ss may not be so ss

[2manytoyz]

i did some research this mornig top of our version of an ls2 is bothering me so i did some peeking on my wifes 04 yukon denali parts that are the same mas air same part# intake manifold witch really bothers me is the same one, and just about every thig else is to except throtle body theres been a thread on here about intake manifolds and why we shouldnt change it cause will lose power thats bull i live in houston and am going to go by motorsport technolagies[mti] today to talk to them about what parts to change out they are the place to go to if you have a high performance gm theve been in just about every performance mag out there with cars they built check out there web site when i find out everything il let you guys know we deserve better than this for what we payed for later

[Brew]

THE PART NUMBERS ARE THE SAME, BECAUSE THE 4.8,5.3 AND THE 6.0 ARE ALL THE SAME ENGINE, JUST SOME DIFFERENT INTERNALS!

[homertime]

That was the longest sentence I've ever read.

[mjd932]

That was the longest sentence I've ever read.
There wasn't even a period at the end so I guess it's the longest incomplete sentence I've ever read.

[TBSS]

I gave up after the 25th word with no punctuation.

[Dacomputernerd]

THE PART NUMBERS ARE THE SAME, BECAUSE THE 4.8,5.3 AND THE 6.0 ARE ALL THE SAME ENGINE, JUST SOME DIFFERENT INTERNALS!

ummmm, i dont think so... and thats 4.2L I6 not "4.8"

[Crash 02]

ummmm, i dont think so... and thats 4.2L I6 not "4.8"

Actually 4.8 refers to a V8 not an I6 engine. :)

[Dacomputernerd]

Actually 4.8 refers to a V8 not an I6 engine. :)

I thought we were referring to GMT-360 engines here?

[DTownWingNut]

I gave up after the 25th word with no punctuation.
I don't think I even got that far before it gave me a headache.

[2manytoyz]

sorry for the puncuation. just making a statment i dont live my life on here like you guys. im talking about the 6.0 yukon denali and the ss 6.0 this has nothing to do with any other trailblazer motor . the ss does not have corvette top end stuff it has regular truck stuff is all im trying to say ,if you dont own one it does not apply to you,so take what im saying with a grain of salt

[homertime]

haha we were just teasing...

But seriously, just for your information people get better response when there's punctuation and the entire thread isn't in caps.

THINKABOUTHOWHARDITWOULDBEIFYOUWEREINALLCAPSNOSPAC ESANDNOPUNCTUATIONIDJUSTMOVEONTOTHENEXTTHREAD

[sk_trailblaz]

:iagree:

He's looking for feedback on the engine application not his grammar.

I hope you find some good mods from motorsport technologies :) Keep us posted.

[Fishhunter911]

sorry for the puncuation. just making a statment i dont live my life on here like you guys. im talking about the 6.0 yukon denali and the ss 6.0 this has nothing to do with any other trailblazer motor . the ss does not have corvette top end stuff it has regular truck stuff is all im trying to say ,if you dont own one it does not apply to you,so take what im saying with a grain of salt


Actually a LOT of guy on here, wether they own an SS or not, now a ton of stuff about the GM motors. So don't dismiss the non SS owners on this site. We like to have fun on here, it is not all business, so when others poke fun at a post, take that with a grain of salt. It is a friendly way of saying it is easier to read with some punctuation.

As far as the SS goes, seeing as I am one of them, there a lot of difference in the 2 motors. Yes the outside may look the same, but the internals are different, as well as the way it is tuned and the exhaust. Do some searching on here and you will find the particulars. I am sure GTPprix will chime in here soon with some more, specific answers to your statement.:thumbsup:

[TonyGXP]

Actually a LOT of guy on here, wether they own an SS or not, now a ton of stuff about the GM motors. So don't dismiss the non SS owners on this site. We like to have fun on here, it is not all business, so when others poke fun at a post, take that with a grain of salt. It is a friendly way of saying it is easier to read with some punctuation.

