The Big Guns have Arrived... Thank-you FedEx.

[02redhawk]

Giggle...giggle...:cool: :D :drool:


http://www.mcbperformance.com/mike/afr.jpg


Now waiting for Parts II and III of "the package".... :yes:

[Fishhunter911]

ok, tell us what you are doing!!!!! pweeeeeese??!?!?!?!?!?!!

[ENVOY2LOW43]

http://64.91.229.147/usa/images/smilies/eeek.gifhttp://64.91.229.147/usa/images/smilies/eeek.gifhttp://64.91.229.147/usa/images/smilies/eeek.gifhttp://64.91.229.147/usa/images/smilies/drool.gif

[1BADSS]

Oh Lordy..This is gonna be sweet...:drool:

[ltz03]

those are some nice looking twins, mmmmm and i like twins they are a lot a fun. but what are II and III???:crazy:

[GTPprix]

Ok now I'm going to have to stake out your house.. I mean you only live the next sub over ;) heheh

[Fishhunter911]

I do see a MAF sensor sitting off to the right..... whats he cooking over there??? Chris go peepin in his winders....

[Atlas]

I must say, I'm an ickle bit scared by seeing that...:D

[GTPprix]

I do see a MAF sensor sitting off to the right..... whats he cooking over there??? Chris go peepin in his winders....

Mike if you hear some rustling in the bushes.. just ignore it..

[Fishhunter911]

I must say, I'm an ickle bit scared by seeing that...:D


ickle? wut da hell is dat yo hahaha

HAHAHAHAAA DO NOT SHOOT THE CHRIS GUY IN THE BUSHES!!!!!

[Red SS]

I think I have a pretty good guess what stage II and II are, and I think I've just peed a little bit.

Can't wait to see how this turns out :eek:

[GTPprix]

HAHAHAHAAA DO NOT SHOOT THE CHRIS GUY IN THE BUSHES!!!!!

Bang bang, I'm Rick James bitch!

[Fishhunter911]

Bang bang, I'm Rick James bitch!


OMG they killed Kenny!!

I think I have a pretty good guess what stage II and II are, and I think I've just peed a little bit.

Can't wait to see how this turns out :eek:

thay have medicine for that now yanno!! :crazy:

[GTPprix]

OMG they killed Kenny!!

Ok ok enough postwhoring, I like your sexy heads Mike... can I tell that to a guy and not be uhh.. "suspect"? LOL

[Fishhunter911]

Ok ok enough postwhoring, I like your sexy heads Mike... can I tell that to a guy and not be uhh.. "suspect"? LOL

Umm ummm errr well, nm.

Cant wait to see what shows up next Mike.... :drool:

[Atlas]

ickle? wut da hell is dat yo hahaha

HAHAHAHAAA DO NOT SHOOT THE CHRIS GUY IN THE BUSHES!!!!!

Ickle means little in Auz-speak...

[Fishhunter911]

Ickle means little in Auz-speak...


aaahhhh I see I see

[ieatglue]

A couple hunks of metal :undecided J/K! :D

[vetruck]

OK I'm jealous.

[Uncle Punk]

I see, so that's what a set of tires and wheels turns into.

[02redhawk]

LOL to this thread! You guys are great....

I should have clarified - there actually is a Part IV to this....and Chris has a role in it (as I'm sure he knows he and Kirk will be working their magic once again...) - a Vector Motorsports PCM retune. The other pieces to the puzzle really aren't any big secret or mystery - StainlessWorks longtube headers & a fairly mild cam to complement the heads & flowing exhaust. Headers are on order, much like many others have already done, and the cam is still being debated. Goal is to have this daily-driver (kid hauler) to run solid 12's with the stock converter...and my two kids' carseats in the back.

As of this weekend, the cam is spec'ed to be a 212/218 ~.560" (XE lobes) or ~.580" (XE-R lobes) lift, on a 114 LSA. This would give an IVC of 40, EVO of 43, and an overlap of -13.... But the LSA and advance are still subject to change, as I further figure out where this cam will peak at & if I really want to spin the motor that high. Might go to an IVC of 39 / EVO 45, but I'm really starting to split some hairs.

