AWD Vector Tune

Well the UPS guy brought the holy grail of all tunes to the front door at 9AM this morning. With a little help from Kirk (thanks man!) I popped the new ECM/TCM right in.

I'm not quite sure how to put the difference into words! I guess the ear to ear grin on my face is all telling. This truck is absolutely scary now and it's just AWESOME! There is zero lag and thing just squats and goes like a r*ped ape. I have done the chip swap thing in some older cars and have never seen this much of a difference. I can't believe it.

Chris and Kirk, you guys have a hell of a product and hopefully wheel barrels of money will be brought to your front door because you absolutely deserve it. The $400 is the best money you can spend for a mod on this truck. I can't thank you guys enough. Keep me in mind for the CAI system. Every little bit helps!:thumbsup:

Mike in MA

What method did you use?

Core or pull & ship?

I went with the core program. I had all the payment information in place by 1PM on 01-30-05 and the core was dropped off at 9AM this morning.

Is that something I can do to a lease and be able to put it back before I turn it in so I don't void anything? I'm not that mechanically inclined (beyond changing oil and rotating my tires) so I have a LOT to learn. :)

I went with the core program. I had all the payment information in place by 1PM on 01-30-05 and the core was dropped off at 9AM this morning.

Did you get a check engine light?

Is that something I can do to a lease and be able to put it back before I turn it in so I don't void anything? I'm not that mechanically inclined (beyond changing oil and rotating my tires) so I have a LOT to learn. :)


Mine is leased and I have the tune. They wont even know it is changed unless you tell them.

Mine is leased and I have the tune. They wont even know it is changed unless you tell them.
Well isn't one of the deals with that tune that you HAVE to run 93 Octane? I would think they might need to know that since when they gave it to me, they said I could run 87 or higher. :undecided

Did you get a check engine light?

yeah..what he said.

Ok to clear this up again, if you ship us YOUR ECM/TCM you will NOT need a crank learn and wont get the SES light and need a crankshaft variation learn. If you are getting cores you WILL need to have this procedure performed! Same goes for ANY aftermarket PCM/ECM that uses a core :)

If you are getting cores you WILL need to have this procedure performed! Same goes for ANY aftermarket PCM/ECM that uses a core :)

My my, how that story has changed in a couple of weeks! I'm not big on busting helpful people out, but several weeks ago nothing was mentioned about a relearn, then when I bought it was a 25% chance you would need it, then last week after my problems it became a 75% chance you will need it, and now it's 100% that you "WILL" need it. I gotta say, I like the tune but had I known up front the truth about what was required and the hassles that would cause me I think I would have taken a pass. I could only find one GM dealer willing to do the relearn on a 2006 and they wanted $60 for it. That and originally my problem was explained by VMS as "bad gas". So I burned through a $50 tank in record time to get some good gas only to find out that was not the problem and I wasted that money. So those two issues added $110 to the cost of my tune. Kirk is helping me out with the relearn, but again these were not problems mentioned before purchase. So I'm not here bashing, but voicing my frustration and sharing my experiences. If you are "learning on the fly" with these trucks I can accept that because you did get a tune out very quickly - but for me with very little mechanical knowledge and no understanding of what you're doing problems and hassles are tough to deal with and make me worry. My :m2: .

so the re-learn is an absolute must?? haven't some guys not had to have this done? even with the core program? I'm thinking Core program but, I haven't decided.

If you buy the core PLAN on getting a relearn

TBSSTony I'm not quite sure where you are going with this but nowhere was it EVER stated (see http://forums.trailvoy.com/showpost.php?p=47738&postcount=99) that there was any percentange chance that you didnt have to perform the Crank Learn (at least to my knowledge?) There is a % chance you dont have to do the SECURITY learn however.

Just as its stated clearly in the instructions included in the invoice pouch on the box, if you get a crankshaft position DTC you need to have the crank learn done.

As far as the bad gas goes we were going on what YOU told us, we werent there nor did you get the codes scanned prior (other than some vauge answer from on star) so we were flying blindly on what we were told; nothing more.

