Next ICE install: NAVI

[jimmyjam]

I freaked out last night and went crazy on ebay..


Pioneer AVIC-D1 Double DIN Navigation Head Unit
Pioneer GEX-P10XMT XM Add-on
Pioneer CD-IB100 iPod Interface Add-on
Apple iPod Mini 6GB
Dynamat Xtreme Door Kit (for rear doors)
Infinity 605CS 6.5" components (for rear, woofers only, gonna bandpass 100-2K)
Soundgate REMPIOGM- Pioneer Remote/GM Steering Wheel Adapter
BAA4 GM Radio Antenna Adapter
Peripheral GMCO GM Chime/Data-bus Module
Escort 8500 x50 Blue


I'll put up some detailed install pics once I get it all in. I'm going to permenantly disable OnStar, I'm considering replacing the rear quarter glass antenna with an on-glass XM antenna instead of the stubby on the roof.

[MoJoe]

If I had a drooling smilie, I will be using it now. Lucky dog. :D

[jdits7]

I was just looking at that head unit this morning. Very nice unit.
Definitely need pics when you get it all in.

[deathbynosleep]

I freaked out last night and went crazy on ebay..


Pioneer AVIC-D1 Double DIN Navigation Head Unit
Pioneer GEX-P10XMT XM Add-on
Pioneer CD-IB100 iPod Interface Add-on
Apple iPod Mini 6GB
Dynamat Xtreme Door Kit (for rear doors)
Infinity 605CS 6.5" components (for rear, woofers only, gonna bandpass 100-2K)
Soundgate REMPIOGM- Pioneer Remote/GM Steering Wheel Adapter
BAA4 GM Radio Antenna Adapter
Peripheral GMCO GM Chime/Data-bus Module
Escort 8500 x50 Blue


I'll put up some detailed install pics once I get it all in. I'm going to permenantly disable OnStar, I'm considering replacing the rear quarter glass antenna with an on-glass XM antenna instead of the stubby on the roof.

Awesome. I think i'm the only person left that doesn't own an mp3 player.

[ENVOY2LOW43]

Cooooool! Pioneer AV1C....the best...I still dream 'bout that....needs a ton of savin'... :cool:

[jimmyjam]

Cooooool! Pioneer AV1C....the best...I still dream 'bout that....needs a ton of savin'... :cool:I'm not sure its the best but, with the add-ons, it does what I want it to.. might add a dvd player in the glove box, I think the
6 disc DVD changer (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4025_35054,00.html) is going a little overboard...

[ENVOY2LOW43]

I'm not sure its the best but, with the add-ons, it does what I want it to.. might add a dvd player in the glove box, I think the
6 disc DVD changer (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4025_35054,00.html) is going a little overboard...

For me it's the tops...AVIC D1 or N2...it has dvd, navi, vehicle dynamics...what more can you ask for? I don't think there's any h.u. that has all these features.

[Jman423]

Hey JimmyJam, do you give out loans? :laugh:

What'd you do, hit up a bank? :D

[jimmyjam]

For me it's the tops...AVIC D1 or N2...it has dvd, navi, vehicle dynamics...what more can you ask for? I don't think there's any h.u. that has all these features.
D1 doesn't play DVDs. The DVD slot ONLY works with the navi dvd. at least thats what the manual says. Not sure why they didn't put dual dvd-roms in it..
whatever, I just want iPod and XM and I'll be ultra happy

[02EnvoySLE Guy]

I'm going to permenantly disable OnStar, I'm considering replacing the rear quarter glass antenna with an on-glass XM antenna instead of the stubby on the roof.

Not a bad idea... I like the one I'm using:

:m2:

Sounds like a nice setup you're putting in! :cool:

[triz]

Just curious why would you want to disable the OnStar? With all the stuff on that truck arent you worried it will be more attractive to thieves? :confused:

[jimmyjam]

Not a bad idea... I like the one I'm using:Is that the Antenna Specialists one? I bought that today as a matter of fact :)

[jimmyjam]

Just curious why would you want to disable the OnStar? With all the stuff on that truck arent you worried it will be more attractive to thieves? :confused:
I don't think onstar is going to stop someone from taking a crowbar to my window. which brings up a question, I bought a flashing LED to put on my dash, but I'm not sure if I should.. I don't know if it would deter people or lure them...