The AFR heads were an easy decision - small 205cc runner size with .200"-.550" flow rivaling most 230+cc ported LS6 heads. This means low-end torque will be much improved over ported LS1/6's, and oh yea, mileage ought to improve a li'l too. Yea, that's it...I bought them for the fuel economy. :crazy:

Chris, you're welcome to come polish my heads whenever you want... :p Heck, feel free to etch a "Vector Motorsports" logo next to the AFR logo, too. And now that you're back in town....HAMLIN PUB!

[GTPprix]

And now that you're back in town....HAMLIN PUB!

All I heard was blah blah blah Mikes truck is gonna whoop mine hardcore blah blah blah blah BEER!! :D

I'm so there! :)

[WHITE408TB]

wow :crazy:

[BLK60SS]

wow :crazy:

^Seriously! Should be fun, lol, 12 second kid hauler. Can't wait to see this completed. Btw, this has got to be the official lunch break thread of the day.:yes:

[Derelict]

Wow, a Beasty T-Blazer.. Gonna be forkin faster!:p
MEEEEEEP MEEEEEEEP! :p

[Z06RT]

Out of curiosity, whats these 2 secounds gonna cost you all total??:)

[headstud]

Are you putting them on at 66CC's or getting greedy and milling them a teeny bit? This sounds like what I had in mind myself. Nice parts! Also, what happens to the tune? Is it a custom deal just for this combo?

[02redhawk]

Are you putting them on at 66CC's or getting greedy and milling them a teeny bit? This sounds like what I had in mind myself. Nice parts! Also, what happens to the tune? Is it a custom deal just for this combo?

The combustion chamber I'm going to leave at 66cc's, possibly a very slight mill to 65.5 cc's to get the DCR where I want it, along with a tighter quench. With the improved AFR heads & a spot-on quench, DCR can be up to ~8.75 and still be fine with 93 pump. The thinnest HG I am comfortable running is a .045" so depending on the DCR calcs (defined by what LSA I end up choosing), the heads may just get a very small wipe to reduce the CC volume. Nothing major, tho'.

Tune will definitely be a custom one; it will need a unique dyno/street tune. Maybe VMS will want to start offering a complete Heads-Cam-Headers-Tune all-in-one uber-combo...? :crazy: :eek:

[headstud]

Tasty!!!:D :D :D

[Fishhunter911]

it does look yummy doesnt it :drool:

[asphalt-hp]

those aluminum beauties look great, cant beat a little head...:p

[02redhawk]

All I heard was .......Mikes truck is gonna whoop mine hardcore....



Somehow I don't think I am going to have the quickest SS in Macomb Twp for very long, though. My spidey sense tells me that sooner or later I will come across Nikki & hear a little 'whirring' underneath that TBSS... :eek:

[Fishhunter911]

:D Somehow I don't think I am going to have the quickest SS in Macomb Twp for very long, though. My spidey sense tells me that sooner or later I will come across Nikki & hear a little 'whirring' underneath that TBSS... :eek:


hahahahaaaa what gives you that idea?????:D :x

[GTPprix]

:D


hahahahaaaa what gives you that idea?????:D :x

Yeah for real you act like I Supercharge or Turbocharge everything I own or something??? wait wait.. nevermind ROFL

[LeonPhelps]

Thats Hot :eek:

[SSportWagon]

Are those two EekoTek heads ?? :undecided :undecided

J/K .... Lookin SWEET !!

Barely 6 Mo's and the BadASS'in begins :hail: :woot:

[ScarabEpic22]

Very nice, I am really interested in this. I dont really want to have to change the TC if I get an SS because I tow, but doing this with a tune might be the way to go for me... Just have to get Chris to fly out to Seattle and do my custom tune and tune the SSs around here I know of (none of which are on the forum besides the guy in Puyallup).

