and send a copy home with your husband Tuesday night. Are you still under factory 3/36 warranty? If not, it would be a hard sell to get an area service manager to do it. Usually with special policies like this one, they will only go to the 3/36. I've seen things like trans failures and such going past this mark...but not things like paint.

[03LTZvixen]

yep its still under 36k but i think the 3 yr cut off this year just because its a 2003. i dont know if its which ever comes first, but my truck only has 20k miles on it.

[Envoy Fan]

yep its still under 36k but i think the 3 yr cut off this year just because its a 2003. i dont know if its which ever comes first, but my truck only has 20k miles on it.

Then it will depend on origional owners in service date. If under 3 years you will be covered. Take your VIN and call a GM service dept. They can tell you the in service date.

[Fishhunter911]

Ok, Just got off the phone a little while ago with the body shop manager at my dealer. He already have the film in, ordered it before calling me. Not a bad idea, be prepared when you call, Good idea. Asked him what he got approval for from GM. He said, repaint all 4 doors below the crease, bottom of front fenders, and quarter panels behind the rear wells, and of course the film. I asked him how long he would need the truck. He said 3 days Max. I told him I needed a loaner he said no problem I will put you in either a TB or Tahoe. woohoo!! no little car for me!!! I also told him I need to stop by daily to have a look see and check up on it. He said not a problem I am more then welcome to stop by anytime I feel the need. I work 5 minutes from the dealer so he will be seeing a lot of me. I will be dropping it off early next week for the repairs. I have the mud flaps on there now, but man I think it takes away from the lines of the truck. They have got to go, If anyone wants them When I take them off they are yours, As long as You pick them up or I can drop them off to you.

[NORCAL SS]

my SS CAME IN!!!

my buddy runs the dealership and it was ordered today the 3m kit. it should be in by wed of next week and they said dont leave the lot without that 3m kit on. I want to go pick up the truck today but i think ill wait.

[shawn0413]

calles my dealer last week...told him i wanted to get the 3m on before i get too many chips and have to get it painted..they were great...they orderes the protection kit and i m picking it up on thursday...i also told him i d done some research and the film had to ba applied by some one whose certified to do it since it is sort of difficult.they had never put the 3m on a ss and i told him i have a friend who is certified.....he left the option to me ..i can find someone or they will do it.....

[TonyGXP]

calles my dealer last week...told him i wanted to get the 3m on before i get too many chips and have to get it painted..they were great...they orderes the protection kit and i m picking it up on thursday...i also told him i d done some research and the film had to ba applied by some one whose certified to do it since it is sort of difficult.they had never put the 3m on a ss and i told him i have a friend who is certified.....he left the option to me ..i can find someone or they will do it.....

the pieces are cut to fit, shouldn't be too hard, just make sure you have them prep it well..I would do it myself if they'ed let me..next week I'm dropping mine off..

[02redhawk]

Who has a pic of the 3M protector kit installed on any TB?

I'd like to see how this stuff looks prior to going to the dealer and starting a fuss. I already know that with ANY of my local dealers it WILL be a battle to get them to concede with this TSB (and likewise with the upcoming shakey-foglight TSB).

[02redhawk]

Plain black mudflaps on order from GM.


What's the GM P/N for these, and have you got a pic or two of them installed?

[T3Husted]

I second the request for pictures from someone who has had the 3m Kit installed. I want to see how noticeable it is before I go back to the dealer and make the request for it. Thanks.

[TonyGXP]

I second the request for pictures from someone who has had the 3m Kit installed. I want to see how noticeable it is before I go back to the dealer and make the request for it. Thanks.

mine's going in next week so if no one posts pics by then I will..

[Silver_06]

What's the GM P/N for these, and have you got a pic or two of them installed?

Check out this link
http://forums.trailvoy.com/showthread.php?t=4633&page=6

[fredg369]

Can you wax over the 3m kit...or...will it discolor...is it that noticable that it would show on the bottom half of door.
maybe a few 3 or 4 coats of wax will just let them rocks slip right off:D.
I live in the city anyway rocks are at a minimum.:raspberry
:undecided Is it gona be worth having the dealer,who I'm sure don't really know how to put it on mess with it?I'm not having a problem as far as I can tell.

