E-Bay CAI - Stage 1 and Stage 2?

[ParadoxJr]

Just a quick question.

Does Anyone know what the difference is between at Stage 1 and Stage 2 CAI Designs that are being sold???

From what i can see Stage 1 hooks up with the Silencer still attached, and the Stage 2 you have to Remove the Silencer.

I ordered a Stage 1, with a heatshield, I hope it works.. :undecided

Russ

[rt9bil]

Good choice...I don't like the way the engine looks when the silencer is remover.

[MoJoe]

I like my Airiad. IMO it looks cleaner with the silencer on also :m2:

[ParadoxJr]

That was not really my question... Please re-read...

Russ

[MoJoe]

That was not really my question... Please re-read...

Russ


You pretty much answered your own questions with your descriptions. ;) If you are looking for what is the difference. :confused:

[ParadoxJr]

I was just looking for someone to confirm it, I guess..

Russ

[MoJoe]

Ah, got you Russ. I was not sure at first, because you kinda got away from a question post when you ended it with already purchased one. But as far as I know, you covered the only difference. I like the stock looking setup that leaving the silencer on gives you. Get some pics posted when it comes in.

[IceN]

wounldnt the stage 1 be worthless, because what ur lookin for is smooth, cooler air goin into the throttlebody. By keeping the silencer ur introducin turbulence, which means the velocity of the air is not increasing, and by having the silencer ur introducing hotter air into the. Correct me if im wrong.

[Jman423]

wounldnt the stage 1 be worthless, because what ur lookin for is smooth, cooler air goin into the throttlebody. By keeping the silencer ur introducin turbulence, which means the velocity of the air is not increasing, and by having the silencer ur introducing hotter air into the. Correct me if im wrong.
Thats kinda what I have been wondering...

[MoJoe]

The intakes are not going to work like a forced induction system or anything of that nature. They only allow the vehicle to suck more air in. The flow rate difference between the two is probably so minor, it could not be seen by even a dyno :m2:

[02EnvoySLE Guy]

The intakes are not going to work like a forced induction system or anything of that nature. They only allow the vehicle to suck more air in. The flow rate difference between the two is probably so minor, it could not be seen by even a dyno :m2:

Yup.... especially for a $20-30 kit. You get what you pay for in this instance. :)

[ParadoxJr]

Yup.... especially for a $20-30 kit. You get what you pay for in this instance. :)


So is it even worth buying???

Russ

[MoJoe]

So is it even worth buying???

Russ

Yes, they are fine to purchase. You will notice a little better response, and possibly gas mileage. When combined with exhaust and a custom computer tune, you really see a difference.

[02EnvoySLE Guy]

So is it even worth buying???

Russ

Yeah, it's worth it.... I just wouldn't expect quite as much increase as you would see with one of the more expensive kits from Volant, Airraid, K&N, etc. but you will see some increase on the butt dyno if nothing else. :m2:

[ParadoxJr]

CAI Installed.. Looks good, and also has better responce.. I LOVE THE MORE POWER SOUND TOO!!!

Russ

I will post pics soon.

[MoJoe]

I LOVE THE MORE POWER SOUND TOO!!!

Glad you like it. :cool: I hope it works well for you.

[Jman423]

CAI Installed.. Looks good, and also has better responce.. I LOVE THE MORE POWER SOUND TOO!!!

Russ

I will post pics soon.
What did ya get? :confused:

[MoJoe]

What did ya get? :confused:

He got a Cold Air Intake (CAI) :duh:

[Jman423]

He got a Cold Air Intake (CAI) :duh:
Whew... Thank god you cleared that up for me MoJoe.... If it wasn't for that comment, I would have never known what brand CAI he went with... :raspberry :rotfl:

[ParadoxJr]

:laugh: I went with a cheapy off of E-Bay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=7982584852&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT

seems to ok so far.. I may put a K&N filter on it later on...