[Trailblazin]

congrats on the purchase! You know ur gonna have to do a before and after dyno just to make us all drool even more!! :drool:

[02redhawk]

Yeah for real you act like I Supercharge or Turbocharge everything I own or something??? wait wait.. nevermind ROFL

EXACTLY! :yes: :yes: :)

[Fishhunter911]

Yeah for real you act like I Supercharge or Turbocharge everything I own or something??? wait wait.. nevermind ROFL


you??? naaah :woot: :ugh: :hahano:

[dntnvme]

Can't wait to see th finish photos of all this work :cool: . You guys are way over my head with the tech talk :undecided , but far as the need for speed, I am right along with yah :woot:

[ALLNTRL]

Can't wait to see the numbers, this is SO going to Kick Ass!!!! :yes:

[SSportWagon]

Any updates ??

[Z06 Tom]

Got a set of those puppies myself...

http://images1.snapfish.com/3476%3A7232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E2333%3D986%3D98%3A%3DXRO QDF%3E23237834684%3A6ot1lsi

http://images1.snapfish.com/3476%3A7232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2333%3D986%3D98%3A%3DXRO QDF%3E2323783469862ot1lsi

http://images1.snapfish.com/3476%3A7232%7Ffp7%3Enu%3D3242%3E895%3E899%3EWSNRCG %3D3232874377797nu0mrj

http://images1.snapfish.com/3476%3A7232%7Ffp58%3Dot%3E2333%3D986%3D98%3A%3DXRO QDF%3E232378346%3B3%3C9ot1lsi

http://images1.snapfish.com/3476%3A7232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E2333%3D986%3D98%3A%3DXRO QDF%3E2323783468887ot1lsi

http://images1.snapfish.com/3476%3A7232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E2333%3D986%3D98%3A%3DXRO QDF%3E23238%3C6796975ot1lsi

They're almost too pretty to cover up with the valve covers. Congrats!!

Here's the stock LS6/LS2 head for comparison...

http://images1.snapfish.com/3476%3A7232%7Ffp58%3Dot%3E2333%3D986%3D98%3A%3DXRO QDF%3E232375%3B956%3A85ot1lsi

http://images1.snapfish.com/3476%3A7232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E2333%3D986%3D98%3A%3DXRO QDF%3E232375%3B958276ot1lsi

http://images1.snapfish.com/3476%3A7232%7Ffp3%3B%3Dot%3E2333%3D986%3D98%3A%3DX ROQDF%3E232375%3B95%3A536ot1lsi

http://images1.snapfish.com/3476%3A7232%7Ffp3%3B%3Dot%3E2333%3D986%3D98%3A%3DX ROQDF%3E232375%3B958282ot1lsi

BTW: You should be able to get some pretty good change from your stock heads. The LS1 guys love 'em. A guy over on Corvette Forum gave me $1,100.00 for mine.

[Envoy Fan]

Got a set of those puppies myself...

http://images1.snapfish.com/3476%3A7232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E2333%3D986%3D98%3A%3DXRO QDF%3E23237834684%3A6ot1lsi

Are you doing a cam also?

[Z06 Tom]

Are you doing a cam also?

Mine are on my Z06. Yeah, it has a cam and a Vortech blower.

[VTODD]

now you guys are just making me downright envious! :) i am gonna burst and have to get a set before next summer lol

both sets look very nice. i really cant wait to see the numbers! hurry up and get em installed!

todd

[02redhawk]

BTW: You should be able to get some pretty good change from your stock heads. The LS1 guys love 'em. A guy over on Corvette Forum gave me $1,100.00 for mine.


Not any more, unfortunately. I bought my 243's for my Firehawk for $750 (complete, w/ springs & valves) and I thought I had gotten a smokin' deal. Now, ~2 years later, NEW bare castings (243s) can be purchased for $385 a PAIR! :cry:

Even complete w/ springs and valves, our used LS2 243s won't fetch much more than $300, methinks.


Update on my "status": SW LT's have arrived. Taking them to get deburred and coated next week. Still haven't chosen a cam....

[headstud]

I'd be interested in them for that kind of money when the time comes. I'm curious to see what a little rubbing would yield on the bench.

[02redhawk]

I'd be interested in them for that kind of money when the time comes. I'm curious to see what a little rubbing would yield on the bench.

Really good gains. On the Hawk, my ported 243s flow 319cfm at .600", 2.02/1.57 valves.


