New news from K&N on CAI

[SoochSS]

This is from today looks like they are about 3 months out from K&N[/FONT]

SoochSS

The proto type kit is on its last road trip (500 miles) once that’s done we’ll do a final check for horse power gains and make sure the vehicle didn’t through a codes then go into production. It should take about 2-3 months to have intake in stock.[/FONT]]
Bert Heck
K&N Engineering, Inc
Performance Kits Manager
951-826-4000 ext. 4488

[matt_ss]

This is from today looks like they are about 3 months out from K&N[/FONT]

SoochSS

The proto type kit is on its last road trip (500 miles) once that’s done we’ll do a final check for horse power gains and make sure the vehicle didn’t through a codes then go into production. It should take about 2-3 months to have intake in stock.[/FONT]]
Bert Heck
K&N Engineering, Inc
Performance Kits Manager
951-826-4000 ext. 4488


wonder if this one will require a retune of the computer to get the full gains..

[SoochSS]

Other I have bought for mY 99ss and 00ss didn't but we'll see I wouldn't imagine though.

[Dacomputernerd]

So this will for for the 5.3L too?

[GTPprix]

If it removes the neck down, it'll require a retune. Notice they never said anything about checking A/F? hehe Thats because they wont.. It'll probably gain 5 horse and they'll call it good just because it didnt "set any codes" Alot of my friends are ex K&N engineers ;)

[SSportWagon]

I wonder if they know its causing you guys to consider a Contact Cleaner Injection system .... guaranteed to clean you MAF of K&N Oil by simple to actuate cockpit IR switch :rolleyes:


....just press every 500 miles :weird:

[Trailblazer1]

have been running K&N filters and cold air intakes on my cars and trucks for alot of years now and have never, ever had a problem with the maf sensor...not from their original factory oiling, or any cleaning and oiling I ever did...also never had a problem with any tuning issues codes performance or anything else...I realize Chris that you have a vested interest in promoting your product...but you are not the only game in town.

[ghoster]

I realize Chris that you have a vested interest in promoting your product...but you are not the only game in town.

:confused: Whats that gotta do with anything?

[ScarabEpic22]

have been running K&N filters and cold air intakes on my cars and trucks for alot of years now and have never, ever had a problem with the maf sensor...not from their original factory oiling, or any cleaning and oiling I ever did...also never had a problem with any tuning issues codes performance or anything else...I realize Chris that you have a vested interest in promoting your product...but you are not the only game in town.
Whoa killer!!

Dude, all Chris is saying is that when a CAI is put on these trucks and the MAF neck-down is removed, freeing up the airflow, the a/f ratio leans out dangerously at WOT.

Personally, I would get tuning program that allows me to read a/f ratios, a vector tune and cai, and also a K&N CAI. Then, run the K&N alone with the stock tuning and see what the a/f ratio is. It will probably be skewed. Then, replace with vector CAI and do the same thing. Same result. Then, put the vector tune in, and redo the previous tests. Something tells me that the a/f ratio will be much better the second time around and as a bonus your truck will be faster too.

[TonyGXP]

:confused: Whats that gotta do with anything?

Here's the problem when Chris speaks on a forum promoting another brands products, regardless if he's right or wrong, it will appear as if he is knocking the product..he may be right in this particular case, although before saying they aren't checking the A/F we should inquire as not to spread rumors..

I am pretty sure Chris can defend himself, so let him do that.

[ghoster]

Here's the problem when Chris speaks on a forum promoting another brands products, regardless if he's right or wrong, it will appear as if he is knocking the product..he may be right in this particular case, although before saying they aren't checking the A/F we should inquire as not to spread rumors..

I am pretty sure Chris can defend himself, so let him do that.:

Why would I defend him? I don't know him and he doesn't do anything for my truck. I just read the thread and it seemed odd that his comment would get the stern response that it did. I guess I missed the connection that was made.:cool:

[Trailblazin]

ok, well what Chris does is purely related to a TBSS. He may have a couple more projects on his hand, but so far Chris seems to be the first guy to come out with a plausible tune for the TBSS.

K&N on the other hand are trying to make at least 50 vehicles per year on their option list...Chris would probaly have tired and tested his CAI at least 50times to perfect it where as K&N would have done at least 10 tests to see whether its good enough....

All the ppl are trying to point out here is the truth. For example, VOLANT vs K&N on the inline 6s. The volant has pulled more HP then the K&N simply by moooore research and development... I don't think Chris on the other hand would BS just to try and score some extra revenue.

He is a respected vendor so far on Trailvoy, and his tunes seem to be one of the first things a TBSS owner wants. In order to keep this reputation he has to prove his point. No one is defending him, but common sense shows Chris knows the inside of the TBSS inside and out MOOOORE the K&N does.

there you have it.

[sk_trailblaz]

A few weeks ago there was a discussion about the Westers tune for the 5.3L on the following thread, http://forums.trailvoy.com/showthread.php?t=5713

The thread has since been "edited" by the site administrators. This one will likely be edited as well.

To make a long story short, Chris commented that the dual tune has the potential of damaging an engine and the companies that tune them are ghetto. I was shocked that one vendor could badmouth another like that. I contacted Brian at Westers to raise my concern. He told me not to worry and that those comments are untrue. Minutes later many of the posts were deleted.