As far as the SS goes, seeing as I am one of them, there a lot of difference in the 2 motors. Yes the outside may look the same, but the internals are different, as well as the way it is tuned and the exhaust. Do some searching on here and you will find the particulars. I am sure GTPprix will chime in here soon with some more, specific answers to your statement.:thumbsup:

whatever it has on it, in it, or under it, it sure is quick!!:rotfl:

[GTPprix]

So what it has the truck intake manifold? The car intake manifold wont clear the viscous coupling fan! The truck intake gives a smidgen more bottom end for what it gives up on the top, it's a trade off but it works. Heads, Block and rotating assembly are still LS2 (car or truck!) and who cares if the oil pan is different?

[Littleca]

All I know is that my SS FLIES.....................

[Black-Syth]

All I know is that my SS FLIES.....................

Which is exactly what I was thinking when I read the first post. It's still got 395HP and 395ft/lbs torque, so... peh to the fact that it's a similar or the same engine.

I only look at it being standardized as a benefit to the owners of the SS model. He may have a good point, if you can find performance parts for the 6.0 Yukon, they might be applicable to the TB. Just my :m2:.

[SloMo]

I am pretty sure that I read that the ls2 in the TBSS uses the truck intake for fit reasons and for low end power, where a 4500 lb suv needs it most. I could be wrong though.

[02redhawk]

i did some research this mornig top of our version of an ls2 is bothering me

In what way? Its 395hp, just 5hp shy of the C6/GTO LS2, and that's completely as a result of a belt-driven fan.

so i did some peeking on my wifes 04 yukon denali parts that are the same mas air

Its an 85mm MAF, same size as the GTO & C6's LS2....just with a different cal.


same part# intake manifold witch really bothers me is the same one,

Again, why? It provides *better* low-end torque than an LS2/LS6/FAST intake, which is exactly what heavy SUVs NEED. And apparently it still flows quite well, seeing that the HP & Tq peak #s are still in-line with the car-version LS2.


theres been a thread on here about intake manifolds and why we shouldnt change it cause will lose power thats bull

To correct you; the threads on here don't say that you'll lose power, but instead SHIFT your power higher in the RPM band....which, would be not a wise choice when you're trying to get a 4600# truck moving from a standstill.


i live in houston and am going to go by motorsport technolagies[mti] today to talk to them about what parts to change out they are the place to go to if you have a high performance gm theve been in just about every performance mag out there with cars they built check out there web site when i find out everything il let you guys know we deserve better than this for what we payed for later

MTI is a great company. I'm sure that they will tell you basically the same thing that every other post in this thread says - the intake is fine, the MAF is fine, etc.... The LS2 already has a set of very good heads (243 LS6-casting), running tight compression (10.9), and is solid as they come for future "wild" upgrades....

To be honest, I can't believe I paid this LITTLE for an SUV with sportscar-like performance, tons of creature-comforts, full leather interior, NAV system, seating for 5, and AWD!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[tBSSOldblue]

:iagree: Ive seen slips of a 2wd SS 12.6ish with a torque converter, tune, and a k&n. Under 1300 in mods :crazy: What other SUV can touch that for that price.

[TBSSTony]

:iagree: Ive seen slips of a 2wd SS 12.6ish with a torque converter, tune, and a k&n. Under 1300 in mods :crazy: What other SUV can touch that for that price.

Clever answer is...
'92-'93 GMC Typhoon. Could be done for around 30K when new, about 20K these days.

[Tommy]

sorry for the puncuation. just making a statment i dont live my life on here like you guys.

If you want people to understand your "statement" then write/type it with better grammar. Don't try and put down the members because the way you wrote it is an eyesore.

We are all here to help/talk to each other in a friendly, respectful manner.

Thank you,

[2manytoyz]

sorry to all il just keep my opinions to my self , as well as the $5000 worth of upgrades im doing later................................

[TBSS]

sorry to all il just keep my opinions to my self , as well as the $5000 worth of upgrades im doing later................................
Oh no! He's taking his ball and going home !!! :eek:

Suit yourself, you are welcome back anytime you like. :yes:

But if you come back and type without punctuation again, you know what to expect. :D

[Envoy Fan]

sorry to all il just keep my opinions to my self , as well as the $5000 worth of upgrades im doing later................................