Russ

[IceN]

I just wouldn't expect quite as much increase as you would see with one of the more expensive kits from Volant, Airraid, K&N, etc. . :m2:

im gona have to disagree with this statement. Why wouldnt it. Thats saying my (literally speaking) **** is better than ur ****, because i sell mine for more. They all do the same thing, and the cheaper intakes do identically what the others do. The only thing they really go cheaper on is the filter itself, thats wat i would replace with a open-filter. And the whole forced induction thing u mentioned is also not totally true. People have done test (not on our vehicles, but with a broad range of vehicles) and show that, when the headlight is out there is a forced induction effect equivalent to 2psi.

[02EnvoySLE Guy]

im gona have to disagree with this statement. Why wouldnt it. Thats saying my (literally speaking) **** is better than ur ****, because i sell mine for more. They all do the same thing, and the cheaper intakes do identically what the others do. The only thing they really go cheaper on is the filter itself, thats wat i would replace with a open-filter.

Yes and no. I still say that the shroud to protect from hot air in the engine compartment does help, and the tubing is in my opinion a bit better constructed than the ebay kits. :m2:

And the whole forced induction thing u mentioned is also not totally true. People have done test (not on our vehicles, but with a broad range of vehicles) and show that, when the headlight is out there is a forced induction effect equivalent to 2psi.

what the...? I never said anything about forced induction pal. :rolleyes:

[nathnn99]

ParadoxJr,

I'm glad that you're happy with your choice also. I have a stage-2 intake and I'm thrilled with it. I love the throttle response, sound, and It gave me 1-1&1/2 MPG more. That's not allot, but I don't baby the truck either. I got a cheapy off of ebay, and I couldn't be happier. I enjoy my $25 dollar model, and hope people with the $250 models love theirs as much as I love mine. Personally, I think you made a wise choice. Good luck with it.

-Nath

[Jman423]

ParadoxJr,

I'm glad that you're happy with your choice also. I have a stage-2 intake and I'm thrilled with it. I love the throttle response, sound, and It gave me 1-1&1/2 MPG more. That's not allot, but I don't baby the truck either. I got a cheapy off of ebay, and I couldn't be happier. I enjoy my $25 dollar model, and hope people with the $250 models love theirs as much as I love mine. Personally, I think you made a wise choice. Good luck with it.

-Nath
See, thats what makes us different than "other" forums.... Someone who doesn't bash others' opinions for being happy with their decision. :)

By the way, Welcome to the site nathnn99!! :cool:

[ParadoxJr]

ParadoxJr,

I'm glad that you're happy with your choice also. I have a stage-2 intake and I'm thrilled with it. I love the throttle response, sound, and It gave me 1-1&1/2 MPG more. That's not allot, but I don't baby the truck either. I got a cheapy off of ebay, and I couldn't be happier. I enjoy my $25 dollar model, and hope people with the $250 models love theirs as much as I love mine. Personally, I think you made a wise choice. Good luck with it.

-Nath


Thanks Man, and Welcome... I really like the intake, the only think that I am worried about is getting water into it... Anyonw had any problems with this??

Russ

[MoJoe]

when the headlight is out there is a forced induction effect equivalent to 2psi.

I agree that having the air forced in will maintain a cooler/denser air charge for the engine. My last vehicle that was turbo'd, I had an intake pressure reading of around -15psi when sitting at idle (the engine is sucking the air in hard) When revving the engine with no turbo, I could get it up to almost
-5psi while driving under WOT (I measured this before the turbo went on). I could see with enough speed/air coming into a large opening and the duct getting progressively smaller before it reaches the TB/Carb etc. speeding the air up, getting up to 2psi without mechanical forced induction is possible. I just would not of thought it could reach that high of pressure. Pretty cool to me.

[MoJoe]

Russ, that kit looks nice, the only thing that makes it different is being a no name like K&N and Airaid to jack the price up :D The eBay kits I have run in the past have lasted the life of me having the vehicle, and still perform for the people that I know personally that bought my vehicles from me. I have owned 5 ebay intakes in all. I use K&N cleaner and oil on them also. Works fine. :)

Oh and the water thing, I have not had that problem with any setup, even off-roading. If it bothers you too much, buy a K&N pre-filter wrap. That is whay my STS turbo had on the filter, and that thing sat under the bed of my truck. I went the entire Winter with no problems. Water will not make it through that unless you are sitting in a lake past the filter. :D

[ParadoxJr]

Russ, that kit looks nice, the only thing that makes it different is being a no name like K&N and Airaid to jack the price up :D The eBay kits I have run in the past have lasted the life of me having the vehicle, and still perform for the people that I know personally that bought my vehicles from me. I have owned 5 ebay intakes in all. I use K&N cleaner and oil on them also. Works fine. :)

Oh and the water thing, I have not had that problem with any setup, even off-roading. If it bothers you too much, buy a K&N pre-filter wrap. That is whay my STS turbo had on the filter, and that thing sat under the bed of my truck. I went the entire Winter with no problems. Water will not make it through that unless you are sitting in a lake past the filter. :D

Thanks MoJoe,

I also posted some pics in my gallery of the intake... Have a look.

Russ

[deathbynosleep]

Thanks Man, and Welcome... I really like the intake, the only think that I am worried about is getting water into it... Anyonw had any problems with this??

Russ

I've never had problems with water.

[Vince]

I think I am going to pick up one of the ebay intakes. Here's the one I'm looking at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38634&item=7985166760&rd=1

It costs a little more than some of the other ones, but it comes with a K&N. I have a couple questions before I order it. Will I have any issues with this voiding my warranty? And, will I need to remove this when I need to get an inspection done?

[blandmiller]

I'm not sure which silencer you all are referring to. :undecided Are we talking about the one over the stock air filter location or the one on top of the intake plenum behind the throttle plate? I have dyno charts and numbers for the Airaid gains as compared to the stock setup.

[MoJoe]

I'm not sure which silencer you all are referring to. :undecided Are we talking about the one over the stock air filter location or the one on top of the intake plenum behind the throttle plate? I have dyno charts and numbers for the Airaid gains as compared to the stock setup.


The one on the top of the plenum.

[ylab]

Vince, I have the CGS intake that you're thinking of buying and the intake itself is very well made with 3 layers of powder coat and it quieted the noise level down very nicely. (I had previously hollowed out the intake box with a K&N filter, using the stock tube.....makes lots of noise!) Anyway, the CGS tube really cut down the obnoxious 'ricer' roar and left a very nice throaty growl.

Word of caution though, I tried to buy my intake off of Chrome Intakes last October and they substituted a totally different intake which didn't fit the same way. (The substituted unit was very shoddy, even though they claimed it was more expensive, and I finally had to have Paypal get involved for a refund). I would double check with them before attempting to order the listed intake to ensure you're getting the one pictured.

As far as Stage 1 or 2 goes, the genuine K&N units are Stage 2 and they claim 1-2 HP over the Stage 1 style Airaid unit, but from what I've read result in considerably more noise.

:m2:
Ray

[Vince]

I finally got the intake yesterday. I just went out and installed it. The fit is OK, but I have one question. There isn't a connection on the tube for the hose on the bottom. What am I supposed to do with this hose? Just leave it hanging there not attached to anything? I don't have time to take pictures right now, maybe tomorrow.

edit: After a little research I found that this is the air injection hose. I looked at the instructions for the K&N intakes, and they have a fitting to hook this hose to. I'm going to contact the people I bought it from and see what they say.

[Jman423]

.....edit: After a little research I found that this is the air injection hose. I looked at the instructions for the K&N intakes, and they have a fitting to hook this hose to. I'm going to contact the people I bought it from and see what they say.
The Volant that I bought also has this tube you are refering to for the 04 and up Trailblazer. For my 03, they give you a cap.