[TonyGXP]

Can you wax over the 3m kit...or...will it discolor...is it that noticable that it would show on the bottom half of door.
maybe a few 3 or 4 coats of wax will just let them rocks slip right off:D.
I live in the city anyway rocks are at a minimum.:raspberry
:undecided Is it gona be worth having the dealer,who I'm sure don't really know how to put it on mess with it?I'm not having a problem as far as I can tell.

wax was NO help, get the kit put on or you will regret it in a few months and the chips pile up..no going back..

you say rocks are at a minimum, you what isn't is the asphalt/pothole crews that SUCK cause they have to fill these holes during rush hour or right before and that's what did the most damage to my truck, for the record...oh the "ping,ping,ping" was maddening!!

[TonyGXP]

I dropped mine off today for the 3M tape/kit, says it should be back in a day...believe it when I see it..(also replacing the water pump, leaking out the neck to the rad hose:o) I will post pics immediately upon delivery of the vehicle for all to see..

[T3Husted]

Thanks TonyGXP. I look forward to the pictures. I am getting ready to call the dealer to set up the install, I just want to make sure that I am going to be happy with the look after it is installed.

[ttdolson]

Mine is currently @ the dealer getting the 3M applied....

No chips yet, but I didn't want to wait for that to happen...

[Fishhunter911]

Mine is going in the Th of March, Just got off the phone with the Body shop Manager. Have a loaner for me, TAHOE!!!!! Said they will have it for 2 days, Gonna re-shoot the rockers and maybe the doors, Doors aren't bad, I did put the flaps on.. rockers are trashed. I will let you all know how I make out.


UPDATE:

Just met with the Body Shop Manager, he said to wait untill spring when the winter crap is over. He told me,"Once I repaint it, yo have to wait 6 weeks before I can put the 3M on, If I paint it now by the end of spring it will need to be repainted again" He actually seems to know his stuff. Most would p-aint it then put the 3M right on, not him. So I am on hold untill then. If it gets worse, no biggie, it will be fixed.

[TonyGXP]

my svc mgr called...done...water pump, done, picking it up tomorrow!! that was quick, hopefully it is done properly..

[sjfd04]

Ordered the paint chip kit through the dealer, no problem. Made an appointment to have installed and I took my SS to the dealer. 3 hours had passed and I recieved a call telling me the service tech followed the manufactures installation procedure but for some reason he knew I would not be happy with the outcome, he was right. The kit is on order again and it looks like they will have a local body shop install.

On another note, I installed GM mud flaps on the front fenders only and it appears to do the trick. If you install the flaps to cover the entire outside width of the tires, it will not sling mud, water or rocks to the rear of the vehicle. They do not look all that bad if you consider the trade-off, chipped paint.

[matt04TB]

For those having the 3m applied, is the dealer doing this free of charge?

[Fishhunter911]

For those having the 3m applied, is the dealer doing this free of charge?


Mine is.

[TonyGXP]

For those having the 3m applied, is the dealer doing this free of charge?
mine too..

[ttdolson]

Mine too...It's covered under warranty...

[TonyGXP]

got to the dealer and I RIPPED it right off...had their pinstriping/decal guy do it....NO GOOD, so now I am in the process of finding a certified installer willing to work with a dealer...not easy...let you know how it works out..

the reason I ripped it off was the bubbles and they didn't clean it properly, lot of foreign particles under different panels:duh: :duh: :duh: ...

[BlackSSinMN]

I just dropped mine off at the dealership for the 3M kit, they said no problem and put up no fight when I told them what I wanted, had a couple scratches, but not too bad, but then again only 150 miles. They even gave me a 2006 Impala SS with a 300 some horsepower V8, that feels like it would give the TB a decent run for it's money, although the TB feels tighter and handles better.

IMO those of you who are not seeing any paint damage on the rocker panels are blind, I have 150 miles and ALL of them were before there was any sand on the roads and If you looked close, you could easily find them.

Does anyone have a actual part number for the fog light brackets, they can't find a thing about it?

[cmadams4]

got to the dealer and I RIPPED it right off...had their
the reason I ripped it off was the bubbles and they didn't clean it properly, lot of foreign particles under different panels:duh: :duh: :duh: ...