:grouphug:

[mjd932]

I just lost a potential new best friend. I'm going to go cry now...:cry:

[BLUBYU]

Clever answer is...
'92-'93 GMC Typhoon. Could be done for around 30K when new, about 20K these days.

Yes they can run them times and better but there's no comparing the two suv's. Everything I've ever seen with friends and being around SY/TY you'd have to put a turbo upgrade,converter,alky mod,down pipe, chip, injectors just too name a few to go 12.5-12.8's.

[TonyGXP]

Yes they can run them times and better but there's no comparing the two suv's. Everything I've ever seen with friends and being around SY/TY you'd have to put a turbo upgrade,converter,alky mod,down pipe, chip, injectors just too name a few to go 12.5-12.8's.

:iagree: not to mention they rode like Sh*t when they were new...and how you think they ride now that they're 13yrs old??:rotfl: ........ and please don't try to go the "Jeep" route..that is the modern day Typhoon..overpriced, ride too stiff and no towing:raspberry .....

[traumadog]

Well, if you don't like the truck intake manifold, I bet you could try and fit a nice, polished Maggie for the LS2 in there just fine... :D

[2006 Blue TB SS]

sorry to all il just keep my opinions to my self , as well as the $5000 worth of upgrades im doing later................................

Probably not Canadian and certainly not the owner of a Blue TBSS :p

2manytoyz, you're missing the point here. People will be more likely to spend time helping you if your queries are easy to read (and understand). No one, to my knowledge, has ever made a judgment call regarding somebody based on their command of the English language. We all make mistakes but the whole point was to try to make it a little easier for people to understand what you were trying to say.

:grouphug:

[02redhawk]

Yes they can run them times and better but there's no comparing the two suv's. Everything I've ever seen with friends and being around SY/TY you'd have to put a turbo upgrade,converter,alky mod,down pipe, chip, injectors just too name a few to go 12.5-12.8's.

:rolleyes: How about a 12.78 with just a hotwired IC pump and a proper binary? Or a 12.49 for under $1k with stock turbo, stock airbox, stock DP, stock convertor, and thru the muffs?

Everything you named there, properly tuned, will take you to low 12's / 11's in a SyTy. If you're friends can only hit mid-high twelves with those, they need some help.... www.syty.org (http://www.syty.org), or contact Dig Bartholomay direct. :yes:

Sy/Tys will EASILY outrun & outgain a TBSS, dollar-for-dollar in mods.

:iagree: not to mention they rode like Sh*t when they were new...and how you think they ride now that they're 13yrs old??:rotfl: ........

Tony, are you a former owner? They certainly handle and corner better than our SS's. For all-out performance and handling, they crush our modern-day variant. :( But certainly, our SSs are much more plush & refined. They should be, though, for an extra $8-10k (or $15k more, if you were one of the lucky folk to pick up a new Syclone for only $16,900...).

[BLUBYU]

:rolleyes: How about a 12.78 with just a hotwired IC pump and a proper binary? Or a 12.49 for under $1k with stock turbo, stock airbox, stock DP, stock convertor, and thru the muffs?

Everything you named there, properly tuned, will take you to low 12's / 11's in a SyTy. If you're friends can only hit mid-high twelves with those, they need some help.... www.syty.org (http://www.syty.org), or contact Dig Bartholomay direct. :yes:

Sy/Tys will EASILY outrun & outgain a TBSS, dollar-for-dollar in mods.

I won't argue with you starting with a power adder from the factory is a huge jump! I knew someone would comment on 1 or a friends that ran an exeptional number! I've been on the website your talking about and many have had the modds I've stated or more to go into the 12's. Performance isn't linear!! Do I at all doubt you no. Don't count the LS2's out I've been brought up around GN's and t-types all my life and the new motors are much more advance!! But I'm not going too get in a pissing contest with our 12 second suv's:rotfl:

[TonyGXP]

:rolleyes: How about a 12.78 with just a hotwired IC pump and a proper binary? Or a 12.49 for under $1k with stock turbo, stock airbox, stock DP, stock convertor, and thru the muffs?