Here's a snap of the SW-LT's. I am very pleased with their construction; my only real disappointment is the transition from the 3" collector to the 2.5" Y-pipe. I would have preferred to see these just have a 2.5" collector, and eliminate that sudden "step" in the tubing diameter. Sudden changes like that don't bode well for exhaust-flow.

http://www.mcbperformance.com/mike/ss_headers.JPG

[JohnnyZ28]

Damn, I am freakin' jealous... lol.

[Z06 Tom]

Not any more....
...Even complete w/ springs and valves, our used LS2 243s won't fetch much more than $300, methinks.

I was wondering about that. I sold mine almost two years ago. They had comp cams springs in 'em. It'll be interesting to see what kind of gains you end up with after all the good stuff is installed.

Hey, that's a good question....

Let's see who comes the closests....

My guess is 75 rwhp / 75 rwtq. What do the rest of ya think?

[SSportWagon]

Let's see who comes the closests....

My guess is 75 rwhp / 75 rwtq. What do the rest of ya think?

...all depends on the cam - are you talking 75/75 with the stocker ??

As for the headers, perhaps the step-down will create a bit of needed backpressure ?? :undecided :confused:

[02redhawk]

I was wondering about that. I sold mine almost two years ago. They had comp cams springs in 'em. It'll be interesting to see what kind of gains you end up with after all the good stuff is installed.

Hey, that's a good question....

Let's see who comes the closests....

My guess is 75 rwhp / 75 rwtq. What do the rest of ya think?

I'm thinking about the same as you - 70rwhp/60rwtq. Maybe if I'm lucky I'll hit the magical ~85rwhp gain (ie, 500ish flywheel HP) with a couple other misc items, such as an U/D pulley etc.

Cam-wise, I still haven't chosen, but it'll be a 212-214 intake and have a 216-218 exhaust on XFI lobes...if I can ever get more info on the new XFIs. I'm onto a couple other side projects that have temporarily diverted my attention from the cam selection.

If this was a ricer forum, I would have claimed 150hp gains merely by having the heads & headers in close proximity to the truck.

[matts]

oooo, those are pretty. since you're not using them i'll give you $500 for them :D

[Supercoolin]

I'm thinking about the same as you - 70rwhp/60rwtq. Maybe if I'm lucky I'll hit the magical ~85rwhp gain (ie, 500ish flywheel HP) with a couple other misc items, such as an U/D pulley etc.

Cam-wise, I still haven't chosen, but it'll be a 212-214 intake and have a 216-218 exhaust on XFI lobes...if I can ever get more info on the new XFIs. I'm onto a couple other side projects that have temporarily diverted my attention from the cam selection.

If this was a ricer forum, I would have claimed 150hp gains merely by having the heads & headers in close proximity to the truck.

I went through many jyrations with 4 different cam companies, I am putting together pretty much the same level of parts that you are and will buy the maggie the day it is available so my cam grind is for the supercharger but will work for someone that is going to tow with their truck.

http://members.cox.net/scfoster/camspecs1.jpg

Intake 224 degrees @ .050" Exhaust 228 degrees @ .050"

http://members.cox.net/scfoster/cam.jpg

http://members.cox.net/scfoster/heads.jpg

I had so many different profiles recommended to me that I was going nuts but finally went with a custom grind that was close to what I thought would work with my application and parts.

[Z06 Tom]

...all depends on the cam - are you talking 75/75 with the stocker ??


Oh no, I was thinking H/C. I don't think you'd see near that with just the heads, even with headers. But with the right bump stick... :D
http://members.cox.net/scfoster/cam.jpg

[blktbz]

do you plan on assembling your motor on your kitchen counter?:confused: ...cant wait to see the end result..

[ScarabEpic22]

Awesome!!

Im new to the whole motor aspect of cars (heck, I only began seriously working on my TB in spring 05), especially for the LSx engines.

Looks like a good set of heads and a cam will net a lot of power for the buck, but how could it affect towing, if at all? Just talking about a head/cam swap, it shouldnt take away from the SSs ability to tow, it should help it though, right?