This is why I didn't even give the dealership a chance to screw up. I have been burned too many times (like my engine blowing up 50 Km after a service and injector change!). Here are my pics after I had the 3m 'professionally' done at a place that makes their living doing this kind of stuff. http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e345/cmadams4/DSC00621.jpghttp://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e345/cmadams4/DSC00622.jpg

The whole lower portion (just below the SS) is guarded, up over the wheels (1") then back down behind the lower tires. All for about $300 CAN ($1.50 US:no: ), same day, very happy. And can you see the rock guard ? Believe me you have to be very close to see it at all, mine was very professionally done, nice clean rounded corners, swoopy archs up over the wheel wells.

[Fishhunter911]

That looks good!! Can't even see it:thumbsup:

[matt04TB]

anyone have pics of the dealer installed kit?

[TonyGXP]

anyone have pics of the dealer installed kit?

I am really having a hard time convincing myself to get it put on..I could see it from 20' away in the sun...Not at all impressed by it..Think I would have more piece of mind with the splashguards on in the winter and just remove in the summer, they're off noe (dealer trips and what not) and the holes I made aren't even noticeable up close, I touched them up with the touchup paint to defeat any rust that may attempt to pop up..I am lost in this dilemma?

It looked really BAD..It looks like someone didn't remove some type of shipping protector on the sides..

[blautens]

Your experience is exactly what I would dread...thanks for the post. Sorry for your troubles, though.

[steined]

I was contacted by my dealer to have the re-paint for the chips and the 3m applied. Despite my arguing, 3M's site has this to say on application on new paint:

QWill the paint smear if Scotchgard™ Paint Protection Film is applied over a newly painted vehicle?A.The paint on a newly painted vehicle must be cured according to manufacturer's recommendations. Your body shop should be able to provide you with this information.
So I guess depending on the paint application procedures you may not need to wait that long. The dealer body shop bakes the paint at up to 180* so I assume that cures the paint faster than not baking it.

I'm waiting to hear back form them on the cure time of their paint. They have a VERY nice and large body shop. Spotless.

Eric

[TonyGXP]

I decided today I am going to leave my truck the way it is and in Jan of 09' I will have them respray the doors/panels and have the tape applied...hows that..

[02redhawk]

I decided today I am going to leave my truck the way it is and in Jan of 09' I will have them respray the doors/panels and have the tape applied...hows that..


Bingo! Exactly what I'm thinking of. I'll install mudflaps for the remainder of this winter and all future ones, remove them for the summers, and let it be.

Then, right before my 3/36k is up, take it in for the repaint and refinish.

[TonyGXP]

I read the directions on how to install the 3M and it's easy, I've installed plenty of graphics using the soapy water and squeegy technique, maybe by 09' they'll figure it out!

[steined]

I just hope that they don't deny you based on "Normal Wear and tear" at 36K miles and it not being a "factory defect".

For 1000 miles it is unacceptable. At 36,000 miles they may tell you to go pound sand. (no pun intended)

[forcefedjunkie]

Has anyone else been told by the dealer that this 3M kit is not available at this time? I made an agreement with a local dealer stating that they would apply this stuff when I took delivery of my SS. I went to take delivery today and they said there are none of these "kits" available. If they can get one at a later date they will call me. It doesn't sound like your dealers have had any problems from what I've read here.

Todd

[Fishhunter911]

Has anyone else been told by the dealer that this 3M kit is not available at this time? I made an agreement with a local dealer stating that they would apply this stuff when I took delivery of my SS. I went to take delivery today and they said there are none of these "kits" available. If they can get one at a later date they will call me. It doesn't sound like your dealers have had any problems from what I've read here.

Todd

Welcome to Trailvoy!! Everyone I have talked to has not had a problem getting them in. Maybe the demand is so high now that the info is out, there are running short.