Everything you named there, properly tuned, will take you to low 12's / 11's in a SyTy. If you're friends can only hit mid-high twelves with those, they need some help.... www.syty.org (http://www.syty.org), or contact Dig Bartholomay direct. :yes:

Sy/Tys will EASILY outrun & outgain a TBSS, dollar-for-dollar in mods.



Tony, are you a former owner? They certainly handle and corner better than our SS's. For all-out performance and handling, they crush our modern-day variant. :( But certainly, our SSs are much more plush & refined. They should be, though, for an extra $8-10k (or $15k more, if you were one of the lucky folk to pick up a new Syclone for only $16,900...).

Like Mike, I was heavy into the Turbo 6 seen in my younger years, although never having owned one, I chose Mustangs & Z28's to get my jollies from!! I couldn't afford the turbo cars, by 94, when I could I was married with a child already, hold on for a few more years, turned into 10 and I had to keep the Family in mind, hence the GXP, now the SS..But I was involved with the GN's/T-Types since 90', my best friend had an 86 T-Type that ran 11.9's with barely anything done, stock Turbo & Heads, then he bought an 87' GN w12k on it, Factory moonroof, showed the car, got bored, bought an 89' Turbo T/A with 14k on it, ran that one but only stock, went 13.0's @110 in 89f days at Englishtown. mind you I worked on and drove all these cars, then he sold both and bought 87' GNX #433 with...96mi on it, showed it for a few years and got bored and bought a White 86' T-Type with 30k on it, ran this one to 11.55 @127 on a 9inch wide Nitto DR on 17" chrome wheels. (he also installed a $5k system in it, all PPI & Kenwood Nav/DVD rollout, with a custom bezel they reversed the position of the radio & climate controls & stealth installed sub box, all black carpet false floor, everything is hidden, 4-5 1/4's in each door behind the carpet),that was on the old engine the new one is Roller and Alky injected, should go mid10's..

In between I rode in and drove plenty of other Turbos including a couple Typhoons & Syclones,he had an infatuation with them, but they weren't able to go like the Buicks 3.8, and stay reliable back then we drove all over the eastcoast testing used ones, both the TY/SY, never bought one though...

the point is in the day they were awsome, but you can't compare those trucks to the SS, you really think the Typhoon handles better than the SS?? I beg to differ, just because it rides Stiff doesn't equate to it handling better, I think the SS would run circles around the Typhoon on a track, and be more comfortable doing it, as for speed? stock vs Stock? Syclone would beat a stock SS, probably be a nice run to my SS at consistent 13.5's, but the Typhoon stock was a 14 second truck..Just as you can "work" those Turbos, you can easily strap an N2o kit on ours for $500or so and be runnin low 12's...but doing it in a much more sophisticated truck..That's a fact..Dollar for Dollar?? I am not so sure about that analogy, if we get into an 11 second SS, maybe you have a point but not anywhere in the 12's, can run the N2o safely up to 125hp and hit low 12's rather easily..

I'll get you some pics of the T-Type when we run it, having issues with the new Alky system right now. oh and he sold the GNX for over 54k with 106mi on it (bought it for 42K, had it for 3 1/2 yrs) I have all these cars on video, but not digital, I'll take some pics with my cam and see if they come out..

[02redhawk]

the point is in the day they were awsome, but you can't compare those trucks to the SS, you really think the Typhoon handles better than the SS?? I beg to differ, just because it rides Stiff doesn't equate to it handling better, I think the SS would run circles around the Typhoon on a track, and be more comfortable doing it, as for speed? stock vs Stock? Syclone would beat a stock SS, probably be a nice run to my SS at consistent 13.5's, but the Typhoon stock was a 14 second truck..Just as you can "work" those Turbos, you can easily strap an N2o kit on ours for $500or so and be runnin low 12's...but doing it in a much more sophisticated truck..That's a fact..Dollar for Dollar?? I am not so sure about that analogy, if we get into an 11 second SS, maybe you have a point but not anywhere in the 12's, can run the N2o safely up to 125hp and hit low 12's rather easily..