[deathbynosleep]

I don't think onstar is going to stop someone from taking a crowbar to my window. which brings up a question, I bought a flashing LED to put on my dash, but I'm not sure if I should.. I don't know if it would deter people or lure them...

I think it would draw more attention, but at the same time i think it would make them think twice about breaking in.

[triz]

I don't think onstar is going to stop someone from taking a crowbar to my window. which brings up a question, I bought a flashing LED to put on my dash, but I'm not sure if I should.. I don't know if it would deter people or lure them...

I dont think it would either but it might help if they decide to just take the whole truck. :m2:

[sallen]

wow jimmy i am jealous, i will defianatly have to drive to coco to come see it, i sure do wish i could afford it

shay

[jimmyjam]

I dont think it would either but it might help if they decide to just take the whole truck. :m2:
See, heres the reason I don't buy into onstar. If you're smart enough to hotwire a GM car, then you probably know about onstar and have done your homework, and you know that if you cut the antenna cable, then onstar gets no cellular reception and is useless. I disconnected the cable from the antenna today and when you do the light turns red on the mirror. I tried to connect to onstar and it just kept beeping.

[ENVOY2LOW43]

D1 doesn't play DVDs. The DVD slot ONLY works with the navi dvd. at least thats what the manual says. Not sure why they didn't put dual dvd-roms in it..
whatever, I just want iPod and XM and I'll be ultra happy

Yeah your right, I did some research, only N1/N2 plays dvd video playback....but hey they're still awesome! A lot of features...gotta get me one of those... :cool:

[Jman423]

wow jimmy i am jealous, i will defianatly have to drive to coco to come see it, i sure do wish i could afford it

shay
Afford what? All of the toys that are making us jealous, or the ride to Cocoa? I have been dying to fond a reason to go out to Cocoa since I bought my truck, we can jet out there one day in my truck if thats what you can't afford! ;) :D

[02EnvoySLE Guy]

Is that the Antenna Specialists one? I bought that today as a matter of fact :)

Yup, sure is. It's the 12" version. As you can probably tell, I still have the onstar antenna on the glass also. :D

[sallen]

Afford what? All of the toys that are making us jealous, or the ride to Cocoa? I have been dying to fond a reason to go out to Cocoa since I bought my truck, we can jet out there one day in my truck if thats what you can't afford! ;) :D


lol the toy's i have wanted the touch screen nav unit since the day i found one on the web, lol its bookmarked but i might fall for the hand held unit for the dash they are getting cheep,
but yea i am willing to ride out with ya to coco i am always looking for an excuse to take a small road trip

shay

[jimmyjam]

The deed is done. She put up a good fight...
http://gallery.trailvoy.com/data/500/HU_close.jpg
90°? sure felt worse than that! The humidity is florida is horrible lately. In florida its not hot enough to fry an egg, but its humid enough to poach it!
More pics in gallery...
XM IF went above the dead pedal, iPod IF went in the center console. Also installed a blinking LED on the dash behind the light sensor.

[Envoy Fan]

The deed is done. She put up a good fight...


Sweet install. Any pics during the install? About how long did the install take?

[sallen]

wow, that is beautiful, how much was that thing and does it work with onstar,

shay

[XTREEME]

Very nice job! :yes:

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[jimmyjam]

fo sho
http://home.earthlink.net/~jimmy_jam/trailblazer
I meant to take more pics but after a while I was to busy fighting for my life in the heat to worry about that.
umm.. install time... 2 days? It was so hot I couldn't stay out there for more than 30 mins at a time so I did it nice and slow. If I had the info I posted on my website before hand and an air-conditioned garage I'd say I could install it as well as wire the amp in 3 hours. Without an amplifier I'd say an hour for the head unit.

and, you can get an onstar adapter for it. I've given links in a previous post, bust a search dawg.