[allanirwin]

I took my TBSS [all options but rear entertainment] to the dealer yesterday. Under warranty, they provided the kit and will pay the labor for the installer that I chose to do the install. My installer picked the car up and will have it back next week. It would have taken them only a day to do the kit, but I am having them do some other work while they have it: Install a billet bow-tie on the front with a custom SS log, remove all SS/Trailblazer badges, paint the calipers red [my TBSS is black], install a CD player [fits in the storage box in the back where the air pump switch is], install a billet antenna [still need AM 1640 at times], install black bow-tie decal in the rear bow-tie, center cap bow-tie decal [silver, to do a light fade-out look], black nerf bars [help the wife get in/out :thumbsup: and for looks], and GE Night Hawks. I will do the Vector PCM/CAI next and tint the windows. I also put SS logo mats in when I got the TBSS 2 weeks ago and put the Chevy trailer hitch receiver cover on which filled in the "hole" in the rear bumper.

[matt04TB]

Sounds pretty cool! Where did you get "SS" floor mats?

PS - Welcome, and pics are a must!

[02redhawk]

I just hope that they don't deny you based on "Normal Wear and tear" at 36K miles and it not being a "factory defect".

For 1000 miles it is unacceptable. At 36,000 miles they may tell you to go pound sand. (no pun intended)


Not with the TSB out there.


BTW, I installed the generic GM plastic mudflaps today. Good fit, put a layer of closed-cell neoprene (ie, weatherstripping type material) between the mudflap and fender to eliminate any rubbing whatsoever.

[allanirwin]

The mats are Lloyd Mats and I used the Silverado Logo that they are licensed to use.

[Merk]

Well, I'm not so lucky with my dealer

I took it in, had the service advisor, service manager, and a few other dealer employees look at it. "yup, thats chipped alright".

The TSB mentions the dealer needs approval from the regional manager for the work performed. "O.K., no problem", I say ---I have a reciept stating I am unsatisfied with the paint chipping....don't care when it gets fixed.

This morning I recieve a call from my service advisor, "We got the film on order, we'll call you when we can install it for you." and further respond, "At this time, we are not going to paint it until GM figures out what to do".

WTF does that mean?! thats what the TSB is for, riiight??

No sense arguing with a bumble-tard, so I just say "o.k., call me when the part is in."

I'm thinking, whats the point of putting film on a pitted area? The dealer would be sealing in any contaminants, salt, etc only to attract rust.

Now those who know me, KNOW I'm a picky mofo. This just seems like a half-a$$ed excuse for a half-a$$ed job.

Thoughts??

[Chris Foresta]

Before my dad got his C6, he had a BMW Z3 and had the same problem with the rock chips, a company made magnetic pieces, that stuck in the problem area. Just wondering if theres anything out there like that for us. Heres what im talking about:
http://www.mz3.net/articles/images/062-stoneguards_e.jpg
http://www.mz3.net/articles/images/062-stoneguards_c.jpg

I like this cure better then the GM clear tape. Ive seen some cars with the tape and you can deffinitly tell its there. This way the magnets are there for driving around, then when your showing your tb off you just peel em off.

[steined]

My dealer finished the painting and the application of the 3M. They had the car all week, painted on Monday, allowed 48 hours min cure time (actually more) then applied the 3M. I am happy enough with both. He claims, and I will believe for now, that the very few small pockets of air bubbles should go away when the soapy water evaporates, similar to window tint. They applied the pass rear door leading edge about 1/8" higher than the front pass door trailing edge, but that is my only gripe.

It is very difficult to see when dry, able to be seen when wet. I'll take some pictures over the weekend and post them up.

This dealer seems VERY concerned about the survey! They said do NOT send it in unless you can mark completely satisfied on every box, and if you can't come in and we'll make it so you can mark completely satisfied. I sort of poked around about what happens if it isn't marked completely satisfied and he just said it is a really big deal to them. So... apparently the survey is doing its part. Way to go GM! Now only if you could get a survey sent when you go for the initial problem and they don't want to deal with it! ;)

[TonyGXP]

I am not getting the 3M done, I couldn't stand the way it looked, I had them rip it off as soon as I got there..I could see it from 20'+ away..I'll just have it repainted before the 3/36 runs out, by then I am sure the "newness" will wear off!!

[02redhawk]

I've got my "permanent" fix(es).