We can agree to disagree, that's cool. :yes: Having owned one, once heavily involved in the SyTy crowd for nearly 10 years, I'm still of the other opinion. I did manage to remember one good reference for ya from back in the day. Took a little bit to find the site, but here it is... MikeV's Syclone ran a 12.49 with no other power-adders besides an ATR Pitbull chip (which was a pretty *poor* cal we all later discovered)... Under $500 invested and running sub 12.5's. Unfortunately, we can't do that in our SS's... With a GREAT VMS tune, AWD SS's will be at 13.49's, roughly a full second slower. http://www.enzoco.com/mike/syclone/syty.htm

[ttdolson]

:iagree: As fast as the SS's are....I still think that my "very" lightly moded Typhoon would have walked all over my SS...Those old Sy/Ty's were brutally fast.

As far as handling, I think that the SS wins.

I love both trucks and will someday own another Sy/Ty.

[sloe77]

Wow, you SS guys are very passionate about this stuff, I love it! :)

[ScarabEpic22]

haha we were just teasing...

But seriously, just for your information people get better response when there's punctuation and the entire thread isn't in caps.

THINKABOUTHOWHARDITWOULDBEIFYOUWEREINALLCAPSNOSPAC ESANDNOPUNCTUATIONIDJUSTMOVEONTOTHENEXTTHREAD
Damn man, you gave me a headache trying to read that last part.:duh:


And, I really wish I could drive a Sy/Ty or an SS!!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

[02redhawk]

But don't get me wrong, guys... My example above definitely wasn't the 'norm' for Sy/Tys, but it sets a good example for what a well set-up one would do (even with a scary binary like ATR's). We SS owners have a bit of catching up to do (pun intended), and it certainly will be fun doing it... :yes: :yes: Thankfully, we're still talking about GM-product here, too!

This sort of debate will surely hash itself out on trailvoy and other similar sites (like syty.org) probably another dozen times in the next couple years, with no real consensus ever being reached. That's the whole fun of it; if everyone agreed then there'd be no sake of discussion.

Of course, I'm sure we can try to steer this to a "which SS is faster" debate...although there's nothing much to debate there, either... because we all already know that Silverstone is the fastest color. :p

[Fishhunter911]

But don't get me wrong, guys... My example above definitely wasn't the 'norm' for Sy/Tys, but it sets a good example for what a well set-up one would do (even with a scary binary like ATR's). We SS owners have a bit of catching up to do (pun intended), and it certainly will be fun doing it... :yes: :yes: Thankfully, we're still talking about GM-product here, too!

This sort of debate will surely hash itself out on trailvoy and other similar sites (like syty.org) probably another dozen times in the next couple years, with no real consensus ever being reached. That's the whole fun of it; if everyone agreed then there'd be no sake of discussion.

Of course, I'm sure we can try to steer this to a "which SS is faster" debate...although there's nothing much to debate there, either... because we all already know that Silverstone is the fastest color. :p


I must agree with you there!!!!!! But not my Silverstone :no: My times suck!

[SSportWagon]

:no: My times suck!

Duuuude, you're posting numbers that would CRUSH alot of major sought-after Muscle car Dream Machines ... all while driving a +4600# truck :hail: :hail:

Thats DAMN impressive....

[Z06 Tom]

sorry for the puncuation. just making a statment i dont live my life on here like you guys...

Hey, I don't LIVE here, just vacation here. I'd change the curtains if I lived here...

[EssEss]

I will have to check mine...

Kind of off topic but 2manytoyz, with all due respect, your posts crack me up. Every time it is one LONG, un-punctuated sentence. Dude, give a shout out to a comma or period once in a while. :rotfl:

I got him in another thread. :laugh: