no hypertech programmer any time soon

[Trailblazer1]

here is the response I got from the Hypertech tech support line. Maybe we should all email this guy "jim" from Hypertech and let him know that "anytime soon" is not an appropriate response.

"Stan

Nothing available yet and doubtful we will anytime soon. I'll enter a request to show interest and you'll also be notified when available. Thanks

Jim"

:(

[Fishhunter911]

welcome!!!!! dont waste your money on a Hypertech.... look into the Vector tune. cost less MORE power then hypertech will ever get.

[Trailblazer1]

the guy that has the problem with his computer and the lack of any resolution, has me a little worried about just how good vector really is. I'd like to wait a while and see if these guys really understand how important the little things are.

[Fishhunter911]

the guy that has the problem with his computer and the lack of any resolution, has me a little worried about just how good vector really is. I'd like to wait a while and see if these guys really understand how important the little things are.


Well, I will be easy on you:) The problem was not an "issue" or a "problem" with the tune. If you order the CORE you will have to have a crank relearn done which can be done by the dealer. If you send them YOURS you will not have an SES light. I have had mine for a lil over 2000 miles with NO problem. The pay attention to the little things. Take if from me and I am sure others will agree, their product is top notch. I had my crank relearn done and it took 5 mins and was not expensive at all. There is a resolution and it is being taken care of. There was a misscommunication and that resulted in bad info.

[Trailblazer1]

thanks:)
for taking it easy on me...I think I understand what the issue was, and is...if I were to use Vector I would definitely want a new reprogrammed core so that I could keep my stock one, just in case. I have a great relationship with my Chevy dealer having bought 25 cars in 19 years. I could probably get the relearn done for free, but then again, they do like money. I am still wondering if the gas was the issue, and also since I live in the northeast would I be better off getting the lower tune due to the quality of the gas in our area. I only buy premium, but then I would bet that TONY did too. :confused::confused:

[Fishhunter911]

Thats an Idea. I live in Delaware, and have not had an issue except when I used Wawa gas. Not sure if you know who they are as I dont know where you are located. Now I run citgo and Sunoco with no issues what so ever. I may purchase a stock ECM/TCM at somepoint to revert it back to stock. If you do live close to DE I would be willing to take you for a spin so you can see the difference this tune makes.

[TonyGXP]

Thats an Idea. I live in Delaware, and have not had an issue except when I used Wawa gas. Not sure if you know who they are as I dont know where you are located. Now I run citgo and Sunoco with no issues what so ever. I may purchase a stock ECM/TCM at somepoint to revert it back to stock. If you do live close to DE I would be willing to take you for a spin so you can see the difference this tune makes.


what issues with WaWa gas?? any codes or just less performance?I want the 93 or whatever tune is the best one, Chris, is there anything else we should know about?

[Fishhunter911]

what issues with WaWa gas?? any codes or just less performance?I want the 93 or whatever tune is the best one, Chris, is there anything else we should know about?


No codes or anything just some pinging on hard acceleration... didn't want to push it.

[westbayou]

There is another handheld programmer in the works other than Hypertech. I'll let you all know as I have more information. I've emphasized the market for one and they agree. Now they just need to get me the beta tester so we can get to work!

[TonyGXP]

No codes or anything just some pinging on hard acceleration... didn't want to push it.

pinging..not cool..and we're in the middle of winter??

how much or how many HP on the dyno are we losing with the "89" tune? (or whatever the lower one is)

[TonyGXP]

No codes or anything just some pinging on hard acceleration... didn't want to push it.

how can it ping? dosen't the knock sensor pull enough timing to avoid that??

[Fishhunter911]

how can it ping? dosen't the knock sensor pull enough timing to avoid that??

It was only a split second but I deffinatly heard it. Drove it easy untill next fill up. Put citgo 93 in drive for about 15 miles, Nailed it and no more ping. Now I know why Wawa is always 5 or 6 cents cheaper then everyone else. Also I think I remember Chris saying it was only a loss of 10 or so HP with the lower octane tune.

[GTPprix]

Wawa uses ethanol blended fuel which is a no no. It wont ping in the summer, the IAT scaler takes care of that.

[TonyGXP]

Wawa uses ethanol blended fuel which is a no no. It wont ping in the summer, the IAT scaler takes care of that.


thnx:D

[boSSsho]

Wawa uses ethanol blended fuel which is a no no. It wont ping in the summer, the IAT scaler takes care of that.

Chris, not to beat a dead horse, but the pinging concerns me. I have experienced no pinging with the Westers tune on my Sierra Denali (We spoke on the phone a few weeks ago), but my wife is nervous having a tune on her daily driver. I love the Westers on my Sierra Denali and the Technosquare on my G35, but again, neither have ever pinged in the winter or summer and I am in MA where the gas is complete $hit in the winter...same with NH, ME, etc...

Can you break down the HP and Trq figures for each tune you have out, thanks so much...I am looking forward to this evolving into sometihng very safe, proven and Kick A$$!:thumbsup:

[GTPprix]

As long as you dont run ethanol blended fuel you are in the clear. The 100% pledge covers this as well, if you arent happy we'll take care of it no reason to be scared :) We have oxygenated winter blend here as well and it's fine with the tune and as it gets warmer the IAT pulls timing anyhow so it's all good :)

Chris

[McNasty]

First post - hello all. I'm about 2-3 months out from purchasing an SS and have been following this topic for a little while now on the site.

This thread says oxygenated fuel is fine but ethanol blend is a no-no. My limited research indicates that "Ethanol is a widely used oxygenate that is blended with gasoline at a concentration of approximately 10 percent ethanol". In other words, oxygenated is the same as ethanol blend, no?

On a related note - does anyone know of a site which lists which companies do/do not use ethanol blended gas? Thanks!

[boSSsho]

First post - hello all. I'm about 2-3 months out from purchasing an SS and have been following this topic for a little while now on the site.

This thread says oxygenated fuel is fine but ethanol blend is a no-no. My limited research indicates that "Ethanol is a widely used oxygenate that is blended with gasoline at a concentration of approximately 10 percent ethanol". In other words, oxygenated is the same as ethanol blend, no?

On a related note - does anyone know of a site which lists which companies do/do not use ethanol blended gas? Thanks!

Good questions!:grouphug:

[Fishhunter911]

do a search I think there was a thread on this, I will try to find it! Found it but it doesnt talk much about ethanol but it does tak about Top Tier gasoline and what companies use them.... http://www.toptiergas.com/

[blautens]

do a search I think there was a thread on this, I will try to find it! Found it but it doesnt talk much about ethanol but it does tak about Top Tier gasoline and what companies use them.... http://www.toptiergas.com/

Here's the only problem with trying to buy what you think is top tier gas...it's very tough to tell where a station is getting gas from, unless it's company owned (and very few gas stations aren't actually franchises)...

I can't tell you how many Chevron's I've seen fill up with brand x gas...(and others). Unless you know and trust the owner, they're business owners, and they buy anything they can sell at a profit, not always what's on the sign (not criticizing their right to make money here, by the way).

Just a fact of life, at least around here. Of almost more importance is the age of the tank in the ground...the older the tank, the more likely something is in it you really don't want.

[jimmyjam]

Unless you know and trust the owner, they're business owners, and they buy anything they can sell at a profit, not always what's on the sign (not criticizing their right to make money here, by the way).I'm usually the guy who defends people's right to make money. Hell, I think the gas companies are fine charging what they are charging since we are still willing to buy overpriced gas. but if they're advertising their gas as superior due to techron additive (not only signs on the pumps but also commercials), isn't that false advertising, and unethical?

[mattcincy]

Here's the only problem with trying to buy what you think is top tier gas...it's very tough to tell where a station is getting gas from, unless it's company owned (and very few gas stations aren't actually franchises)...

I can't tell you how many Chevron's I've seen fill up with brand x gas...(and others). Unless you know and trust the owner, they're business owners, and they buy anything they can sell at a profit, not always what's on the sign (not criticizing their right to make money here, by the way).

Just a fact of life, at least around here. Of almost more importance is the age of the tank in the ground...the older the tank, the more likely something is in it you really don't want.

All of the UST's(underground Storage Tanks) have had to be replaced in the past 5 years or so. The age of the tanks is not a problem anymore. That's one of the reasons you have seen alot of stations shuting down since y2k.

However, there are states that don't make it mandatory for the station owners to actually sell the grade of gas they are advertising. I know that sounds crazy but we print a gasoline dealers newsletter here in Cincinnati, and in the state of Ohio, you can advertise 93 and be selling 87. That isn't true in all states; I know Kentucky and Indiana has to sell what they advertise but those three are all I know.

Your Government at work!

Matt

[Vector MS]

You can not hurt your engine running 91 octaine fuel or slightly bad fuel with the 93 octane tune. The Vector tune does not change the sensitivity of the knock sensors at all. The factory knock sensors will pull up to 15 degrees of timing if needed. That is more than half of the total timing.

Remember, these engines knock 3-4 degrees with the best 93 octain fuel you can run -From The Factory. With the 91 octane I see 6-7 degrees and hear it knock on a hard downshift - With the factory calibration.

In the owners manual "...use premium unleaded gasoline with a posted octane of 91 or higher. You may also use regular unleaded gasoline rated at 87 octane or higher, but your vehicles acceleration may be slightly reduced, and you may notice a slight audible knocking noise, commonly referred to as spark knock"


The factory is running these engines "on the knock sensors" all of the time. To make this much HP you need high compression and a lot of timing.

Through peak cylinder pressure we have no added timing.

I am just trying to state that a little pinging is not harmful to your engine. With the Vector tune I see NO knock when running 93 octane fuel, with the stock calibration I see 3 degrees.

[TonyGXP]

You can not hurt your engine running 91 octaine fuel or slightly bad fuel with the 93 octane tune. The Vector tune does not change the sensitivity of the knock sensors at all. The factory knock sensors will pull up to 15 degrees of timing if needed. That is more than half of the total timing.

Remember, these engines knock 3-4 degrees with the best 93 octain fuel you can run -From The Factory. With the 91 octane I see 6-7 degrees and hear it knock on a hard downshift - With the factory calibration.

In the owners manual "...use premium unleaded gasoline with a posted octane of 91 or higher. You may also use regular unleaded gasoline rated at 87 octane or higher, but your vehicles acceleration may be slightly reduced, and you may notice a slight audible knocking noise, commonly referred to as spark knock"


The factory is running these engines "on the knock sensors" all of the time. To make this much HP you need high compression and a lot of timing.

Through peak cylinder pressure we have no added timing.

I am just trying to state that a little pinging is not harmful to your engine. With the Vector tune I see NO knock when running 93 octane fuel, with the stock calibration I see 3 degrees.

I guess that's why you guys do what you do then...No knock with the Vector & 3* with the factory set up?? If that's accurate, I'm sold..Have any of your testers reported knock?? cause if what you say is true, how did we have a member say they heard pinging?? is that to be considered an enomoly? Iappreciate all the quick responses by the way, and in no way am I criticizing any vector tuners..

[Fishhunter911]

Like I said it was only a split second on cheap gas... then went away, takes a lil time to retard the timing. no biggie