The generic $16 GM hard-plastic mudflaps have moreorless completely stopped the slinging of roadgrime onto the quarters of the truck. I installed them about 5.25" off from the ground (used a 12-pk of soda pop to set the height even on both sides). And for all intents, they can't really even be seen. Yes, obviously, they aren't hidden, but I mean that I don't mind there presence, and they're definitely not obtrusive - even on my silver SS.

Secondly, and probably more important - is the fact that I've used 17" Trailblazer LT/LTZ wheels and tires this winter. The skinnier tread and contact patch of the tires combined with (I believe, don't quote me) a different offset on the 17" wheels have then tucked the tires inside the wheelwell deeper than the stock 20" wheels & 255 tires. That is, the outer edge of the tires are recessed further into the wheelwell. Thus, I didn't get nearly the degree of "slingage" of snow/salt/debris onto the lower body panels - and as a result my truck is nearly blemish-free in these problem areas after a typical Michigan winter.

Summer months, I will remove the mudflaps and reinstall the stock wheels. I'm willing to live with the minimal "damage" incurred during the non-winter months. Based upon all of my previous vehicles, its the winter and early-spring pothole months that easily contribute to >80% of damage that I've had to have fixed / cleaned / refinished / etc.

The 3M stuff looks like crap, IMHO - especially when the leading edges start to lift over time (like a decal/sticker losing adhesion due to wear & age), and then dirt/debris starts to penetrate behind it. Avoid the dirt roads and the gravel/debris sections of left-turn lanes and medians, and you should eliminate a majority of the problem.

And yes, I too am an extremely anal & picky individual... Merk can attest to that...!

[02redhawk]

This morning I recieve a call from my service advisor, "We got the film on order, we'll call you when we can install it for you." and further respond, "At this time, we are not going to paint it until GM figures out what to do".

I'm thinking, whats the point of putting film on a pitted area? The dealer would be sealing in any contaminants, salt, etc only to attract rust.

Thoughts??


Brian -

You could claybar the areas before delivering the truck to them. Remove the contaminants yourself, and eliminate the incompetent dealer from the equation.

[blackss]

Had my SS since Nov--daily driver. Had molded flaps installed before I drove it our the door. Couple of weeks later, both rear doors chipped to ....... Dealer said will repaint and install 3M. However, I'm not to certain I'm going to be thrilled with the 3M. I have a set of I believe they are called Aero Tec running boards that are painted body color--only color there is black. As much as I hate to ruin the looks with the boards, when the weather moderates a little, in for repaint and installation of boards and flaps.

Black AWD LT SS
2005 Mag Red Vette
1996 Black Impala SS

[TonyGXP]

I have not noticed any more chipping since I installed mine & it takes me 3min to remove them and the bug Deflector when I go to the track or Shows...

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f51/TonyGXP/6382d33e.jpg
It looks SO MUCH better without anything, but you will pay, between chipping side panels to the hood and Windshield "Pelting" of normal everyday driving, especially during the "pothole" fixing season, when all that loose asphalt is flung around around:duh: :duh: :duh:
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f51/TonyGXP/SS024.jpg

[Chris Foresta]

^do you have a link or part number to where you got those?

[T3Husted]

Well, my SS is at the dealer getting the 3M kit installed. I can't wait to see how it looks. I hope that it doesn't look like a##. I am the first SS that my dealer has done, but they have done a lot of work with the 3M film on Vettes so hopefully they know what they are doing. I am also getting the fog lamp fix while it is in the shop. Wish me luck.

[BLK60SS]

Tony, do you have the rockguard as well?

[Merk]

Well, my SS is at the dealer getting the 3M kit installed. I can't wait to see how it looks. I hope that it doesn't look like a##. I am the first SS that my dealer has done, but they have done a lot of work with the 3M film on Vettes so hopefully they know what they are doing. I am also getting the fog lamp fix while it is in the shop. Wish me luck.

They repainting for you as well?

I plan to strong-arm my dealer into a repaint.

:hissy:

[TonyGXP]

Tony, do you have the rockguard as well?

no, it looked like ASS, so I ripped it off when I picked it up...It really looks like Sh*t...sorry to all those that have it, to me it looks like someone left clear tape on the side of the car...I could see it from 25ft away..at least with the flaps I can remove them on nice days...like I said, it's a 3min job to remove & reinstall them..