I fail to understand why some people have to go out of their way to make negative comments about other companies? :(

I should also mention that I have the dual tune in my TB and after thousands of KMs later, I couldnt be happier...no codes...no troubles and nothing bad to speak of...I would buy from (and recommend) Westers in a heartbeat.

[GTPprix]

I made that statement simply because making an engine knock into a lower octane table (which is the only way to do a dual tune with no user interaction) was pretty ghetto. Anything that requires detonation to function is a little out there.. Lyndon PM'ed me and asked me to remove that so as a courtesy I did.

Ask any other tuner if they think making an engine knock to engage a function is a good idea lol

[BLUBYU]

Chris why would any tuner want too cause knock? Makes no sense?

[sk_trailblaz]

Everyones entitled to an opinion :laugh:

Until it starts knocking (which I dont expect to happen) I will have to trust that Westers has done extensive R&D with the dual tune application...I know they have a good rep and stand behind their work :)

[GTPprix]

Chris why would any tuner want too cause knock? Makes no sense?

To switch into the low octane table ;)

There are two spark maps in most ECM/PCM's (New flex fuel compatible units have more spark area and modifiers such as a % of alcohol calculation) Good Fuel Spark and you guessed it; Bad Fuel Spark.

Dual fuel tuning simply means for the most part tuning the Good Fuel table and modifying the knock counts to switch into the low table. Technically all of our ECM's are dual fuel since we leave the low octane table alone, however we leave the DTC thats set on so you will set an SES with bad gas.

The thing is unless it's a SEVERE knock most people wont even hear it unless they have a trained ear. Is it going to blow your motor? Nah, probably not! But it isnt necessarily the proper way to go about switching spark tables and will beat up the ring lands a little..

[PediDr2]

... I don't think (blank) on the other hand would BS just to try and score some extra revenue.
(no slam on Chris, just an observation)
Here's the problem, many of us who have been in this for a while have seen crooks, scams, liars, etc. who will say and promise anything to make a buck.
Also often the first isn't always the best. Many of us have seen the trends and fads change. Time tested and independent dyno/track testing usually separates the real from the not. Hard data and not opinion mean more.
Again no specific criticism just an explanation of why some of us are cautious and questioning and won't just jump on the band wagon because it's popular.

[Black Ice]

Guys we will keep this discussion civil trust me! take the gloves off.

[GTPprix]

Guys we will keep this discussion civil trust me! take the gloves off.

No worries mate ;) This is actually very civil and people are bringing out some excellent points!

Like PediDr2 I agree with you 100%! :)

[Fishhunter911]

oh man Larry took off the gloves, look out!!!!:D

[SoochSS]

Sorry if I started anything on this topic just letting people now what I have been researching. Giving people options is what it is about and then it is up to the individual to make an informed choice. Chris makes good products as shown from the results everyone is seeing and others use Westers, dailbo, HP etc... and have seen good results I am sure there will be plenty more options as time goes by. Not all gains are the same and never will be but like the saying says different strokes for different folks. We need to just stick together and keep each other informed of things that can benefit us and things that will not benefit us. :thumbsup: We are all out for the same thing best bang for the buck!!!!!:D

[Fishhunter911]

Well said!!!!:thumbsup:

[Trailblazer1]

I guess now it's my turn. I was not trying to say Chris and Vector MS are not doing a great job. We need the independents out there furthering the r&d to let the big guys know that there is a demand for their interest and products. I am very impressed by the fact that he is one of the only people doing both the ecm and tcm. I, as this TBSS is my third Trailblazer, have been incredibly disappointed in the lack of aftermarket support for our vehicles, and it seemed to me that he was taking a shot at a company that has been around a few years now (K&N) and has to date provided us enthusiasts with a well engineered and very high quality product. I may well wind up with a VMS tune in my SS, that is if Chris would still sell to me, but I am going to research all my modifications thoroughly. While I am doing this research I would prefer to put my money where the results are, and perhaps not in a company that promotes his product by criticizing another.:m2::undecided:)

[Fishhunter911]

I guess now it's my turn. I was not trying to say Chris and Vector MS are not doing a great job. We need the independents out there furthering the r&d to let the big guys know that there is a demand for their interest and products. I am very impressed by the fact that he is one of the only people doing both the ecm and tcm. I, as this TBSS is my third Trailblazer, have been incredibly disappointed in the lack of aftermarket support for our vehicles, and it seemed to me that he was taking a shot at a company that has been around a few years now (K&N) and has to date provided us enthusiasts with a well engineered and very high quality product. I may well wind up with a VMS tune in my SS, that is if Chris would still sell to me, but I am going to research all my modifications thoroughly. While I am doing this research I would prefer to put my money where the results are, and perhaps not in a company that promotes his product by criticizing another.:m2::undecided:)


I have known Chris for some time, and I do not see it as Criticizing, as I see it as an information, that is not readily available. If he knows about the products inside and out, then he should share with the class so we all know what to look for. and that is my:m2:

[STEALTH SS]

This is from today looks like they are about 3 months out from K&N[/FONT]

SoochSS

The proto type kit is on its last road trip (500 miles) once that’s done we’ll do a final check for horse power gains and make sure the vehicle didn’t through a codes then go into production. It should take about 2-3 months to have intake in stock.[/FONT]]
Bert Heck
K&N Engineering, Inc
Performance Kits Manager
951-826-4000 ext. 4488

Does the K/N CAI kit remove the neckdown before the mass air ?