Mannnnn, I need to get in an 07 SS with about 5K to spend off the bat for all the mods I *need* to do asap!!!:cool:

[02redhawk]

Looks like a good set of heads and a cam will net a lot of power for the buck, but how could it affect towing, if at all? Just talking about a head/cam swap, it shouldnt take away from the SSs ability to tow, it should help it though, right?

Absolutely it'll help. Have a look at Todd's dyno curves. ~20-30 additional ft-lbs of torque on the low-end from tuning and cam/LTs. A good set of heads will add another 15+ ft-lbs on the low-end, and ~20-25 ft-lbs midrange...provided that the runner volume isn't huge. This is the MAIN reason I went with AFR heads - basically they have the smallest runner volume available for the LSx, and flow insanely well (still hit 300cfm). :yes: Comparatively, my ported-243 heads on my Firehawk flow 319cfm (IIRC), but they have a port-size about 30cc's *larger* than the AFRs. Flow vs. volume comparison, the AFRs *crush* my ported 243s in terms of efficiency.

[ScarabEpic22]

Absolutely it'll help. Have a look at Todd's dyno curves. ~20-30 additional ft-lbs of torque on the low-end from tuning and cam/LTs. A good set of heads will add another 15+ ft-lbs on the low-end, and ~20-25 ft-lbs midrange...provided that the runner volume isn't huge. This is the MAIN reason I went with AFR heads - basically they have the smallest runner volume available for the LSx, and flow insanely well (still hit 300cfm). :yes: Comparatively, my ported-243 heads on my Firehawk flow 319cfm (IIRC), but they have a port-size about 30cc's *larger* than the AFRs. Flow vs. volume comparison, the AFRs *crush* my ported 243s in terms of efficiency.
Thanks, you just helped me out a little understanding this aspect of LSx engines.:) And, since these mods keep all the low end and add to it throughout, even better!:yes:

[skinnies]

02redhawk, your very knowledgeable and completely understand how to MATCH parts. I'm betting you'll get good #'s, and above average #'s since your doing it right. I'm sure down the road I'll do a heads/cam setup, but will stick with the 243's and have them ported by LLoyd Elliot(www.eportworks.com) and let Bret Bauer spec out a nice custom sleeper cam since I'll be on a budget. :crazy: For now I'll enjoy similiar gains to what your getting for less....via the bottle. :)

[02redhawk]

02redhawk, your very knowledgeable and completely understand how to MATCH parts. I'm betting you'll get good #'s, and above average #'s since your doing it right. I'm sure down the road I'll do a heads/cam setup, but will stick with the 243's and have them ported by LLoyd Elliot(www.eportworks.com (http://www.eportworks.com)) and let Bret Bauer spec out a nice custom sleeper cam since I'll be on a budget. :crazy: For now I'll enjoy similiar gains to what your getting for less....via the bottle. :)

That's one of my problems, though - I tend to over-engineer everything I do; whether it be analysis, testing, research, etc... Hell, I've been spec'ing out the "right" cam for the last, oh, ~4 months. LOL! Thank goodness I'm not on a set time-schedule for this project.

Good luck with yours as well!

[skinnies]

That's one of my problems, though - I tend to over-engineer everything I do; whether it be analysis, testing, research, etc... Hell, I've been spec'ing out the "right" cam for the last, oh, ~4 months. LOL! Thank goodness I'm not on a set time-schedule for this project.

Good luck with yours as well!

Better to do it the way you are than to just buy a bunch of mismatched parts and throw them together. :crazy:

[ScarabEpic22]

Better to do it the way you are than to just buy a bunch of mismatched parts and throw them together. :crazy:
That much I do know.

I spend so much time researching and learning about anything and everything I do whether it be in life on my TB. Time consuming, but worth it in the end.

[ALLNTRL]

Any updates? Dyno Numbers?

[VTODD]

Any updates? Dyno Numbers?

I do not believe that he has installed these heads yet. I think he just recently decided on the cam he was going to stuff in to compliment the heads.

Todd

[02redhawk]

I do not believe that he has installed these heads yet. I think he just recently decided on the cam he was going to stuff in to compliment the heads.