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f51/TonyGXP/SS057.jpg

[T3Husted]

No, they are not repainting the sides. I just hand washed the truck this weekend and examined the lower doors and rockers closely. They aren't really chipped up yet so there wasn't any real need for repaint. I only have 1200 miles on the truck. I am doing this as a preventive measure. I am hoping that I have better results than Tony did. If not, I am going to do just like he did and rip the stuff back off once Spring gets here in Michigan.

[BriZad]

So is the rock/paint chipping only a problem during the winter months? How would it be living in a year-round warm climate without snow? I've noticed most people saying things about taking the mudflaps off during the summer and on nice days.

[TonyGXP]

So is the rock/paint chipping only a problem during the winter months? How would it be living in a year-round warm climate without snow? I've noticed most people saying things about taking the mudflaps off during the summer and on nice days.

can you work a screwdriver? 3 screws on each one, and they come off in a couple of minutes with the wheels turned, you could drive 100miles to a show and take them off once you're there, my point is that UGLY tape plastered all over the sides was just impossible for me to look at when my truck was all shiny, it is SO noticable...and permanent..good luck with your decision, and as for the "warmer climate" I don't know, we have enough "pothole" crews running around here that I won't be taking mine off any time soon, but will be glad knowing my trucks protected..

[ScarabEpic22]

Or, if you want to get running boards and make your SS seem even lower, they make them in all black with a chrome edge (for Raniers) and can be installed in your driveway for ~$350. I have the regular gray ones on my 02 that came from the factory with them, but if I ever get an SS I will buy some of the black w/chrome ones because I like the running boards and I have absolutely 0 rock chips on the rear panels. Only ones I have are on the hood because I havent bought a bugdeflector because I like the clean lines without it.

[Silver_06]

So is the rock/paint chipping only a problem during the winter months? How would it be living in a year-round warm climate without snow? I've noticed most people saying things about taking the mudflaps off during the summer and on nice days.

Living near Atlanta and with 1500 miles on my three month old truck it's already chipped more than any car I've ever owned, even the ones that lived through the Indiana winters ('00 Purdue Grad here). No snow here and one day we had ice but that's it. So my mud flaps are staying on year round and I'll be putting on some 3M when I get some time to do it.

I went so far as to swap out the painted rocker moldings for the base black plastic ones and even with mud flaps I got a couple of marks left in the drivers side rocker from road debris. The thing I can't figure out is my drivers side is chipped a lot more than my passneger side. Probably just dumb luck but it just seems odd to me.

[BLK60SS]

no, it looked like ASS, so I ripped it off when I picked it up...It really looks like Sh*t...sorry to all those that have it, to me it looks like someone left clear tape on the side of the car...I could see it from 25ft away..at least with the flaps I can remove them on nice days...like I said, it's a 3min job to remove & reinstall them..



Why does it look like there is a fine line going across the bottom of the door right above the ss emblem. Is it just me......?

[TonyGXP]

Why does it look like there is a fine line going across the bottom of the door right above the ss emblem. Is it just me......?

it's just you..:weird: :dielaugh:

[BLZR SS]

I went so far as to swap out the painted rocker moldings for the base black plastic ones and even with mud flaps I got a couple of marks left in the drivers side rocker from road debris. The thing I can't figure out is my drivers side is chipped a lot more than my passneger side. Probably just dumb luck but it just seems odd to me.
Maybe its from passing cars going in the opposite direction. :undecided

[matt_ss]

it's just you..:weird: :dielaugh:

how long did it take to install those flaps u have??

less than 1k miles and I have chips! arg.. dealer is repainting but wouldn't install assist steps.. going with the crappy tape and maybe some flaps...

tape wears out after awhile from what I read..

[Merk]

If you get this done, you need to take your service manager literally by the ear and tell him/her that you want it repainted.

I had this film put on yesterday, and :suicide: some dealers just don't get "IT."

The TSB CLEARLY states there is an overall chipping problem with all Trailblazers, even more so with AWD units. Yet GM fails to realize that someone spending $40K or so on a truck is going to be pissed when little chips start forming on a brand new truck from poor engineering. You need to repaint. This is where the Dealer comes in.