I'm still trying to figure out why you are posting this? I mean we have gone through every avenue possible to help you such as letting you keep the cores longer than 7 days without charging you for them and even eating the bill to program your STOCK units just so you dont have to get the crank learn done! I mean if you are THAT unhappy with something that is industry standard in the GM market. The 100% satisfaction pledge stands, we WILL refund your money; you'll just have a marginally slower vehicle that gets worse gas mileage is all.


We did the best we could given the information you provided to us (from onstar) but like I said ANY after market ECM/PCM that uses a core exchange program or a new ECM/PCM will require a learn, there sadly is no way around it :(

Again I'm sorry for the inconvience but we are doing everything we can to make you happy! Without better information the best we can do is point you in the right direction!

Tony I'm not quite sure where you are going with this but nowhere was it EVER stated (see http://forums.trailvoy.com/showpost.php?p=47738&postcount=99) that there was any percentange chance that you didnt have to perform the Crank Learn (at least to my knowledge?) There is a % chance you dont have to do the SECURITY learn however.

Just as its stated clearly in the instructions included in the invoice pouch on the box, if you get a crankshaft position DTC you need to have the crank learn done.

As far as the bad gas goes we were going on what YOU told us, we werent there nor did you get the codes scanned prior (other than some vauge answer from on star) so we were flying blindly on what we were told; nothing more.

I'm still trying to figure out why you are posting this? I mean we have gone through every avenue possible to help you such as letting you keep the cores longer than 7 days without charging you for them and even eating the bill to program your STOCK units just so you dont have to get the crank learn done! I mean if you are THAT unhappy with something that is industry standard in the GM market the 100% satisfaction pledge stands, we WILL refund your money; you'll just have a marginally slower vehicle that gets worse gas mileage is all.


We did the best we could given the information you provided to us (from onstar) but like I said ANY after market ECM/PCM that uses a core exchange program or a new ECM/PCM will require a learn, there sadly is no way around it :(

Again I'm sorry for the inconvience but we are doing everything we can to make you happy! Without better information the best we can do is point you in the right direction!

Chris, I didn't mean anything negative. my question was if my Check Eng light dosen't come on do I need to take it to the dealer? and what's the Security relearn? is that 2 relearns or one? I FEEL LIKE A MORON I'm starting to see this: 01000100101100101001010100101010110100101010101!!! !

That's it! Chris get your ass down to NJ ASAP!! or at least somwhere nearby:D can you make a day trip here, if we prepay for the tune, set it up at an SS meet next month...How about Feb25th!! @Englishtown NJ?? would get a tone of NJ,NY,PA,CT SS's there I'm sure, it would be worth your while...

Noooooooooooooooo Tony not you!! :)) TBSSTony silly!! hehe

Noooooooooooooooo Tony not you!! :)) TBSSTony silly!! hehe


ANSWER THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION!!!! When will your travelling road show come our way??? NY,NJ,PA Tristate Area being neglected!!

ANSWER THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION!!!! When will your travelling road show come our way??? NY,NJ,PA Tristate Area being neglected!!

LOL 2 of the 4 DE guys have it hehehehee:rotfl:

Like I said before, I'm sharing my experiences, that's what this site is for right? I'm not being malicious or insulting in any way. Frustrated, sure. I consider myself to be very thorough when researching something like this. Nowhere do I remember reading that it was an absolute to have the CVL done. If I had, my next question would have been how expensive that was going to be. As for the bad gas and percentages, those were from talking to Kirk last week. You had a tracking number for the cores yesterday, which technically was the 8th day (one day late from the program requirements) but had been discussed with Kirk. If being honest, you forget to mention that you charged me for Next Day Air shipping on a Tuesday and failed to deliver the cores until the following Monday due to issues on your end (not shipping issues). And I can quote several PM's from me being VERY understanding of that fact. Kirk told me you have several sets going around so the program did not come to a complete halt. And I also gave you credit for tuning my original cores. I didn't ask for that, Kirk offered. I was going to pay $60 yesterday to do it. It was frustrating to get a $60 quote after several members here said it was a 5-10 minute job and $10-20 though. Again, out of your control, I'll admit. But you gotta see why I'm so frustrated? Never have I badmouthed you, Kirk, or VMS. Never had I badmouthed the tune, I like it. But I think wishing everything to be handled through PM's or emails is a little unfair - I doubt I'll be the only one to run into some snags so why not put it out there on a public forum to help someone out? As long as it's handled in a polite and respectful way it can only help everyone out right?