[MoJoe]

Nice install. I will one of these dasy break down and buy a NAV unit. Still can't decide on portable or HU style.

[Tommy]

fo sho
http://home.earthlink.net/~jimmy_jam/trailblazer (http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ejimmy_jam/trailblazer)
I meant to take more pics but after a while I was to busy fighting for my life in the heat to worry about that.
umm.. install time... 2 days? It was so hot I couldn't stay out there for more than 30 mins at a time so I did it nice and slow. If I had the info I posted on my website before hand and an air-conditioned garage I'd say I could install it as well as wire the amp in 3 hours. Without an amplifier I'd say an hour for the head unit.

and, you can get an onstar adapter for it. I've given links in a previous post, bust a search dawg.

Can we convert that into an article for the site?

[jimmyjam]

Can we convert that into an article for the site?
Yeah, by all means, go for it. I wish I had taken pictures of the steering wheel and radio harness to note the wires like I did for the gauge harness. If someone happens to have their dash apart and wants to take some I'd be glad to anotate them...

[Tommy]

Cool, :cool: I will put it together and post it up in the articles section. I'll rehost the images and give you the credit of course. :)

Thanks,

[jimmyjam]

Something cool I found out: with the Soundgate REMPIOGM steering wheel adapter you lose AC controls. But now the fan control is up/down (like next folder/previous folder for iPod) and the temp control up is next track while temp control down is attenuate. AM/FM is band and what used to be next track is next source. I never used the AC controls on the steering wheel anyway and I LOVE having more control over the stereo from my steering wheel!

Now if only I could get custom pictures painted on the buttons....

[Tommy]

I dont think i have ac controls on my wheel. Or if i do, i never new they were there. :confused:

[Kirby Baker]

Hows the new XM interface on that? I just took a look at Pioneers site, and it seems they have gotten over the 16 character limit! At least the picture here (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pio/pe/images/portal/cit_3430/224846607AVIC-D1%20xm%20display%20-%20small.jpg) indicates that, with the group "The Red Hot Chili Peppers" being well over 16 characters.

This Pioneer HU looks pretty cool, and have to say that I like the appearance of it much better then the Alpine IVA-D300. Never had a Pioneer HU, how are they for performance? I would guess not on par with Alpine, but then again Alpine is going to cost about 2-3 times the cost to get the D300 and nav.

Is there any way to use the built in NAV radio's antenna? Or the XM antenna? I'd rather not tear into my dash just to see what the connectors look like, if anyone out there already knows.

[jimmyjam]

The XM interface is pretty tightly integrated into it. By comparison, the Sirius module that pioneer sells is just a generic AUX device. I think that if the XM box was just an aux device then it wouldn't be as capable as it is. I'm extremely happy with it, its very easy to use. One gripe is that if you don't live in an area where navtraffic is available there is a bug where a window keeps popping up saying "XM updating". You have to unplug the data cable which causes you to lose stock tickers and sports updates. They say it'll be fixed in the next release of the software (I better not have to pay for it!)

As far as its competition goes, Pioneer might not be the highest performance model but it is undeniably the best value. I got the HU, XM and iPod adapters for $500 less than the eclipse or kenwood nav systems without that capability. Granted, the AVIC-D1 doesn't play DVDs, but I can get an external DVD/TV tuner off of ebay for $100 if I really want it. Supposedly the AVIC-D2 will play DVDs. I've had Alpine HUs and I can't say I'm crazy about them. They perform well but esthetically I think they're unattractive; I think the styling clashes with most car interiors IMO.

[02EnvoySLE Guy]

Very slick install... "How much did that cost??" --- "More than you can afford, pal!" :raspberry :duh:

[jimmyjam]

you can't take the money with you...
...can't take credit card debt with you either! :) :worried: :cry:

[MoJoe]

you can't take the money with you...
...can't take credit card debt with you either! :) :worried: :cry:

How true is that :yes:

[Dave]

Nice install! I can live without some of the steering wheel controls in order to have a NAV system. The one steering wheel control I miss is a "mute" feature that was on my Grand Prix. SWC for the DIC is pretty much what I need in the Trailblazer. I rarely use the rest since I'm use to driving my CTS V (It only has SWC for TCS and digital gages). I think I used the SWC for the Climate Control system a few times when I bought it.