I was flat out told that GM does not want to paint these trucks; why???!!

Its an ounce of prevention! GM, spend the extra dough and paint (feather)the small areas that are affected! Total cost: $50 / per side RETAIL!

Instead, they would rather put film over a damaged area. :weird: It still looks like crap.

I wouldnt mind the film, really. A blue truck with white dots all over it just does not appeal to the paying eye.

So GM, if you are hearing this: "get your heads straight and fix this problem!":hissy::hissy::hissy:

[TonyGXP]

how long did it take to install those flaps u have??

less than 1k miles and I have chips! arg.. dealer is repainting but wouldn't install assist steps.. going with the crappy tape and maybe some flaps...

tape wears out after awhile from what I read..

I lines them up and drilleda 7/32" hole and screwed in the three that hold them, in minutes, one in the fender lip and two in the plastic rocker piece, and when I remove them (about 1min each side) you can't even notice the tiny holes, wheels don't have to come off, just turn them opposite for install, simple..mine contour to the side of the truck, GM ones look a little more time intensive, mine are lined up auto, when you stretch them, GM you should measure...Mine are Powerflow #4's from PepBoys..rubbery material.

[GMtech45]

I lines them up and drilleda 7/32" hole and screwed in the three that hold them, in minutes, one in the fender lip and two in the plastic rocker piece, and when I remove them (about 1min each side) you can't even notice the tiny holes, wheels don't have to come off, just turn them opposite for install, simple..mine contour to the side of the truck, GM ones look a little more time intensive, mine are lined up auto, when you stretch them, GM you should measure...Mine are Powerflow #4's from PepBoys..rubbery material.

I put the same ones on mine.....look GREAT & look factory!

[blackss]

Guys I will forewarn you. I had flaps installed before I drove off the dealer's lot. As a daily driver, the lower portion of the doors is still knicked up--and I do mean knicked big time. As much as I hate to do it, I have a pair of running boards, believe they are Aero Tec or some name similar being painted black to match the SS and I will install the boards and flaps once the dealer repaints in the spring. If you are going with strictly flaps you will be disappointed.

Had a 2002 LTZ with boards and flaps and never had chips ever--it was also used as a daily driver.

2006 Black AWD LT SS
2005 Magnetic Red Vette Z51
1996 Black Impala SS

[BriZad]

Guys I will forewarn you. I had flaps installed before I drove off the dealer's lot. As a daily driver, the lower portion of the doors is still knicked up--and I do mean knicked big time. As much as I hate to do it, I have a pair of running boards, believe they are Aero Tec or some name similar being painted black to match the SS and I will install the boards and flaps once the dealer repaints in the spring. If you are going with strictly flaps you will be disappointed.

Had a 2002 LTZ with boards and flaps and never had chips ever--it was also used as a daily driver.

2006 Black AWD LT SS
2005 Magnetic Red Vette Z51
1996 Black Impala SS

Damn that sucks......this is really disappointing to hear. Any other testimonials of just flaps?

[TonyGXP]

Damn that sucks......this is really disappointing to hear. Any other testimonials of just flaps?

sorry but my chipping problem has stopped, as far as I can tell, completely, and I am anal about this problem, I am sure now and then a rock or two will sneak past, but that is going to happen to unless you put boards on, and I will go back to the 3M before I do that..I like the flaps fora few reasons, mainly to stop the rocks/asphalt pelting, but also keeps the side of the truck spotless after a light rain or puddle..

[ScarabEpic22]

Guys I will forewarn you. I had flaps installed before I drove off the dealer's lot. As a daily driver, the lower portion of the doors is still knicked up--and I do mean knicked big time. As much as I hate to do it, I have a pair of running boards, believe they are Aero Tec or some name similar being painted black to match the SS and I will install the boards and flaps once the dealer repaints in the spring. If you are going with strictly flaps you will be disappointed.

Had a 2002 LTZ with boards and flaps and never had chips ever--it was also used as a daily driver.