TBSSTony I'm not quite sure where you are going with this but nowhere was it EVER stated (see http://forums.trailvoy.com/showpost.php?p=47738&postcount=99) that there was any percentange chance that you didnt have to perform the Crank Learn (at least to my knowledge?) There is a % chance you dont have to do the SECURITY learn however.

Just as its stated clearly in the instructions included in the invoice pouch on the box, if you get a crankshaft position DTC you need to have the crank learn done.

As far as the bad gas goes we were going on what YOU told us, we werent there nor did you get the codes scanned prior (other than some vauge answer from on star) so we were flying blindly on what we were told; nothing more.

I'm still trying to figure out why you are posting this? I mean we have gone through every avenue possible to help you such as letting you keep the cores longer than 7 days without charging you for them and even eating the bill to program your STOCK units just so you dont have to get the crank learn done! I mean if you are THAT unhappy with something that is industry standard in the GM market the 100% satisfaction pledge stands, we WILL refund your money; you'll just have a marginally slower vehicle that gets worse gas mileage is all.


We did the best we could given the information you provided to us (from onstar) but like I said ANY after market ECM/PCM that uses a core exchange program or a new ECM/PCM will require a learn, there sadly is no way around it :(

Again I'm sorry for the inconvience but we are doing everything we can to make you happy! Without better information the best we can do is point you in the right direction!

Chris, did you know that TBSS in the vid that got spanked by the GC was a vector tuned one??? with an exhaust..

My my, how that story has changed in a couple of weeks! I'm not big on busting helpful people out, but several weeks ago nothing was mentioned about a relearn, then when I bought it was a 25% chance you would need it, then last week after my problems it became a 75% chance you will need it, and now it's 100% that you "WILL" need it. I gotta say, I like the tune but had I known up front the truth about what was required and the hassles that would cause me I think I would have taken a pass. I could only find one GM dealer willing to do the relearn on a 2006 and they wanted $60 for it. That and originally my problem was explained by VMS as "bad gas". So I burned through a $50 tank in record time to get some good gas only to find out that was not the problem and I wasted that money. So those two issues added $110 to the cost of my tune. Kirk is helping me out with the relearn, but again these were not problems mentioned before purchase. So I'm not here bashing, but voicing my frustration and sharing my experiences. If you are "learning on the fly" with these trucks I can accept that because you did get a tune out very quickly - but for me with very little mechanical knowledge and no understanding of what you're doing problems and hassles are tough to deal with and make me worry. My :m2: .


You did put the issue out for us public to respond, but it doesn't appear like you chose to follow the advice. I think I recall myself advising you to get your truck scanned (obtain the code), and then get the relearn done. Getting a code-dump is free. I'm not sure how this is VMS's "fault" for your dealer's overcharge of the relearn, nor does it seem that anywhere VMS hid the "true" costs of obtaining the tune. Its in their instructions about possibly needing the crank-sensor relearn. Getting the DTC sounds like it would have solved the problem immediately by pointing you to get the relearn done . :undecided

You did put the issue out for us public to respond, but it doesn't appear like you chose to follow the advice. I think I recall myself advising you to get your truck scanned (obtain the code), and then get the relearn done. Getting a code-dump is free. I'm not sure how this is VMS's "fault" for your dealer's overcharge of the relearn, nor does it seem that anywhere VMS hid the "true" costs of obtaining the tune. Its in their instructions about possibly needing the crank-sensor relearn. Getting the DTC sounds like it would have solved the problem immediately by pointing you to get the relearn done . :undecided

I've been in contact with local GM dealers (the only ones around here who can do the CVL on an '06, per my many calls) and/or VMS everyday, so you assuming I just waited a week to complain is rather insulting. I do work, fixing my truck has to come second. As for assuming I said it's VMS's "fault" for an overcharge, read my other post please, that should calm your confusion. Look for the phrase "out of your control".