I would love to put in a NAV system in my Trailblazer. I keep telling the wife needs one so she can find the stores easier.

[Kirby Baker]

They say it'll be fixed in the next release of the software (I better not have to pay for it!)

Where did you get that info? From Pioneer? Or XM? I wonder how they would do a software upgrade? Maybe some way to send it over XM or to burn a disc and "boot" the radio from it?

I agree that this unit looks very nice! In fact, I just threw away my system quote sheet for Alpine stuff! This HU is exactly what I want in looks and features. I will just have to live with a possible performance loss compared to some of my old systems, but it should still be a big improvement over the Bose system.

Cant wait to see some of the operational pics on your site! Whats taking so long, the night is still young!! :p

[jimmyjam]

Its a problem with the software on the nav unit, which can be updated via new map dvds. On the pioneer website there is a link to get free update discs for the AVIC-N1 so I think it will be the same for the D1...

OK I updated my site with screenshots. no nav yet though, I gotta drive somewhere further away from my house first...

[02EnvoySLE Guy]

you can't take the money with you...
...can't take credit card debt with you either! :) :worried: :cry:

ah yes, very true. One small problem: you have to have the money in the first place in order to spend it! :worried:

[Kirby Baker]

Jimmyjmam,

Thanks for getting some functional pics up last night! Looks pretty cool! I'm curious though, were you able to confirm that on XM it will in fact display more than 16 characters of the song title or group name? This has been a real sore spot with me and previous XM tuners, because I have seen cases in the past where they mock up a display to show more than 16, and then after I purchased the very same unit, it would only do 16 characters, and not scrolling to get more. Dont know if this was just an alpine problem, or XM overall.

Also, whats up with the IPOD screen? Dont seen any song info, isnt that HU supposed to display the song info?

The vehicle stats screen looks cool, difficult to wire that up? or are there pretty good instructions on it? Do you have to splice into vehicle wiring or just simply plug into the data bus or something?

Looks like on your MP3 disc the display is limited to 20 characters. Would have been nice if Pioneer could have formulated some sort of display like the XM song info screen.

Oveall, sweet install, and awesome HU, think I am going to have to get one!

[jimmyjam]

Actually I think that the song title is limited to 16 characters. Thats why I included the picture of "Keep their heads" should be "keep their heads ringing" That is 16 characters as you can see. I wonder how many chars the standalone XM radios support...

There is nothing to attach for the vehicle dynamics. It just uses the speed sensor input, everything else is calculated from sensors in the box, probably a combination of gps as well as slope sensor, compass...

I wish the MP3 display would use ID3 tags to make track selection more intuitive. As far as the iPod screen goes, the manual shows track artist/title... I haven't played with it much, I hope I'm just doing something wrong...

[Kirby Baker]

So XM strikes again. If you look at the picture I linked a few posts back, you will see where they have display the full "The Red Hot Chili Peppers" on XM44. Thats 25. I've had an Alpine tuner, the one built in my Buick, and a home Polk receiver, and I dont recall any doing over 16 characters, but will check the Polk when I can. Problem with that is now summer is here and trees block the antenna.

Back on my last vehicle when I had the Alpine system, I even was talking to tech support at both XM and Alpine and neither of them seemed to comprehend the issue, or were conveniently playing stupid! :rolleyes:

[jimmyjam]

Inquiry:I just installed my AVIC-D1, GEX-P10XMT, and CD-IB100 iPod adapter.
What is the deal with the iPod adapter? Can I only get 8 characters of the song title out of it? Also, in the manual the source icon says iPod, on mine it comes up as a generic EXT-1 device. Am I doing something wrong? It also says something about scrolling the title in the manual (Note on page 9), which I don't understand. Thanks in advance for your response.

Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics, Inc.
The view you have is correct. The i-POD adapter is very basic and does not integrate well with this model. The one shown in the manual is the AVH-P5700DVD unit.
To scroll the title, you will select function 3 and then press and hold the send button. The title will then scroll once.
Funny that they don't tell you this BEFORE you buy it :duh:
Still, it doesn't really bother me, all my mp3s are organized by album so going through the albums isn't too hard... and the sound quality is GREAT.
I wish I could get source code and a dev kit for my head unit. I could make it so much more functinal...

[Kirby Baker]

You just have to love how they market things like this. So were you able to get any song info to display? I remember your one photo of the IPOD looked to be empty.

Yeah it would be nice to get a SDK for this unit and write some better stuff for it. In terms of IPOD interfaces, it appears that only Alpine has one that really works 100%. Its too bad that Pioneer would make such a crippled adapter. The whole HU design is what I want, not one like the Alpine flip up screens. Obviously I am in the minority though, since few make units like this (Pioneer, Eclipse, who else?).

[jimmyjam]

You get 8 chars of aritst, album, or track. Thats it. <shrug> Its not optimal but compared to the XM adapter, it was cheap so I'm no tthat hung up about it. If you aren't happy about 16 chars on XM you'll hate it though :x
I guess there is a flip-up model that integrates with it better...

You should check out work-n-show's kenwood setup, he's got lots of goodies hooked up to it and he likes it.

[Kirby Baker]

My problem is that I really prefer XM over Sirius. So that makes units like the Kenwood and Eclipse out of the running just from that standpoint. Maybe I should re-evaluate my Sat radio choice. I can deal with 16 characters on XM, my only real beef with 16 is that XM and their receiver manufacturers have always put out press photos showing full song/artist/album info beyond 16 characters, and from what I understand in the legal world, thats false advertising. :mad:

I guess I am just going to have to make a list of what I want and how important it is, then see what HU's fit the bill best. I know my listening will be almost entirely XM (or Sirius) and iPod, with the sat having the lead. I really like the display of the new XM receiver on your HU. Even at 16 characters! :)

I wonder if Pioneer will ever expand on the features of the iPod interface (maybe a new revision) that would make it more like the XM interface? That would be ideal.

[jimmyjam]

I really hope they enhance it in future releases. THe nice thing about these is that they are all software and can be upgraded easily via new dvds.
People with the AVH-P5700DVD HU love the ipod interface. I can't imagine that it would be so hard to port that to the d1...

[Jman423]

The deed is done. She put up a good fight...
90°? sure felt worse than that! The humidity is florida is horrible lately. In florida its not hot enough to fry an egg, but its humid enough to poach it!
More pics in gallery...
XM IF went above the dead pedal, iPod IF went in the center console. Also installed a blinking LED on the dash behind the light sensor.
Man, that is a nice unit, I would love to install something like that, but I am afraid of my truck getting broken into. :m2:

[MoJoe]

Man, that is a nice unit, I would love to install something like that, but I am afraid of my truck getting broken into. :m2:


I promise I will let you use the HU for a few weeks... Then I will take it :rotfl:

[yak8998]

I really hope they enhance it in future releases. THe nice thing about these is that they are all software and can be upgraded easily via new dvds.
People with the AVH-P5700DVD HU love the ipod interface. I can't imagine that it would be so hard to port that to the d1...

I seem to remember the 'interface' being integrated into the HU itself, not the module. Either of those pieces will accept the ipod controller though. The 5700 is a badass piece, they'll be selling for $700 in a few months, killer deal.

[02EnvoySLE Guy]

Man, that is a nice unit, I would love to install something like that, but I am afraid of my truck getting broken into. :m2:

Isn't the faceplate removable? :undecided

[jimmyjam]

I seem to remember the 'interface' being integrated into the HU itself, not the module. Either of those pieces will accept the ipod controller though. The 5700 is a badass piece, they'll be selling for $700 in a few months, killer deal.Yeah, I think we're saying the same thing, I meant I hope with the next release of the Nav discs they update the D1 to use the iPod controller better. They've stated that there will be an update to fix the XM bug, hopefully they'll add some more functionality with that update. The iPod IF on the 5700 is much much much more intuitive, but that model is more multimedia flash whiz bang -centric than the D1.