2006 Black AWD LT SS
2005 Magnetic Red Vette Z51
1996 Black Impala SS


I know about chipping (wait, no I dont), sorry, my 02 LT has running boards and I think even with flaps you will kick up a lot of rocks and road crap to the rockers of your shiny new truck. Personally, if I get an SS I will try and convince the dealer to put on running boards instead of the film, as I like the look of the running boards on TBs, and the black ones look really good on SSs too. It makes them seem even lower to the ground which is another bonus!

[Merk]

Thinking through the alternatives, I have found this product:

http://www.ultimateautoaccessories.com/page/UAA/PROD/EA/56281

I like it because you can paint them; unlike the rubber flaps described above. Not that the rubber flaps are unfavorable....just sourcing the "best alternative." Seems like they would be more rigid as well.

Thoughts?

On a side note, I still think GM needs to get off their mopey "whaaaa, we have no money" attitude and take care of their customers!

We have a BMW X5 4.6is, AWD with W I D E R wheels/tires than the SS. The X5 has flares that encompass the ainticipated problem areas for rock chips. 30K miles on that...and NO rock chips. Nope, nodda one. ;)

My 93 Typhoon, also AWD does not have rock chips. 130K miles on that truck. So as you can tell, Im a little miffed to why the SS gets "peppered" as well as the problem not being solved.

All I can say so far, is I am glad I leased the SS so when I turn it in I can tell GM to stick their :raspberry up their a**!

[TBlazer2005]

My dealer says I have to pay for the running boards for this fix. WTF?

[matt04TB]

My dealer says I have to pay for the running boards for this fix. WTF?


maybe because the TSB doesn't cover the 05's?

[ghoster]

maybe because the TSB doesn't cover the 05's?

I think it does.:m2: 0308111002A is the TSB number I found.

[matt04TB]

I think it does.:m2: 0308111002A is the TSB number I found.

opps, sorry. :o

[ghoster]

opps, sorry. :o

:rotfl: No need to be sorry! wonder why the dealerships don't all do the same thing. Like, if dealership (A) gives you the boards, then all dealerships do it the same way. another mystery of GM.

[webxfx]

Guys I will forewarn you. I had flaps installed before I drove off the dealer's lot. As a daily driver, the lower portion of the doors is still knicked up--and I do mean knicked big time. As much as I hate to do it, I have a pair of running boards, believe they are Aero Tec or some name similar being painted black to match the SS and I will install the boards and flaps once the dealer repaints in the spring. If you are going with strictly flaps you will be disappointed.

Had a 2002 LTZ with boards and flaps and never had chips ever--it was also used as a daily driver.

2006 Black AWD LT SS
2005 Magnetic Red Vette Z51
1996 Black Impala SS


Do you have any pictures of these running boards?

[jameSSloane]

When I bought my 02 Trailblazer in 03, I figured that the previous owner lived on a dirt road. The rear, bottom of the rear doors were ruined with only 20,000 miles. Hundreds, if not thousands of chips. The truck was pewter so touch up paint looked better than the original scratches, but still not that good. This model had the plastic non-painted rockers.

When I started to see chips on my black 06 SS with less than 1,000 miles, needless to say, I was a litttle pissed. I was able to put two and two together, realized that the previous owner never lived on a dirt road and found out about the service bulletin. Thank-you Trailvoy.com. (priceless)The dealer acted like they never heard of a service bulletin until I brought a copy in.

Long story short, my truck is painted and the 3M protective kit seems to be working well. When the paint delaminates which, according to some, it will, I will take it back. I take what I can get from my dealer and when they agreed to paint and install for free, I wasn't going to tell them to wait for the paint to cure. The guy at the bodyshop teamed up with me and we will cross the delamination bridge when we get to it.

The kit consists of 10 pieces. (5 on each side) One on the front fender, one on the front door, one on the rear door, one on the back of the rocker and one on the front of the rocker. You can definitely see them, if you are looking, but would not notice it if you were not looking.

My tune and CAI from Vector should arrive on Wednesday. All I want to do is drive.

Hope that this helps.

[ontogenesis]

My 02 has 51k on it, and as much as I love it, this may be the straw that broke the camel's back, the lower doors on both sides look like they were sandblasted, they're all the way down to the primer and in some places, the sheetmetal. It used to be spotless and 8k later, it looks decrepid. I think I'm going to go car shopping.