I guess I was lucky in the sense that I have friend who is the service manager of a Buick dealership near my house. I expected that I was going to have the re-learn done and I called him ahead of time. He said "when you need it bring it down".
Well I brought it to him today and exactly four minutes later and no charge (SWEET) the check engine light was gone and I took him for a ride. Well it looks like he is going to have to buy one now :laugh:.

...I took him for a ride. Well it looks like he is going to have to buy one now :laugh:.

:laugh: Tell him about trailvoy if he gets one!

I guess I was lucky in the sense that I have friend who is the service manager of a Buick dealership near my house. I expected that I was going to have the re-learn done and I called him ahead of time. He said "when you need it bring it down".
Well I brought it to him today and exactly four minutes later and no charge (SWEET) the check engine light was gone and I took him for a ride. Well it looks like he is going to have to buy one now :laugh:.



if we played the old..."I don't know what's wrong with it?" would the dealer screw it up or just fix under warranty?

if we played the old..."I don't know what's wrong with it?" would the dealer screw it up or just fix under warranty?

Kirk at VMS said they'd discover the error writing to the computers and probably replace them under warranty! That didn't sound too favorable to me lol. The local dealers only made me more confused though...I asked the first one specifically for a CVL and he told me he'd repgram the whole system. I didn't know enough about what the difference is, so I just left to find someone who responded to me asking for just the CVL.

I don't know about the warranty thing considering the dealership puts superchargers on brand new trucks and offers tunes for GMC's that they sell. He didn't care and asked if I wanted to supercharge the SS.

He didn't care and asked if I wanted to supercharge the SS.

AND YOU SAID YES RIGHT?!?! :laugh: :thumbsup: :raspberry

I don't know about the warranty thing considering the dealership puts superchargers on brand new trucks and offers tunes for GMC's that they sell. He didn't care and asked if I wanted to supercharge the SS.

Wow, that would be awesome! I must be in a total non-car-enthusiast market here.

ANSWER THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION!!!! When will your travelling road show come our way??? NY,NJ,PA Tristate Area being neglected!!

I'd be in....:thumbsup:

I'd be in....:thumbsup:

Chris says he'll make a trip over here if we could line up 10 SS's to be done!!!

we could get a bunch of guys, and figure on an agreeable meet somewhere, like East PA, or central NJ or somewhere...comon people step it up!! could have it done in one day, no shipping no problems....right from the man himself!:D PM me if you're interested, I'm thinking sometime in Feb/Mar

I've been in contact with local GM dealers (the only ones around here who can do the CVL on an '06, per my many calls) and/or VMS everyday, so you assuming I just waited a week to complain is rather insulting. I do work, fixing my truck has to come second. As for assuming I said it's VMS's "fault" for an overcharge, read my other post please, that should calm your confusion. Look for the phrase "out of your control".

I don't think I ever said you "waited a week to complain". What I did reference, however, is your concern about not having your discussion public for better exposure. Yet, you did make your problem public in an earlier thread, you received several suggestions including to get the relearn done, but seemingly didn't act on them. (????)

What I do find irritating, however, are your allusions to somehow this being VMS's fault. Perhaps you did not intend for them (your postings) to come across in this manner, but as an outsider 3rd person I read your notes in this thread and in your previous thread (ref: "VMS Tune better NOT have anything to do with this SES light I just got...." thread) as falling just shy of pointing VMS with *blame*. And this is quite obviously not the case. In fact from what I've read it appears that VMS has gone above and beyond what any typical speedshop / tuner would do to help you troubleshoot and fix your "problem", including offering the full refund. Like I said though, perhaps you didn't mean for them to be so direct, but they did seem (at least to me) to be a bit inappropriately harsh towards VMS / installation of the "tune".

Seriously, I hope your troubles are behind you and that you're pleased as much as the rest of us are with the tune. But I think you mentioned earlier that you aren't the most mechanically inclined person and I believe that this has something to do with some of your frustrations....not necessarily understanding what you were reading in the instructions (ie, you may need a crank relearn done), guessing at the prob instead of pulling the DTC to know exactly, etc.

Hey, if anything, chalk it up as a good learning experience for yourself, and the next time ya get a PCM tuned you'll now know what to expect. :)

So........... What was the final cost of the tune (core program) with shipping and to have the code scanned? I'm getting kinda curious about this deal. I'm in line for the core but I dont want to run in to this whole sha-bang deal...... I dont really have the time for the dealer stuff neithor.... Can someone help me out?