Todd


Correct. Part II - Cam is "on the grinder", Part-III headers are due back from the coater later this week, Part-IV is secret & will be back in 2-3 more weeks, and Part-V the final PCM tuning will of course be done once everything else is installed.... Even though everything ought to be in within the next 3 weeks, its likely I'll hold-off for a while for the installations....but, all subject to change (esp if I get the 'itch' for more power sooner rather than later...).

[MyGoatBites]

Correct. Part II - Cam is "on the grinder", Part-III headers are due back from the coater later this week, Part-IV is secret & will be back in 2-3 more weeks, and Part-V the final PCM tuning will of course be done once everything else is installed.... Even though everything ought to be in within the next 3 weeks, its likely I'll hold-off for a while for the installations....but, all subject to change (esp if I get the 'itch' for more power sooner rather than later...).

Man, you are such a dirty tease. :)

[JohnnyZ28]

Collecting parts and not installing them? Geeeez.

[vetruck]

Collecting parts and not installing them? Geeeez.

What would be the point of installing them one at a time? You would have to tear the thing apart multiple times, tune it multiple times, and the rest of the system wouldn't be up to par with the new parts so it would be running funky.

[02redhawk]

Collecting parts and not installing them? Geeeez.

Sorry, I don't like to do things piecemealed, pay for multiple dynotunes, have the truck "down" for 3x (or more) for long installs (as I do all installs by myself, in my garage), and do things half-arsed. I like to do it right the first-time, and I am extremely patient. If that means I have to wait a year so I can have everything the way I want it, then so be it. :)

I went down that road in the past, and I ended up paying waay, waay more in the end for the multiple times I had to purchase gaskets, bolts, PCM tunes, etc., for the various new-part installs than if I had just done it all at once.

[ltz03]

thats the way i look at it take you time and do it right the first time no need to screw thing up on you nice truck. take as long as you need to do it, but hurry up we need to see some #'s on that stuff j/k

[VTODD]

Maybe those heads will be sitting on my counter sometime soon......:yes: :eek:

Todd

[02redhawk]

Maybe those heads will be sitting on my counter sometime soon......:yes: :eek:

Todd


Todd; sent you an email back. You *need* the heads & the other item. :D

BTW, for the others.... I'm opting out of the heads-cam installation on the TB-SS....hopefully its only temporary, though. In the meantime, its getting a MAGGIE. :yes:

[VTODD]

Todd; sent you an email back. You *need* the heads & the other item. :D

BTW, for the others.... I'm opting out of the heads-cam installation on the TB-SS....hopefully its only temporary, though. In the meantime, its getting a MAGGIE. :yes:

Mike,
Email replied to.

I do think I *need* these. Read my email and give me a few hours :) :woot:

[dmac]

Maggie?

[blktbz]

Maggie?
magnacharger i belive.....

[1BADSS]

magnacharger i belive.....

You're right. He got the Magnacharger from Vector.

[VTODD]

and I am getting his AFR heads and something else special :)

[bbradyc5]

and I am getting his AFR heads and something else special :)

ok, i'll bite.... I know Mike is doing experiments in his basement!

[02redhawk]

ok, i'll bite.... I know Mike is doing experiments in his basement!


...and that's as much as either myself or Todd will say...! ;)

[VTODD]

...and that's as much as either myself or Todd will say...! ;)

;) :cool: , and with that said, i will say thank you red!

todd

[Stangkilr]

Nice heads but not worth the money IMO.

[WILWAXU]

Nice stuff, the LSx market has been flooded with a bunch of new heads. Should be interesting to see how they work out.

What cam you going with?

[VTODD]

ok, i can't stop looking at the picture of the heads. they should be on my counter this week, damnit! swap to start thursday night hopefully! i think i will end up ditching the k and n induction for one of chris's CAI so it looks more stock. now, how do i mask the heads and mute the lope in my exhaust a little better......:undecided maybe dual exhaust with a x-pipe :D

todd

[Gnfanatic]

o2redhawk, How much were the heads?> what are you doing with rockers and intake ports on the intake?>?

thanks!
Ralph