[envoy_22]

By any chance maybe someone will know. I installed a Pioneer AVH-P6600DVD yesterday and used the Peripheral GMAH24B. I am pretty sure that I connected everything right. The SERVICE ENGINE SOON light came out but I dont know whether is was the indash connections or the air/fuel ratio guage that I have sitting under the air controls. The wires accidently came off the guage while the ignition was on. I am thinking that the positive and signal wire from the sensor touched each other. Any suggestions before I have to take it to the dealer? :( Thanks everybody for your help

[yak8998]

By any chance maybe someone will know. I installed a Pioneer AVH-P6600DVD yesterday and used the Peripheral GMAH24B. I am pretty sure that I connected everything right. The SERVICE ENGINE SOON light came out but I dont know whether is was the indash connections or the air/fuel ratio guage that I have sitting under the air controls. The wires accidently came off the guage while the ignition was on. I am thinking that the positive and signal wire from the sensor touched each other. Any suggestions before I have to take it to the dealer? :( Thanks everybody for your help

ouch, that sucks. I'd just take it in in case. If its what you thought, they can just reset the codes, it shouldn't be a big hassle. But than again thats nothing for my dealer who is used to having to tear my car apart and replace the bcm and such :rotfl:

jimmy - have you seen the clarion touchscreen interface? on the vxd models? i think thats the only model i'd buy an ipod for. it looks and works so slick

[Jman423]

I promise I will let you use the HU for a few weeks... Then I will take it :rotfl:
This is retaliation for the rims, isn't it? :laugh:

[sallen]

i would guess that it is
shay

[MoJoe]

This is retaliation for the rims, isn't it? :laugh:

:raspberry :laugh:

[Kirby Baker]

Jimmyjam, you gotten your software update yet for this? Below is the updated FAQ at Pioneer's site:

Q: What is the latest available software version for the AVIC-D1?
A: The latest version is AVIC-D1 Application v1.2, and is available to registered customers (please make sure to register your AVIC-D1 here). This update fixes several minor issues, including the 24 hour clock display, "XM Updating" screen, and general XM NavTraffic improvements.

I would assume by that, that there was no improvement to the IPOD interface screen? :(

And if you dont mind, how's my shopping list look. Trying to maintain onstar, door chimes, RAP, onstar antenna (hopefully):

AVIC-D1 H/U
IB-100 Ipod adapter
XM Nav Traffic Tuner
Onstar adapter - GMAH24
Door chime adapter - GMAHCM
Antenna adapter (if I dont have)
Scoshe GM1590B mounting kit
Soundgate REMPIOGM steering wheel controller.

Already have MB quarts for all around, 3 JL 10W6's, PPI PC-2600 and PC-440 amps, MBQ crossovers. Just need some MDF and carpet.

Have I missed anything?

[Kirby Baker]

Well getting info from Pioneer customer support is like pulling teeth out of a wildcat through its ***. But I did gleen this info...

Asked if they had any plans to rewrite the GUI for the IB100 on the AVIC-D1 and they said no, however, there may be a new adapter out in January. So thats it, my big contribution to the rumor mill! :rotfl:

[Kirby Baker]

Jimmyjam, you gotten your software update yet for this? Below is the updated FAQ at Pioneer's site:



I would assume by that, that there was no improvement to the IPOD interface screen? :(

And if you dont mind, how's my shopping list look. Trying to maintain onstar, door chimes, RAP, onstar antenna (hopefully):

AVIC-D1 H/U
IB-100 Ipod adapter
XM Nav Traffic Tuner
Onstar adapter - GMAH24
Door chime adapter - GMAHCM
Antenna adapter (if I dont have)
Scoshe GM1590B mounting kit
Soundgate REMPIOGM steering wheel controller.

Already have MB quarts for all around, 3 JL 10W6's, PPI PC-2600 and PC-440 amps, MBQ crossovers. Just need some MDF and carpet.

Have I missed anything?

Hey jimmyjam, got any input on this (particularly the upgrade from Pio)...I know you have a lot of catching up to do, just trying to find out if the Nav traffic bugs were fixed before I make a decision between Pio and Eclipse.