So........... What was the final cost of the tune (core program) with shipping and to have the code scanned? I'm getting kinda curious about this deal. I'm in line for the core but I dont want to run in to this whole sha-bang deal...... I dont really have the time for the dealer stuff neithor.... Can someone help me out?




there is another way to do it, but it will cost more, and Chris would have to be willing, but may help those skeptical...

What if Chris ships you a Core, you install, and ship him your PCM/TCM, he ships it back and you install that and ship the core back... double shipping I guess, but it may work for those who dont want to go to the dealer..

there is another way to do it, but it will cost more, and Chris would have to be willing, but may help those skeptical...

What if Chris ships you a Core, you install, and ship him your PCM/TCM, he ships it back and you install that and ship the core back... double shipping I guess, but it may work for those who dont want to go to the dealer..

Sounds like Chris will have to be doing alot of tuning and bookkeeping......
Soback to the main question...... How much money.

Thanks for the reply TONY. :D

The thing is, while I was getting suggestions from helpful members like yourself I was also talking to VMS about the issues. Judging from the info the woman at Onstar gave me (vague info about "knock") Kirk thought it was bad gas, so we waited 4-5 days for me to drive that tank gone. The light stayed on, meaning it had to be the CVL instead. How was I supposed to know? I never mis-represented my knowledge on the matter, to the tune of asking VMS for all/any additional info needed for "dummies" like myself to be able to do it. I will say it was billed to me as "plug and play", and "a 20 minute job". It was not until after paying for it and receiving the cores that the instructions mentioned the possibility (not definate) of a relearn. Well shoot, I already had them, might as well roll the dice. That "possibility" has since been changed to a definate as far as I'm reading. I definately would have thought twice about it, or at least researched what a CVL would cost ME before doing the swap. I can't remember reading anything like that before I paid.

My situation was just everything going wrong / being wrong that could be. Vague info from the Onstar tech/receptionist leading to an incorrect diagnosis, crooked dealers unwilling to work with me and/or overcharge me, etc. Once again I will say Chris and Kirk have been very helpful and very accessible during this whole ordeal. I apologize if my frustration made me say things in a stronger tone than should have been. I do feel the information about the relearn was incorrect and should have been emphasized more, and that's all I can say. I don't think my comments will hurt VMS, but will definately help potential buyers realize the core program will require a CVL as is now being said. Lastly, I love my tune - I just hate my luck! :)

I don't think I ever said you "waited a week to complain". What I did reference, however, is your concern about not having your discussion public for better exposure. Yet, you did make your problem public in an earlier thread, you received several suggestions including to get the relearn done, but seemingly didn't act on them. (????)

What I do find irritating, however, are your allusions to somehow this being VMS's fault. Perhaps you did not intend for them (your postings) to come across in this manner, but as an outsider 3rd person I read your notes in this thread and in your previous thread (ref: "VMS Tune better NOT have anything to do with this SES light I just got...." thread) as falling just shy of pointing VMS with *blame*. And this is quite obviously not the case. In fact from what I've read it appears that VMS has gone above and beyond what any typical speedshop / tuner would do to help you troubleshoot and fix your "problem", including offering the full refund. Like I said though, perhaps you didn't mean for them to be so direct, but they did seem (at least to me) to be a bit inappropriately harsh towards VMS / installation of the "tune".

Seriously, I hope your troubles are behind you and that you're pleased as much as the rest of us are with the tune. But I think you mentioned earlier that you aren't the most mechanically inclined person and I believe that this has something to do with some of your frustrations....not necessarily understanding what you were reading in the instructions (ie, you may need a crank relearn done), guessing at the prob instead of pulling the DTC to know exactly, etc.

Hey, if anything, chalk it up as a good learning experience for yourself, and the next time ya get a PCM tuned you'll now know what to expect. :)

So........... What was the final cost of the tune (core program) with shipping and to have the code scanned? I'm getting kinda curious about this deal. I'm in line for the core but I dont want to run in to this whole sha-bang deal...... I dont really have the time for the dealer stuff neithor.... Can someone help me out?

Start making calls. If you're in the core program you're gonna need a dealer to do the relearn, no way around it. The only dealer I found who wouuld do what I wanted asked $60 for it. Add that to the $50+ I paid for overnight shipping to me, plus the $25 I paid for shipping back, plus the $399 for the tune is $535. But apparently the dealers around here are crooked and $60 is way too high for the relearn. But it is what it is. Plan for the worst, hope for the best right? :)

[final] update!:

Got rid of the check engine light, thanks to Chris and Kirk. Am still enjoying the tune, as I always did, but thankfully now my truck is 100% G2G (good-to-go). As a side note, even while pounding on the truck to test the tune I am getting 1-1.5mpg better mileage, just as advertised!

My final word of caution has little to do with VMS - make some calls first if you do the core program to find a knowledgable, FAIR dealer who knows and understands what you are asking for with the CVL. That will save you a lot of grief. It was just bad luck for me, but I'm sure others will run into dealers that overcharge or won't do exactly what you want. So call around first!

Again, thanks to Kirk and Chris - there were always very accessible and helpful and understanding of my issues here. A good product is nothing without great support.

[final] update!:

Got rid of the check engine light, thanks to Chris and Kirk. Am still enjoying the tune, as I always did, but thankfully now my truck is 100% G2G (good-to-go). As a side note, even while pounding on the truck to test the tune I am getting 1-1.5mpg better mileage, just as advertised!

My final word of caution has little to do with VMS - make some calls first if you do the core program to find a knowledgable, FAIR dealer who knows and understands what you are asking for with the CVL. That will save you a lot of grief. It was just bad luck for me, but I'm sure others will run into dealers that overcharge or won't do exactly what you want. So call around first!

Again, thanks to Kirk and Chris - there were always very accessible and helpful and understanding of my issues here. A good product is nothing without great support.

I am glad to see you finally got it straightened out. Now go HAVE SOME FUN!!!!! here ricer ricer ricer ... good boy!!!

If anyone lives near W Palm Beach, FL and needs any of these services (for TBSS) I have a Tech 2 and will work for beer!:crazy:

Bob C.

If anyone lives near W Palm Beach, FL and needs any of these services (for TBSS) I have a Tech 2 and will work for beer!:crazy:

Bob C.

now that sounds like a deal to me !!

If anyone lives near W Palm Beach, FL and needs any of these services (for TBSS) I have a Tech 2 and will work for beer!:crazy:

Bob C.

Bob -

I'm in Boynton...UPS should be bringing me a Vector tuned core tomorrow...what kind of beer? :)

If anyone lives near W Palm Beach, FL and needs any of these services (for TBSS) I have a Tech 2 and will work for beer!:crazy:

Bob C.

Hey as long as you have a Tech 2 with a CANdi module that sounds like a helluva deal!

I asked this question earlier in the thread (page 1), but didn't notice an answer...
Well isn't one of the deals with that tune that you HAVE to run 93 Octane? I would think they might need to know that since when they gave it to me, they said I could run 87 or higher. :undecided
This question was in regards to getting the tune done to my leased TBSS.

I asked this question earlier in the thread (page 1), but didn't notice an answer...

This question was in regards to getting the tune done to my leased TBSS.

Even stock 93 is recommended - not required, but recommended. You may not get full performance with less. But the Vector tune does call for 93, unless you have them de-tune your tune to 91 (gives up about 8hp). To get max performance you need to run 93. Otherwise my understanding is the engine will not damage itself, it's smart enough to protect itself by pulling timing to prevent serious knock, which in turn reduces your performance. Moral of the story, run 93.

Even stock 93 is recommended - not required, but recommended. You may not get full performance with less. But the Vector tune does call for 93, unless you have them de-tune your tune to 91 (gives up about 8hp). To get max performance you need to run 93. Otherwise my understanding is the engine will not damage itself, it's smart enough to protect itself by pulling timing to prevent serious knock, which in turn reduces your performance. Moral of the story, run 93.
Thanks for the response, but that wasn't exactly the question... *I* am and will be running 93 in my SS. The question was if I get the Vector tune on my LEASE, wouldn't I have to tell them I did it because of the fact that they will then HAVE to run 93 in it instead of it just being "recommended"?

Bottom line: I want to get the tune, but I don't want to do anything to my truck that can't be reversed when I turn it in. I don't want to void anything in my contract. Know what I'm saying?

Thanks for the response, but that wasn't exactly the question... *I* am and will be running 93 in my SS. The question was if I get the Vector tune on my LEASE, wouldn't I have to tell them I did it because of the fact that they will then HAVE to run 93 in it instead of it just being "recommended"?

Bottom line: I want to get the tune, but I don't want to do anything to my truck that can't be reversed when I turn it in. I don't want to void anything in my contract. Know what I'm saying?

I hate to think this way but, if someone buys this truck and dosen't run the best (93) fuel, they deserve problems, buy an Envoy Denali if you want less!! secondly when you go to turn it in just swap with someone who has a Stock set up, make your money back 1/2 at least!!:D

Sorry Chris:eek:

Good Idea Tony:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Hey RacerBob - Do you consider Jacksonville "near" you? :rotfl:

Hey RacerBob - Do you consider Jacksonville "near" you? :rotfl:


Its next door, right? :D

Iwould be interested in the DE,NJ,PA tune! I live in Southern NJ.

Count me in for the tune....I'm in Phila. Pa

Come on PA/NJ/MD/DE....we need 10 people to get the :hail: vector tune for Chris to come down.....
I think were at 3..lol..:worried: ..whos getting in on this...couple hours of your time thats all it takes to be able to give that GC srt8 :mad: a run for its money:cool: ...after you possible beat or keep in there with him...(((I don't think there has been a real race yet with one..with a TB on vector..that I know of:undecided )))then you can say...HOW much did you pay for that thing...then go hehehehe:raspberry :rotfl: your :weird: !!!!!

Even stock 93 is recommended - not required, but recommended. You may not get full performance with less. But the Vector tune does call for 93, unless you have them de-tune your tune to 91 (gives up about 8hp). To get max performance you need to run 93.

California sucks my a$$.

if we live in cali and get a tune for 93 and we only have 91 here the cpu will cut power to reduce knock right?? what if i put some purple in there every couple of tanks thats about 112 octane.

ps- i bought the tbss for going to shows and weekend drives from time to time its not my everday driver.

if we live in cali and get a tune for 93 and we only have 91 here the cpu will cut power to reduce knock right?? what if i put some purple in there every couple of tanks thats about 112 octane.

ps- i bought the tbss for going to shows and weekend drives from time to time its not my everday driver.
Then just go to Sunonco and get their 110 octane unleaded. :yes:

Iwould be interested in the DE,NJ,PA tune! I live in Southern NJ.

When is this, and how far do I have to drive, hehe?

When is this, and how far do I have to drive, hehe?

look up Old Bridge NJ, that's probably going to be near the middle for most of us....when? you got me, when we get at least ten guys lined up, and Chris is able to fly in for a day....if he stays true to his word:undecided , I know he's busy but I'm sure he can get away for a quick 4G's (if not more!)

if i ever get my tb ss! (maybe this weekend) im in=-) central jersey here

look up Old Bridge NJ, that's probably going to be near the middle for most of us....when? you got me, when we get at least ten guys lined up, and Chris is able to fly in for a day....if he stays true to his word:undecided , I know he's busy but I'm sure he can get away for a quick 4G's (if not more!)
I have no doubts that his word is Gold. He's on the GTO site for quite some time, did all kinds of stuff for us GTO'ers also.
I looked up directions on Google Earf, it looks around 2 hours for me, so thats fine, I'm IN.
Jordan~FromTheWordGO@optonline.net

Chris has always stuck to his word. Not once have I seen him back out of it. Matter of fact I just had a conversation with him and he offered up something to help me out, without me even hinting I needed anything. Top notch guys we have here. One thing that Chris may want is some sort of deposit to come out here. I know I would if I were him. Cover at least the cost to come out here on a plane. Also will insure everyone will show up. Keep hope alive you will get 10 or more!! I have told others about the idea and hope some will come through for you.

So how many do we have now...? Looking forward to the
'Great WHITE Tune' :D